He knows it

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Ultimately yes.

But Parker made the decision to stay with Holcombe. Parker is the guy who spends all the practice time with them. Not Lemon. I guarantee you Parker wasn’t in the dugout going “get him out of there” and Lemon insisted we roll him out another inning

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I don’t think that many folks understand that it’s a “coaching staff” and how that actually works. Not many of the decisions are made in a silo.

That has been used as an excuse for Lemonis for too long. He is either responsible for the decisions the staff makes, or he is not and should be fired for being meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Ultimately yes.

But Parker made the decision to stay with Holcombe. Parker is the guy who spends all the practice time with them. Not Lemon. I guarantee you Parker wasn’t in the dugout going “get him out of there” and Lemon insisted we roll him out another inning

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Still on Lemonis. He makes the final decision. That's why you'd better have pretty good assistants.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I don?t think that many folks understand that it?s a ?coaching staff? and how that actually works. Not many of the decisions are made in a silo.

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Yeah, I think most do. It all falls back on the head guy though, and HE is the one held ultimately responsible, so he'd better have some good assistants. However, HE has to sometimes have the balls to tell an assistant I'm running the show and this is or isn't happening because my ass is on the line. Yeah, we know how coaching decisions work there big guy. Damn, some of y'all on here.

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

Still on Lemonis. He makes the final decision. That's why you'd better have pretty good assistants.

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aGAIN- ultimately yes

And his fate on those decisions will be decided this Spring

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

Yeah, I think most do. It all falls back on the head guy though, and HE is the one held ultimately responsible, so he'd better have some good assistants. However, HE has to sometimes have the balls to tell an assistant I'm running the show and this is or isn't happening because my ass is on the line. Yeah, we know how coaching decisions work there big guy. Damn, some of y'all on here.

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This is how you say I don’t really understand but by god I’m going to stand by point of ignorance until the bitter end. In week one, game two and the pitching coach says let’s see if this guy can get out of it I’m also going to say ok. We found out something about the guy, and now we know better. This is why these games are played.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This is how you say I don’t really understand but by god I’m going to stand by point of ignorance until the bitter end. In week one, game two and the pitching coach says let’s see if this guy can get out of it I’m also going to say ok. We found out something about the guy, and now we know better. This is why these games are played.

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Exactly. Big difference with this decision being made in game two versus say game 40.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Holcombe's issues last night were mechanics. I just don't think he is a relief pitcher. It's a good test for Parker IMO. Holcombe looked strong in the preseason up until his last start. We'll see if he can correct it.

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He was still very inconsistent throwing strikes this preseason

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

He was still very inconsistent throwing strikes this preseason

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You nailed it by saying throwing, that’s all he’s doing, no pitching to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This is how you say I don’t really understand but by god I’m going to stand by point of ignorance until the bitter end. In week one, game two and the pitching coach says let’s see if this guy can get out of it I’m also going to say ok. We found out something about the guy, and now we know better. This is why these games are played.

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Yes, that's exactly it. I don't know that a pitching coach works with the pitchers and HELPS make pitching decisions. It's still about wins and losses and when your ass in on the line like Lemonis it's not time to "see" if this guy could do this or that in a certain situation. You'd better get the damn win. I'm glad you're not a coach because you wouldn't be worth a shit at it. Damn, that diatribe you just spewed was dumb as hell.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Exactly. Big difference with this decision being made in game two versus say game 40.

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Game two counts the same as game 40. You'd better win the ones you can.

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

Yes, that's exactly it. I don't know that a pitching coach works with the pitchers and HELPS make pitching decisions. It's still about wins and losses and when your ass in on the line like Lemonis it's not time to "see" if this guy could do this or that in a certain situation. You'd better get the damn win. I'm glad you're not a coach because you wouldn't be worth a shit at it. Damn, that diatribe you just spewed was dumb as hell.

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You know exactly dick about anything you’re talking about per usual on this board. To some on here who have played and coached the game at any level passed coach pitch every word you type is more and more proof of baseball ignorance. But hey it’s a free country you continuing to prove your ignorance is your prerogative.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

We may not win another game.
Or we may make the postseason, in which case this will be one of the all time dumbest thread starters in the history of the board.

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I was not saying fire him now. I was saying it is only a matter of time

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

You know exactly dick about anything you’re talking about per usual on this board. To some on here who have played and coached the game at any level passed coach pitch every word you type is more and more proof of baseball ignorance. But hey it’s a free country you continuing to prove your ignorance is your prerogative.

