A meeting of the elders - NIL

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09-09-2024, 04:47 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

$10 million would buy you a playoff berth out of all likelihood. From what I've heard, again take it fwiw, but our NIL for football is around 8 mil. OM is between 10-12, Bama and Georgia are in the high teens, and LSU is between 12-15. Everyone else is around us so getting the right players at our current level would help us.

Here is my problem - lets say you are right and our NIL is 8 and the bears is 10. We might win 4 games this year. They might win 9-10 games.

The ratio isn't working. If we are at 8, then our team should be close to the bears instead of a 20+ underdog to them.

That is my biggest problem. ITs not a situation where we don't have the funds, its how we are spending it. I mean, its like FSU and DJ, word is that he is getting close to a million dollars from FSU. How much are we paying Shapen and the OL? I've been told it is significant.

Who are we paying on defense other than the few already listed?
09-09-2024, 04:58 PM
Goldendawg

If we are paying even $8 million in NIL on this lack of talent FB team (results to date), someone couldn't evaluate. Leach and Arnett left the DL cupboard bare and all we could bring in were Purdue & NC St players who didn't even start or get much PT there? Nom wonder we gave up 8 plus ypc last Saturday!
09-09-2024, 05:04 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

If we are paying even $8 million in NIL on this lack of talent FB team (results to date), someone couldn't evaluate. Leach and Arnett left the DL cupboard bare and all we could bring in were Purdue & NC St players who didn't even start or get much PT there? Nom wonder we gave up 8 plus ypc last Saturday!

I did not say we were paying 8 mil. I said that is what the fund is rumored to be at. You need strong NIL but you also need players that want to play for you.
09-09-2024, 05:20 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I did not say we were paying 8 mil. I said that is what the fund is rumored to be at. You need strong NIL but you also need players that want to play for you.

That type player is a dinosaur in the Portal/NIL world. It is what it is, but I have noticed more discipline issues on and off the field with a focus on "Me" and not "Team" since they have officially become paid players. I even witnessed a heated argument between a player and a coach, (Tahoe) and player, (Charger) over his NIL at Starkville Sprintmart last FB season. I think we have a new FB HC that can handle building a team in this setting. Time will tell.
09-09-2024, 05:28 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Here is my problem - lets say you are right and our NIL is 8 and the bears is 10. We might win 4 games this year. They might win 9-10 games.

The ratio isn't working. If we are at 8, then our team should be close to the bears instead of a 20+ underdog to them.

That is my biggest problem. ITs not a situation where we don't have the funds, its how we are spending it. I mean, its like FSU and DJ, word is that he is getting close to a million dollars from FSU. How much are we paying Shapen and the OL? I've been told it is significant.

Who are we paying on defense other than the few already listed?

NIL is only one piece. The coaches have to do their part too. The evaluation of players in the portal is underrated thing that Kiffin is good at.
09-09-2024, 05:37 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

NIL is only one piece. The coaches have to do their part too. The evaluation of players in the portal is underrated thing that Kiffin is good at.

100% - let's get the money in place but the coaches have to do their job to evaluate the portal and recruit to a vision.
09-09-2024, 05:44 PM
Brobi-wan

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

NIL is only one piece. The coaches have to do their part too. The evaluation of players in the portal is underrated thing that Kiffin is good at.

I think we have the right HC. We only won 5 in Dan?s first year, but we could see the improvement. If the same thing happens here, I think most of us will be happy. We just need to get the base to contribute. How do we do that? Do we host something? The question is how to organize it for the masses/bring awareness.
09-09-2024, 05:52 PM
LC Dawg

In the last couple of years I've had a little extra monthly income that I considered giving to the BI but decided to give it to our local animal shelter because of my distaste for NIL. After more consideration I recently decided to also give a minimal amount to the BI because I do enjoy when we are successful at athletics and figured I could be a very very small part. However, if something is not done in the next few years I will probably look somewhere else to spend my entertainment $$ because the current system is not sustainable.
09-09-2024, 06:36 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Here is my problem - lets say you are right and our NIL is 8 and the bears is 10. We might win 4 games this year. They might win 9-10 games.

The ratio isn't working. If we are at 8, then our team should be close to the bears instead of a 20+ underdog to them.

That is my biggest problem. ITs not a situation where we don't have the funds, its how we are spending it. I mean, its like FSU and DJ, word is that he is getting close to a million dollars from FSU. How much are we paying Shapen and the OL? I've been told it is significant.

Who are we paying on defense other than the few already listed?

