Football Transfer Portal Thread

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Man this is a stretch and I'm not a WR fan. Shapen was never an SEC QB

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How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

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Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.

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I agree that Shapen paired with a competent offensive line would have been fine. He was not the QB we needed though when constantly having to try and get away from a pass rush.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I agree that Shapen paired with a competent offensive line would have been fine. He was not the QB we needed though when constantly having to try and get away from a pass rush.

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And when we had a mobile qb w the same line we did so well.....

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Shapen wasn't near as bad as some led you to believe. We just have the backup is best guy on campus syndrome. Yes, Kt is talented. Gonna be good. But shapen gave us the best chance to wil all year.

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I think we have a LOT of fans that learned their lesson on that this year after the Egg Bowl and the Mayo Bowl.

Turns out that SEC football is a little bit different than Yalobusha County HS football where you can just stick your best athlete at QB and let them run around and play backyard football and it works sometimes.

We don't even get to the Mayo Bowl without Shapen.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

How do you come to that conclusion? Shapen threw for 12.5 YPC, 2:1 TD ratio and the worst OL I?ve ever seen at State. Rogers threw for 9.5 YPC his best year here with Charles Cross protecting his blind side. He did have 4:1 ratio which is excellent but also attributed to literally never taking downfield shots.

It?s hard to compare them because the offenses were so different but Shapen takes a ton of hate around here thats unwarranted because of how bad our OL is. If he had legs he would have been pretty good here but he didnt so he is equal as WR imo when it comes to mobility.

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Will's issue is he would rarely throw deep. He had poor in game awareness in general and instead of throwing deep when he could he would default to check downs. And he would try to do too much. See the 2022 Egg Bowl as exhibit A. WTF was he thinking trying to run the ball in like he was Dak Prescott when all he had to do was hand it off to Dillion Johnson who deserved the TD anyway?

Look at film of MSU vs LSU in 2020 vs pretty much any Will Rogers game. We took way more deep shots in the LSU game than we ever did with Will. And if we had Kamario or Sawyer Robertson or whoever running the offense it would have been more like LSU 2020.

Shapen's legs were not that bad. It's like our fans have this extremely high standard for what QB mobility looks like. His OL was horrendous. Like Tennessee for example- that shot he took from his blindside where he fumbled the ball- Mick Vick wouldn't have been able to avoid that. On top of that, we spent the whole offseason NOT wanting Shapen to run so he wouldn't get hurt. Then our fans got enamored with KT and started to say Shapen was immobile.

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Originally Posted by Thick

How many games did he play in? Weak arm, slower than molasses on a cold winter day, and never clutch. Tell me how bad his offensive line was, but I think this year?s would by most be considered just as bad or worse. His advantage over Shapen was Leach. I would like to see what kind of numbers Shapen would have put up with Leach. I would have loved to have seen Omar Connor with Mullen or Leach. Great talent terrible timing coach wise.

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Shapen would have killed it with Leach. Conner? Maybe. Leach would have coached him up for sure. I think he definitely fits Dan's offense better than Leach's though.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

And when we had a mobile qb w the same line we did so well.....

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Well, KT as a true freshman, had his own shortcomings. But if we could have had even a Shapen equivalent QB in the passing department that was more mobile we would have been a lot better off. Hard to have a pro style pocket QB when the pocket keeps collapsing.

What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?

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Can?t imagine any. Just saw Stonka is at Memphis now too lmao

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

What unclaimed players in the portal do we have that we would take back?

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None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.

Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.

Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.

Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.

Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.


The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Man this is a stretch and I'm not a WR fan. Shapen was never an SEC QB

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When Blake had time, Blake was good. Unfortunately we didn't have the line to give Blake the time he needed. I think the line issues caused Blake to get way to sped up at time and try to either get the ball out too quick or lock into the pre snap defensive read and not really pay attention post snap.

Blake's attitude also got awful as the year went along and that never helped him with the fanbase.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

When Blake had time, Blake was good. Unfortunately we didn't have the line to give Blake the time he needed. I think the line issues caused Blake to get way to sped up at time and try to either get the ball out too quick or lock into the pre snap defensive read and not really pay attention post snap.

Blake's attitude also got awful as the year went along and that never helped him with the fanbase.

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Yeah - Blake got shell shocked. I can't say as I blame him. He kind of reminded me of Steve Bartkowski with the Falcons back in the 80s. Hit so much he developed "happy feet" in the pocket.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.

Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.

Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.

Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.

Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.


The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.

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I would have tried to move Lewis to guard which he likely wouldn't have wanted to do if I had to guess.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I would have tried to move Lewis to guard which he likely wouldn't have wanted to do if I had to guess.

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In today's day and age of college football, if you're not producing in some form or fashion you're taking up a spot. Jimothy wouldn't have accepted being a backup and learning the Tackle position so he needed to leave.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Yeah - Blake got shell shocked. I can't say as I blame him. He kind of reminded me of Steve Bartkowski with the Falcons back in the 80s. Hit so much he developed "happy feet" in the pocket.

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I think that's part of it and I also think our offense was so predicated on the deep ball that if it wasn't there, Blake got nervous and didn't want to work through the read.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

None. I think there's only a few we would've considered.

Jayven James-We didn't want to lose Jayven but he got his feelings hurt we were pursuing Seaton. So he transferred and we took Sneh. We honestly upgraded.

Tony Mitchell-Tony got out of shape and was playing 25-30 lbs above where he needed to be playing. We would've taken him back but he would've had to have been extremely committed and the new defensive staff never got that vibe.

Braylon Burnside-He didn't want to play Defense. He keeps getting fed terrible advice that he is a WR at the collegiate level and he's not. But it's his life. He got a nice payday from us for two years with no production. He needed to go or have his NIL brought down to room and board.

Jimothy Lewis-We would have liked to have kept him but the writing was beginning to be written in permanent marker on the wall. He just wasn't developing like we needed him to develop.


The others were told to seek opportunities elsewhere.

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James - how do we know Sneh is an upgrade?

Lewis - none of our OL were developing. Seeing as though they left and went to programs that have been better than us (Mizzou, bama, cal, mizzou), I wonder if Loadholt's inability to develop is more of the problem than the OL talent....

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Originally Posted by confucius say

James - how do we know Sneh is an upgrade?

Lewis - none of our OL were developing. Seeing as though they left and went to programs that have been better than us (Mizzou, bama, cal, mizzou), I wonder if Loadholt's inability to develop is more of the problem than the OL talent....

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Because James was an awful LT. He was never going to be the starter. He was always going to be battling for a starting spot elsewhere. But for some reason, he was convinced that he was going to be the starting LT and got butthurt when we went after Seaton.

On Lewis and our other OL, Work nor Owens will play much, if at all at Mizzou. Jimothy nor James will play at Bama. No clue why they went there. Those are just the one's I remember, any other lineman isn't really worth mentioning because they didn't play.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because James was an awful LT. He was never going to be the starter. He was always going to be battling for a starting spot elsewhere. But for some reason, he was convinced that he was going to be the starting LT and got butthurt when we went after Seaton.

On Lewis and our other OL, Work nor Owens will play much, if at all at Mizzou. Jimothy nor James will play at Bama. No clue why they went there. Those are just the one's I remember, any other lineman isn't really worth mentioning because they didn't play.

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Jimothy went to cal not bama. Bama must be desperate. They paid James out the butt for a guy that's avg at best. That shows how few OL are available for everyone

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Jimothy went to cal not bama.

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Damn I thought he was at Bama. Well then he'll probably play out there.