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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

he has more value than you think as a CF, because then we could carry an extra OF on the bench and let Peraza be the backup SS, keeping us from having to carry some light-stick backup SS like we usually do.

Albies is 3-4 years away. maybe longer. Peraza is ready now. and we can platoon him at CF and 2B. give JP some starts at 3B too.

i'm fine with trading him if it fills a need, but i doubt we get a legit 3B or power hitter for him, so i'd rather keep him.

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Peraza isn't ready now, not as a CF. We don't know yet if he'll be able to play CF at all. And we now have Maybin and Mallex Smith there, so there's a logjam and somebody will have to go.

And Albies is likely 3 years away at most. I think he'll finish next year in AA with an outside chance to come up at some point in 2017. He's not some kind of long-term project.

I go with Simmons and Peterson up the middle while waiting on Albies, and I'm ok with Maybin now and Mallex as the future in CF. Peraza could be the centerpiece of a pretty good deal.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Peraza isn't ready now, not as a CF. We don't know yet if he'll be able to play CF at all. And we now have Maybin and Mallex Smith there, so there's a logjam and somebody will have to go.

And Albies is likely 3 years away at most. I think he'll finish next year in AA with an outside chance to come up at some point in 2017. He's not some kind of long-term project.

I go with Simmons and Peterson up the middle while waiting on Albies, and I'm ok with Maybin now and Mallex as the future in CF. Peraza could be the centerpiece of a pretty good deal.

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how is an 18 year old in A ball not a long term project?? it'll be 2 years before he's in AA, book it.

it's not really a logjam since there's platoon options there and JP can play 3B. and especially with Maybin only signed thru next year.

yes, if Peraza can be a centerpiece in a deal, then sure. but i doubt it. he doesn't walk and doesn't hit for any power, and those guys are never centerpieces.

Personally I'm not sure Peraza alone would be enough to bring in what we really other than at the catcher position. But him with one of our good young arms that we are trying build a surplus of, then you have something.

Era. Although I personally think you hold him for a while longer unless someone blows your socks off with an offer. Be patient there is no rush. Staying put is sometimes the best move.

Peraza, Bethancourt, and decent pitching prospect for Jonathan lucroy.

Lucroy is just what we need. He's a great, rh hitting catcher

3 more hits tonight for Albies puts him THIRD in all of MiLB in hits....
He's also the THIRD youngest position player in full season ball....

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

how is an 18 year old in A ball not a long term project?? it'll be 2 years before he's in AA, book it.

it's not really a logjam since there's platoon options there and JP can play 3B. and especially with Maybin only signed thru next year.

yes, if Peraza can be a centerpiece in a deal, then sure. but i doubt it. he doesn't walk and doesn't hit for any power, and those guys are never centerpieces.

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Because Albies is a different breed. He may be 18, but is absolutely killing A ball and will hit at any level. He will start next year at A+, no question, and unless he struggles there, I would predict a call-up to AA after 3-4 months.

Was Carlos Correa a long-term project when he was 18 in A-ball? Because he was there in 2013; it's now June of 2015 and he's starting at SS for the first-place Astros.

Peraza would not be great value at 3B. His defense might not carry as well there, and suddenly he would not be great offensively at the position.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Peraza, Bethancourt, and decent pitching prospect for Jonathan lucroy.

Lucroy is just what we need. He's a great, rh hitting catcher

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That wouldn't get us Lucroy.

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Originally Posted by smootness

That wouldn't get us Lucroy.

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According to how "decent" the pitching prospect is. If "decent" is hursh, then no. If "decent" is Teheran, then it would get lucroy.

Braves win 6-4. First series win in nearly a month.

Bravo Braves. With FF out and using rookie SP's on back-to-back nights, the Braves take 1st 2 from what was the 1st place mets. This was our first series win in like a month. Hopefully Teheran can bounce back and complete the sweep tomorrow

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Originally Posted by smootness

Because Albies is a different breed. He may be 18, but is absolutely killing A ball and will hit at any level. He will start next year at A+, no question, and unless he struggles there, I would predict a call-up to AA after 3-4 months.

Was Carlos Correa a long-term project when he was 18 in A-ball? Because he was there in 2013; it's now June of 2015 and he's starting at SS for the first-place Astros.

Peraza would not be great value at 3B. His defense might not carry as well there, and suddenly he would not be great offensively at the position.

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Peraza aint in Correa's league. and i didn't say put Peraza at 3B some, I said Peterson.

Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Braves acquire RHP Touki Toussaint from #DBacks. Rest of trade not know. DBacks? No. 5 prospect, per Baseball America.

11:45 PM
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves traded Gosselin for #Dbacks RH Bronson Arroyo and #Dbacks RH prospect Touki Toussaint, No. 16 pick in draft @Ken_Rosenthal had 1st

@grantmcauley
Bronson Arroyo threw a bullpen session back on 6/2. No timetable for return yet, but expected back around the All-Star break. #Braves

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Peraza aint in Correa's league. and i didn't say put Peraza at 3B some, I said Peterson.

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I was comparing Correa to Albies. Allies may not be Correa, but he has a chance to similarly blow through the minors.

And sorry, Jose Peraza is a JP, too.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

11:45 PM
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves traded Gosselin for #Dbacks RH Bronson Arroyo and #Dbacks RH prospect Touki Toussaint, No. 16 pick in draft @Ken_Rosenthal had 1st

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This is amazing. Seriously unbelievable. The D-Backs are really, really stupid. We just did unspeakable things to them in this deal.

Wow! The Braves got Touki Touissant just to take on Bronson Arroyo's contract! Holy cow! Suddenly, pitching has become a strength in the system. Braves now have 5 top 100 prospects.

I'm seriously speechless over this deal. The Braves, in the last 3 weeks, have added probably the two HS pitchers with the most upside over the last two cycles and now have SEVEN former 1st round pitchers who are 24 or younger in the system.

The last 7 months have seen us add the following:
Shelby Miller
Cameron Maybin
Jace Peterson
Mike Foltynewicz
Matt Wisler
Manny Banuelos
Max Fried
Rio Ruiz
Mallex Smith
Dustin Peterson
Tyrell Jenkins
Ricardo Sanchez
Touki Touissant
Kolby Allard
Mike Soroka
Austin Riley

That is flat out ridiculous.

Speaking of Sanchez... He's given up 1 er in his last 14 ip. Dropping his era from 8.79 to 4.76. Hopefully this kid is figuring it out.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

11:45 PM
@DOBrienAJC
#Braves traded Gosselin for #Dbacks RH Bronson Arroyo and #Dbacks RH prospect Touki Toussaint, No. 16 pick in draft @Ken_Rosenthal had 1st

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I can tell you right now that is going to go down as one of the worst trades in MLB history for the Diamondbacks.