Sunday Morning Thoughts-Hello Darkness My Old Friend

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

This would not have been a problem if we would've had an actual AD the previous 5 years. We had a baseball coach. He did not know what to do and instead of being the IB we knew and loved as the baseball coach he became Diplomat Donny and tried to be nice to everyone. He started listening to people that only wanted to advance their agendas and careers and started taking booster input from guys that had been told by Mullen, Byrne, and Strick to cut the checks and shut the 17 up. You give guys like that power again, and they are going to manipulate the hell out of it....which they did.

You're right that it's not a coincidence that Turner and Bumphis have been here with multiple staffs. We overinflate players and former coaches like no other program in the country. Now with Bumphis I will at least say that he's pulled his own weight in terms of recruiting. Turner is living off the fact that he coached Chris Jones(did not recruit him. That was Mullen and Hev) and he helped recruit Jeff (Hughes did the heavy lifting on that one). But we had a bunch of people tell Lebby and Co. that they JUST HAD to have both Turner and Bumphis because of how great recruiters they were. Again, boosters who have no clue what the hell they are talking about trying to peddle influence because they cut a check.

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Bumphis is probably our best recruiter. No need to lump him in with Turner

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

Bumphis is probably our best recruiter. No need to lump him in with Turner

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He gets lumped in because of boosters wanting him on staff. As I said, he pulls his own weight in recruiting. TBD on his position coaching prowess. Still too early to tell. I don't know how much credit I give him for Coleman. He was pretty complete when he got here.

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

Bumphis is probably our best recruiter. No need to lump him in with Turner

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We currently have two good WRs playing. One is going pro and one probably transferring. One of our top WR recruits looks to be moving to defense. I don't think Bump is doing poorly, but he needs to do better. We just settled on a kid who isn't going to help us because we lost a good recruit. This staff has us in the top 30 in recruiting right now, which is basically close to average for us the last decade I guess.

Michigan announced they are committing $50MM per year to building a football team. We cant keep up and everybody knows it. Trying to pretend that we can is wasted time

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Michigan announced they are committing $50MM per year to building a football team. We cant keep up and everybody knows it. Trying to pretend that we can is wasted time

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They are more than welcome to commit all the money they want. They still have to evaluate and coach. And right now they have a crappy HC, a crappy OC, and an old DC. That's the thing about this stuff, look at how much FSU spent and they are going to go 2-10. You HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They are more than welcome to commit all the money they want. They still have to evaluate and coach. And right now they have a crappy HC, a crappy OC, and an old DC. That's the thing about this stuff, look at how much FSU spent and they are going to go 2-10. You HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE.

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And you still have to develop that talent.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We have more boosters willing to support baseball and love it for one reason- its the only sport we were ever really good at.

You are talking about a school that sold their home game to LSU to them and Baton Rouge about 40 times. A school that was the last SEC team to get a wood floor in basketball and their HC basically recruited by phone in 1985. A school unfortunately has to consider Larry Templeton one of their top AD's in history.

Yeah- they choose that because its our best chance to compete for a title

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They chose it because they are losers that don’t want to put forth the effort that Ole Miss has in the sport that matters. Baseball national championship games get the same ratings as 3 am infomercials. No one gives a sh*t about that sport and we are losers for going all in on it while the football program rots.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No the biggest thing that holds MSU football back is mind numbingly STUPID ideas like "shutting down the baseball program so fans will have to focus on football."

This is the EXACT SAME SHIT that ruined our football program. "Let's get rid of Leach." "Let's hire Arnett." All were fan ideas that came to fruition and how did ANY of them work out? NONE OF THEM HAVE!

You complain about football facilities- well Cohen has been gone for over TWO years! Why hasn't Selmon fixed any of it? He has had 22 months to put some lights in. This isn't a new problem.

Here's the thing about baseball. Do you ever see baseball hiring a first year hitting coach to be the head coach? OK we did it with Cann and how did it work? Do you ever see baseball going all in on JUCO players and then have people try to sell it off as depth? NO! Do you ever see baseball just promoting the pitching coach to try to maintain continuity only to have him fire the hitting coach and lie to players about what we are going to do? Again- NO! Do you see baseball trying to keep a failed assistant because of reasons that make no logical sense like we are rumored to be doing with Hutzler? NO!