We are in new territory. Whoever posted the 2020 Kiffin record is dead on, that is where we are right now. Leach didn?t play the NIL game effectively and Arnett would?ve lost 8 games with a 15M budget he was that bad. I truly believe we have the right coach in Lebby now to do real damage if the NIL supports him to build the roster.
09-09-2024, 08:13 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Here is my problem - lets say you are right and our NIL is 8 and the bears is 10. We might win 4 games this year. They might win 9-10 games.

The ratio isn't working. If we are at 8, then our team should be close to the bears instead of a 20+ underdog to them.

That is my biggest problem. ITs not a situation where we don't have the funds, its how we are spending it. I mean, its like FSU and DJ, word is that he is getting close to a million dollars from FSU. How much are we paying Shapen and the OL? I've been told it is significant.

Who are we paying on defense other than the few already listed?

We just had a couple HCs who destroyed our recruiting and left nothing here. They've been building their program and winning games. You won't suddenly catch up. You can't spend that much or get that kind of talent at one time.
09-09-2024, 10:20 PM
memsu06

At all the concession sales at any sporting event to raise NIL money they should ask if you want to round up your purchase to the nearest dollar for the NIL. Say we have 40K fans at just one football game and 1/2 of them round up say average of 50 cents. That would be $10K per football game going to the NIL. It would add up with all the other sporting events going on.
09-10-2024, 01:04 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I think we have the right HC. We only won 5 in Dan?s first year, but we could see the improvement. If the same thing happens here, I think most of us will be happy. We just need to get the base to contribute. How do we do that? Do we host something? The question is how to organize it for the masses/bring awareness.

If what is being said is correct as far as NIL it seems like we are on the right path there. Not there yet- but we need to stay on course and continue to encourage people to give. The thing about NIL is our fans as individuals don't have to give a ton to have an impact. And the other thing is just because we give and the team doesn't perform- that isn't our boosters fault even if they are giving a small amount because they are doing their part. I say that because I have seen some "Well if I give and we lose it's my fault." other places. Which is kind of crazy.

I think what we need to do at this point is:

1. Continue to build our NIL. If it is true that we didn't spend it all then we should have more to spend this offseason. Also, saving isn't always the worst thing. It may come back to help us down the road in say 2027 if it looks like we have a real chance at a playoff bid and we need an elite player or two to get us over the top.

2. At the end of the season MSU just needs to evaluate where the team is. Offensively- we look better to me and pretty good so far outside of the first half of Arizona State. Are we the 1989 49ers? No. Not yet. There are a couple of holes but it is year one. Special teams has looked solid overall outside of a couple of shanked kicks which is something to watch going forward but that unit has been maybe the best so far. Defense- that to me is the main issue. It looks like we have some promising young guys to build around like Jones, Issac Smith, Dinkins, and DonTerry. Now we definitely need more. If they were asking my opinion I would probably tell them to go out and find an up and comer or go hire someone like Nate Woody from Army or Shiel Wood from Houston and spend on defense, QB, and RB this offseason. We get an elite DC he may bring a few guys with him from the portal. If we're having issues recruiting running backs- go hire Derrick Nix from Auburn. Lebby has some connections to him.

3. Update Davis Wade as planned. LED lights and etc.

Even if this turns out to be a 3-9 season we need to keep the perspective that this is just year one. We're simply trying to get our footing and establish the program here. If we do go 3-9 it's going to likely be because our defense couldn't legitimately stop that 96 year old dude that ran through our alumni defense in Jackie's first spring game right now. Defense to me is an easier fix than offense.
09-10-2024, 01:15 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We just had a couple HCs who destroyed our recruiting and left nothing here. They've been building their program and winning games. You won't suddenly catch up. You can't spend that much or get that kind of talent at one time.

A couple? MSU hasn't had a coach that has focused on recruiting like we should since JACKIE. We have/had the lowest recruiting budget in the SEC when Dan was here. Did he do anything about it? Nope. You can't tell me that he can get people to build him an entire football complex but increasing the recruiting budget was out of the question.

Croom was bad but we were on probation for recruiting so of course he was going to scale it back big time. He did get somewhat better although I think saying he was good would be a stretch.

Moorhead could recruit but he couldn't evaluate talent.

Leach didn't care about it but he was as good or better at recruiting than Dan was. And at least with him we knew that whatever we did he was going to coach it up.

Arnett was in over his head and his lying burned him and us.

