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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not giving up on folty. I do think wisler will be a better pitcher though and banuelos is a lefty so that gives him an advantage. Not sure when fried will be cleared, but he could be a 2nd half option.

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You're strange sometimes haha. Banuelos is a far more likely bet to be in next year's bullpen than Folty. Folty has proven this year that he can be a starter if he continues to get his command under control (ha).

I do worry some about Teheran, but we'll see. I think next year's rotation will be Teheran, Wood, Miller, Folty, and Wisler unless we sign a SP.

I think Banuelos and Perez are good bullpen options that you can stretch out if you need to at some point. And Jenkins will be coming on.

Try 5.07...I don't get to watch much with my schedule. What was his velocity today. Something is off

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Originally Posted by smootness

You're strange sometimes haha. Banuelos is a far more likely bet to be in next year's bullpen than Folty. Folty has proven this year that he can be a starter if he continues to get his command under control (ha).

I do worry some about Teheran, but we'll see. I think next year's rotation will be Teheran, Wood, Miller, Folty, and Wisler unless we sign a SP.

I think Banuelos and Perez are good bullpen options that you can stretch out if you need to at some point. And Jenkins will be coming on.

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It's hard for me to say Perez won't be a starter when his era starting is the best we have... Yes, his era as a starter is better than miller's. Banuelos was a very highly thought of prospect at one time and he's a lefty, so I wouldn't count him out. Banuelos has performed very well this year. I ultimately think fried will be the 2nd lefty in '17.

Next season rotation...
Teheran
Miller
Perez
Wood
Wisler

Folty
Avilan
Banuelos
Simmons
Vizcaino
And some FA's in pen

In '17, I expect Jenkins and fried to be kicking in the door on our rotation

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Try 5.07...I don't get to watch much with my schedule. What was his velocity today. Something is off

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Listening to at bat app. No idea

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Originally Posted by smootness

You're strange sometimes haha. Banuelos is a far more likely bet to be in nehxt year's bullpen than Folty. Folty has proven this year that he can be a starter if he continues to get his command under control (ha).

I do worry some about Teheran, but we'll see. I think next year's rotation will be Teheran, Wood, Miller, Folty, and Wisler unless we sign a SP.

I think Banuelos and Perez are good bullpen options that you can stretch out if you need to at some point. And Jenkins will be coming on.

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I think it's too early to say on Perez. He keeps filling up the zone like he is and let's see what kind of adjustments he makes once the hitters get a book on him. If he stays effective I can him as a solid backend rotation guy. Get his walks back down. Obviously I think the numbers look like his era will go up but if he can keep it below 4-4.2 and eat innings like he does, he has value as a starter.

Dustin pedroia and Hanley Ramirez didn't play today...

Boston collects 13 hits and 6 er with only 3 k's.

Teheran is terrible

Went back and saw the clip of the double he gave up in the 6th and it was 92 mph. Not best location but 92. Marimon is not ready. Not close yet.

Uribe creeping up on .280 avg.

If Perez can get his walk rate down, he could be an option. But I see him as a 4 or 5 at best, and Folty's ceiling is an ace. It just makes no sense to put Folty in the bullpen for the sake of Williams Perez.

Perez's LOB% is abnormally high right now. He has gotten himself into trouble in most of his starts and has done a good job battling out of it for the most part. But that's a risky game and is likely to start biting him soon. I'm all for giving him chances as long as he's effective, I'm just making a prediction that I don't think he's a long-term option in the rotation.

Banuelos has been very good this year, but he has trouble pitching deep into games. Unless his velocity comes back to where it was pre-TJ, I think he's more likely a bullpen option than a starter.

I feel like people are putting Folty in the pen because his stuff would certainly be nasty there. But he easily has the most potential of our young arms as a starter as well, so we have to give him every opportunity to have success there first. And again, he has shown serious flashes this year of great stuff as a starter. He's been able to pitch effectively late into games several times, and an 8.3 K/9 rate with a BB/9 rate under 3 will do just fine. He's been hit pretty hard in several starts, but I think he can figure that out and make adjustments.

Williams Perez starts have been vs TB (1st place), LAD (1st place), SF (2nd place), Pitt (2nd place), SD (4th place, but 32-35), NYM (1st place), and Boston (last place). His numbers...

36.0 ip 6 er 29 k 15 bb 1.50 era

If Perez can get his walks down, he could be very good. He's already pitching very well against very good competition. Just bc a guy doesn't light up the radar gun, it doesn't mean he can't be a big time pitcher. Perez is the new medlen. I hope he stays healthy and proves you all wrong. I love this kid. Folty goes out to the mound scared to challenge hitters with overpowering stuff... Not Williams. He comes right after guys and I love it

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Originally Posted by smootness

If Perez can get his walk rate down, he could be an option. But I see him as a 4 or 5 at best, and Folty's ceiling is an ace. It just makes no sense to put Folty in the bullpen for the sake of Williams Perez.