And don't sell me this bullshit that these same boosters who are apparently batting a thousand in baseball moves are all of a sudden clueless idiots on every single football move "because they care about baseball more." Well apparently they DO care about football because they're overinvolved in that sport.

So my humble advice as someone who has been AGAINST literally every stupid ass football move which I have been correct about being a stupid move so far is to:

1. Stop trying to drag the baseball program into the football programs failures. It's petty and it's ****ing stupid. COHEN ISN'T HERE ANYMORE!

2. LOOK at what makes baseball successful. And then actually try to imitate it. Baseball didn't tell MSU to hire inexperienced coaches. Baseball didn't tell football to recruit a bunch of JUCOs. Baseball isn't telling football to keep Hutzler.

3. You want to look stupid? Try shutting down baseball right as there are talks about MLB contracting minor league baseball and right at a time when college baseball is one of the fastest growing sports in the country DUMBASS!!!!!!! Doing shit like shutting down the baseball program is why people laugh at us and it's dumbasses like you who come up with this shit!!!!

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No, we suck because we have limited resources and choose to use them on your dumb@ss sport of choice. Spending 70 million dollars on a baseball stadium was an all time dumb@ss move by our baseball coach AD and our dumb@as boosters who are too chickensh*t to commit that type of resource to the sport that matters. We do not have the resources to commit 70 million to a baseball stadium, have a top half NIL budget for baseball in the conference, and compete in football. You not knowing that isn’t my fault. You live in a dream world if you think we do. Just because dread head told you we do doesn’t make it so.

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Originally Posted by State82

No idea. It is complete ignorance. Look at UM.

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Complete ignorance is not knowing that Ole Miss threw baseball in the trash so they can compete in the sport that matters. You people live in fantasy land. No, the school with the smallest budget in the SEC can’t spend what we do on baseball and compete in football. You can keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better but it’s not true.

One of the biggest obstacles that Miss State has to overcome is not whether or not we should be promoting football or basketball or baseball, it’s more the fact that many students who attend State do not prioritize sports the way other SEC programs do because they are so into outdoor activities like hunting, fishing etc. This is a main part of the reason we do not have the same support as the majority of the other SEC schools. While a lot of that has to do with the type of programs State has to offer, I think it also goes back to our general lack of success overall in football and basketball. Not saying people on here or all state fans are like that, but there is no doubt we are one of the few SEC schools who put other interests above sports.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

No, we suck because we have limited resources and choose to use them on your dumb@ss sport of choice. Spending 70 million dollars on a baseball stadium was an all time dumb@ss move by our baseball coach AD and our dumb@as boosters who are too chickensh*t to commit that type of resource to the sport that matters. We do not have the resources to commit 70 million to a baseball stadium, have a top half NIL budget for baseball in the conference, and compete in football. You not knowing that isn’t my fault. You live in a dream world if you think we do. Just because dread head told you we do doesn’t make it so.

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Yea truth be told if we took half our baseball NIL and gave it to football, we'd be able to get the amount of talent and bodies we need to be competitive and get things rolling NEXT YEAR. But look, when the super conference comes and we're left out in the dark everyone will finally figure it out. FOOTBALL PAYS FOR EVERYTHING. Men's basketball makes a decent profit. Baseball will fluctuate between a miniscule gain, net zero, and a loss most years. The other sports, bloodbaths in the loss column. But football pays for everything on that campus and is treated like a red headed step child. No LED lights, sound system sucks, concourse is old, etc. We have all stated the problems ad nauseam.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

One of the biggest obstacles that Miss State has to overcome is not whether or not we should be promoting football or basketball or baseball, it’s more the fact that many students who attend State do not prioritize sports the way other SEC programs do because they are so into outdoor activities like hunting, fishing etc. This is a main part of the reason we do not have the same support as the majority of the other SEC schools. While a lot of that has to do with the type of programs State has to offer, I think it also goes back to our general lack of success overall in football and basketball. Not saying people on here or all state fans are like that, but there is no doubt we are one of the few SEC schools who put other interests above sports.