The REAL issue is MSU's athletic administration has for the past 20 years or so tried to focus on finding some coaching genius to "coach up" a bunch of 3 stars from places like Possum Neck, MS. Actually had a lot of success doing it- Dan had a 10 win season and Leach had a 9 win season, and even Moorhead got us to two bowls and Croom got us to the Liberty Bowl in 2007 which was the goal for MSU at that time. The problem is doing that is it limited our ceiling because the truth is a coaching genius can only coach up players so much against a team like Alabama or Georgia because the talent on those teams will offset any coaching brilliance.
09-10-2024, 01:29 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by memsu06

At all the concession sales at any sporting event to raise NIL money they should ask if you want to round up your purchase to the nearest dollar for the NIL. Say we have 40K fans at just one football game and 1/2 of them round up say average of 50 cents. That would be $10K per football game going to the NIL. It would add up with all the other sporting events going on.

I think that's a good idea.

It seems like a lot of our fans want access if they donate. In other words- "If I donate I want something in return or see where my investment is going". I think that's fair to a point.

But with that being the case I think they could have several dinners throughout the state- make it nice like a steak dinner or something not catered pulled pork- in places like Jackson, Memphis/DeSoto County, MS Gulf Coast, Tupelo, Meridian, somewhere in the Delta like Greenville or Greenwood, etc. where people pay like 100 dollars per person and all that goes to NIL and then Lebby, some players, some coaches, and maybe some recruiting coordinators basically have a round table where they share stories with the fans and maybe answer questions. With the recruiting thing- I know there are rules and you toe the line there even in this NIL era. Charlie could talk to about the BI as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFaHXsjlumw

Something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlzmpMOB-Mw

Or this.
09-10-2024, 06:53 AM
somebodyshotmypaw

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Originally Posted by Bert Stare

I love MSU football, but I will never give a dime to NIL. Every extra cent I earn goes to help out either people waiting for organ transplants or people traveling to become living donors. Many of you give to similar situations with St Jude or just your neighbor who needs medical bill help. We have collectively lost our way for humanity when you are shaming others into giving money to a teenage athlete so he can get the more premium package on his dodge hellcat.

I don't give a damn if we go 2-10 every year. I ain't ever giving to NIL. biggest scam with the absolute least in return you can find.

Help people who actually need it.

These are my thoughts also. Very well said. I can give to some stupid teenager who will buy some iPods and a PlayStation with the money. Or I can help someone beat cancer, beat drug addiction, buy clothes after their house burned, or escape a domestic violence situation. Easy decision really.
09-10-2024, 07:19 AM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

These are my thoughts also. Very well said. I can give to some stupid teenager who will buy some iPods and a PlayStation with the money. Or I can help someone beat cancer, beat drug addiction, buy clothes after their house burned, or escape a domestic violence situation. Easy decision really.

I honestly don't understand, when did it become an all or nothing sceniaro? I tithe to my church and give monthly to Compassion International but I also give a little to the NIL and heck I even pay for Netflix, Amazon Prime and play golf most months.
09-10-2024, 07:35 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

These are my thoughts also. Very well said. I can give to some stupid teenager who will buy some iPods and a PlayStation with the money. Or I can help someone beat cancer, beat drug addiction, buy clothes after their house burned, or escape a domestic violence situation. Easy decision really.

Typical bullshit from our fans. We must have the poorest of the damn poor in this base. Can't afford $20 a month or even $10 a month.
09-10-2024, 07:51 AM
Bert Stare

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Typical bullshit from our fans. We must have the poorest of the damn poor in this base. Can't afford $20 a month or even $10 a month.

It's not that we can't afford it, it's the principle of making the fans pay for it in the first place. Some of us can smell a scam a mile away. You don't even know how the money is spent. This is even less transparent than giving to a political campaign. I would send Jimmy effing Swaggart $20 before I sent it to some teenage athlete to use on GTA 6 or weed.

We're not poor, but also definitely not naive.
09-10-2024, 07:58 AM
SilentSteel16

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Typical bullshit from our fans. We must have the poorest of the damn poor in this base. Can't afford $20 a month or even $10 a month.

My guy you are so off base it is hilarious. I have plenty of extra cash I can throw to NIL. I just choose not to let a bunch of 18 year old kids wreck my weekend if we lose. I start putting money directly in their pocket then I stand that to change. I love when we win, but I don’t go in some deep dark hole when we lose. The federal government also thinks we should keep pouring money into a hole and it will fix it.

College football or athletics doesn’t mean that much to me as it clearly does to some of you. It is your money do with it what you will, but saying we are poor because we CHOOSE not to give to these kids is downright inflammatory and hopefully not a true thought in your head. Because your perception of reality is obviously off
09-10-2024, 08:01 AM
SilentSteel16

If we go 3-9 or 10-2 it will not affect my bottom line dollar unless they make season tickets go up ….. harsh reality to where most people not from Louisiana stand with the current state of college athletics.

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