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Jokes on you. I played through JUCO and was a high school coach for 12 years where I coached on 4 district champion teams, and 6 that made the playoffs mostly when only two teams went. Also, finished first or second 8 of 12 years when the regions were 7 teams plus. You don't leave a player in to lose a game to see if he can do it. I know practice isn't the same, but you'd better have that figured out by then. I understand all about pitching rotations and pitching setup. Yeah, you let players have a chance to either prove themselves or not in certain situations, but you'd if it's a one run game, and you have another option that's not the time to "see" if this guy can do it. You'd better get him out and get a win as long as you have a better option. If not you, of course, roll with what you have, and it is what it is. No, you come on here talking down and insulting others because they don't have the same opinion that you and your hero does, so you resort to degrading people and name calling claiming they don't know squat and you do. That is what insecure people do. There are different opinions on how to handle situations. C34 said it was Parker's decision and his fault not Lemonis. All I stated was it was Lemonis' fault because he ultimately makes the final decision and it's on him. You then come in to defend your hero by pretty much saying that we are all dumbarses on here except you and your said hero. I really don't know why I'm wasting time typing this bs responding to you. Have a great day.

I'm starting to believe we've got fans who are invested in sports over simply wanting to fire coaches.

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Originally Posted by msudawg1200

Jokes on you. I played through JUCO and was a high school coach for 12 years where I coached on 4 district champion teams, and 6 that made the playoffs mostly when only two teams went. Also, finished first or second 8 of 12 years when the regions were 7 teams plus. You don't leave a player in to lose a game to see if he can do it. I know practice isn't the same, but you'd better have that figured out by then. I understand all about pitching rotations and pitching setup. Yeah, you let players have a chance to either prove themselves or not in certain situations, but you'd if it's a one run game, and you have another option that's not the time to "see" if this guy can do it. You'd better get him out and get a win as long as you have a better option. If not you, of course, roll with what you have, and it is what it is. No, you come on here talking down and insulting others because they don't have the same opinion that you and your hero does, so you resort to degrading people and name calling claiming they don't know squat and you do. That is what insecure people do. There are different opinions on how to handle situations. C34 said it was Parker's decision and his fault not Lemonis. All I stated was it was Lemonis' fault because he ultimately makes the final decision and it's on him. You then come in to defend your hero by pretty much saying that we are all dumbarses on here except you and your said hero. I really don't know why I'm wasting time typing this bs responding to you. Have a great day.

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Whatever, I’m glad my kid never played for you.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Whatever, I?m glad my kid never played for you.

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Typical response by you. I'm done.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Let him pitch when things don’t matter. He has struggled and maybe he can get better midweek pitching when the game is out of hand. No way I’d run him back out there in the situation like last night.

This team lacks confidence, gotta get a winning streak going to gain some swag, two straight years we had has caused problems. Not sure we are as talented as some thing on ED.

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But again who do you put in that you trust? We're still finding those things out. That's just the reality of the situation. Auger technically did his job and got squeezed. Hindsight says you start with him or Schuelke. Or maybe we go with Gavin Black but at that point he had never pitched in a game. Later in the year it might be Dohm. Or Simmons. It sucks but we're a work in progress at this point.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But again who do you put in that you trust? We're still finding those things out. That's just the reality of the situation. Auger technically did his job and got squeezed. Hindsight says you start with him or Schuelke. Or maybe we go with Gavin Black but at that point he had never pitched in a game. Later in the year it might be Dohm. Or Simmons. It sucks but we're a work in progress at this point.

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I can't disagree but we know what Holcomb's weakness is, throwing strikes. I will say our pitching Coach is learning what roles his staff will be moving forward. I think we upgraded our pitching Coach. Holcomb looked anxious with lack of confidence with the walk to start the 9th. It's easy to second guess and say he should have been pulled after the walk. I'm betting our PC learned a lot from that game. LOL

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But again who do you put in that you trust? We're still finding those things out. That's just the reality of the situation. Auger technically did his job and got squeezed. Hindsight says you start with him or Schuelke. Or maybe we go with Gavin Black but at that point he had never pitched in a game. Later in the year it might be Dohm. Or Simmons. It sucks but we're a work in progress at this point.

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This, 100%. And most coaches do this early on when you're trying to figure out the pieces. Game situations a whole lot different than practice or scrimmage. Better to find out early than in conference play. Now if we keep running out the same people this year who fail early in critical situations that's a different story.