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Then start going to get OOS students that prioritize sports.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Complete ignorance is not knowing that Ole Miss threw baseball in the trash so they can compete in the sport that matters. You people live in fantasy land. No, the school with the smallest budget in the SEC can’t spend what we do on baseball and compete in football. You can keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better but it’s not true.

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Not to mention the whole sport is a snooze fest and nobody even pays attention to MLB anymore.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I do not for the life of me understand why MSU fans think you have to break something good to fix something else.

We can be good in both baseball and football. It has happened before. We went to Omaha AND won the SEC West in football in 1998. And more recently we went to NC Finals in Omaha in 2013 and then Dak took over and football had 2014.

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We can catch lightning in a bottle twice every 30 years in football while baseball goes on outstanding runs for long periods of time. We could do the opposite if we focused on the sport that matters but we have morons that are ok with having 2 big times seasons in 30 years of football so they can enjoy feeding opposing teams hot dogs in their under priced lounge spot.

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Originally Posted by RockyDog

Not to mention the whole sport is a snooze fest and nobody even pays attention to MLB anymore.

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Half the people don't pay attention at our games. I'd wager that 65% of The Left Field Lounge doesn't know the score, count, or who's batting at a given time.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Yea truth be told if we took half our baseball NIL and gave it to football, we'd be able to get the amount of talent and bodies we need to be competitive and get things rolling NEXT YEAR. But look, when the super conference comes and we're left out in the dark everyone will finally figure it out. FOOTBALL PAYS FOR EVERYTHING. Men's basketball makes a decent profit. Baseball will fluctuate between a miniscule gain, net zero, and a loss most years. The other sports, bloodbaths in the loss column. But football pays for everything on that campus and is treated like a red headed step child. No LED lights, sound system sucks, concourse is old, etc. We have all stated the problems ad nauseam.

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If we don’t get football right they are going to get to play home conference games in that palace against USM and Arkansas State.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Then start going to get OOS students that prioritize sports.

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The issue is that there really isn’t much of a solution. It is hard to recruit out of state students to State. I honestly don’t know the solution, but it’s just a fact that our fanbase and students prioritize other interests over sports compared to most other SEC fanbases. One of the biggest shocking things for me coming from PA to Miss State was the number of kids who went home on the weekends. The whole campus cleared out and it was something that completely shocked me. That does not happen at Bama, LSU, Tenn etc. I came to find out it was mostly because of the hunting and the type of student that state had. Again, not saying all state fans and students are like this, just more so than other sec schools

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

The issue is that there really isn’t much of a solution. It is hard to recruit out of state students to State. I honestly don’t know the solution, but it’s just a fact that our fanbase and students prioritize other interests over sports compared to most other SEC fanbases. One of the biggest shocking things for me coming from PA to Miss State was the number of kids who went home on the weekends. The whole campus cleared out and it was something that completely shocked me. That does not happen at Bama, LSU, Tenn etc. I came to find out it was mostly because of the hunting and the type of student that state had. Again, not saying all state fans and students are like this, just more so than other sec schools

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We need a significant upgrade in nightlife in Starkville. The cotton district has potential but everything there is as big as a shoe box. The new “Landing” coming up there needs to be a big hit.

Spending the most money does not ensure success. In football or anything else.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

No, we suck because we have limited resources and choose to use them on your dumb@ss sport of choice. Spending 70 million dollars on a baseball stadium was an all time dumb@ss move by our baseball coach AD and our dumb@as boosters who are too chickensh*t to commit that type of resource to the sport that matters. We do not have the resources to commit 70 million to a baseball stadium, have a top half NIL budget for baseball in the conference, and compete in football. You not knowing that isn’t my fault. You live in a dream world if you think we do. Just because dread head told you we do doesn’t make it so.

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We burned up a lot of booster capital for that stadium. They had to bring a retired fund raiser back to get the money to pay for the stadium.