Perez's LOB% is abnormally high right now. He has gotten himself into trouble in most of his starts and has done a good job battling out of it for the most part. But that's a risky game and is likely to start biting him soon. I'm all for giving him chances as long as he's effective, I'm just making a prediction that I don't think he's a long-term option in the rotation.

Banuelos has been very good this year, but he has trouble pitching deep into games. Unless his velocity comes back to where it was pre-TJ, I think he's more likely a bullpen option than a starter.

I feel like people are putting Folty in the pen because his stuff would certainly be nasty there. But he easily has the most potential of our young arms as a starter as well, so we have to give him every opportunity to have success there first. And again, he has shown serious flashes this year of great stuff as a starter. He's been able to pitch effectively late into games several times, and an 8.3 K/9 rate with a BB/9 rate under 3 will do just fine. He's been hit pretty hard in several starts, but I think he can figure that out and make adjustments.

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Well I didn't say anything about Folty not being a starter. I agree he has top of rotation stuff. Just has to get it under control and challenge hitters better. While I agree that Perez numbers show that his numbers will adjust up, how much is what is unknown. Against good competition he has preformed very well and again if he stays effective I think it's going to be hard to get him out of the back end. Looks like a guy with a good motion that could have a long career. Either back end or reliever. But I love a guy that competes and gives you 200 innings a year as a back end guy.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Williams Perez starts have been vs TB (1st place), LAD (1st place), SF (2nd place), Pitt (2nd place), SD (4th place, but 32-35), NYM (1st place), and Boston (last place). His numbers...

36.0 ip 6 er 29 k 15 bb 1.50 era

If Perez can get his walks down, he could be very good. He's already pitching very well against very good competition. Just bc a guy doesn't light up the radar gun, it doesn't mean he can't be a big time pitcher. Perez is the new medlen. I hope he stays healthy and proves you all wrong. I love this kid. Folty goes out to the mound scared to challenge hitters with overpowering stuff... Not Williams. He comes right after guys and I love it

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By all means, I hope Perez proves me wrong and becomes an ace. That wouldn't bother me a bit. I like him and I like the way he pitches...just making a prediction. By the same token, I guess I hope Folty proves you wrong as well.

But Folty's issue has been that he's getting too much of the plate and has been hit hard at times, not that he's being scared or nibbling on hitters. Similarly, Perez attacks but he also walks far more than Folty does. So I don't really see your opinion of the two.

Medley showed the ability to strike guys out all through the minors. He had very good stuff. Perez really doesn't. He has a good 2-seamer, but I think guys will square him up better once they see him some.

But again, I hope all our guys prove to be studs.

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Originally Posted by smootness

By all means, I hope Perez proves me wrong and becomes an ace. That wouldn't bother me a bit. I like him and I like the way he pitches...just making a prediction. By the same token, I guess I hope Folty proves you wrong as well.

But Folty's issue has been that he's getting too much of the plate and has been hit hard at times, not that he's being scared or nibbling on hitters. Similarly, Perez attacks but he also walks far more than Folty does. So I don't really see your opinion of the two.

Medley showed the ability to strike guys out all through the minors. He had very good stuff. Perez really doesn't. He has a good 2-seamer, but I think guys will square him up better once they see him some.

But again, I hope all our guys prove to be studs.

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Folty goes to his secondary pitches way too much. This is why I say he's scared. Folty, you can throw it 97-99... Use that more!

@DOBrienAJC
#Braves Teheran: 0-3 with an 8.10 ERA in his past 7 road starts, with 56 hits and 11 homers allowed in 36 2/3 innings.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Folty goes to his secondary pitches way too much. This is why I say he's scared. Folty, you can throw it 97-99... Use that more!

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I think you might be right, but that's an easy fix. Sometimes that just comes with time and a realization that your stuff is good enough.

Teheran needs to be sent down, no doubt. I'd call up Wisler.

And I don't think Perez will be a top of the rotation guy for us. I do think he could be a very solid 4-5 though. He's pitching to our strength -- infield defense. Our infield defense could be the best in mlb. If we don't replace uribe with a plus defender next season, Perez could suffer the most in our rotation

I really hate we don't have a catcher to work with all these young pitchers. AJ is decent...nothing more. I wish we had a big time defensive catcher that could help these young guys take it up a notch. We have to find a catcher before next season.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And I don't think Perez will be a top of the rotation guy for us. I do think he could be a very solid 4-5 though. He's pitching to our strength -- infield defense. Our infield defense could be the best in mlb. If we don't replace uribe with a plus defender next season, Perez could suffer the most in our rotation

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Well, if that's your opinion of Perez, I think you have to put Folty in the rotation ahead of him.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Well, if that's your opinion of Perez, I think you have to put Folty in the rotation ahead of him.

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At what point do results matter more than potential?

I think folty will be a very good reliever. Out of the pen, he'll become more of a fastball-curve or fastball-slider guy. I hope I'm wrong, but I like fried, wisler, and Jenkins better long term as our starters.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Folty goes to his secondary pitches way too much. This is why I say he's scared. Folty, you can throw it 97-99... Use that more!

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from what i've seen (which is less than half his starts), he isn't locating his breaking stuff for strikes, so hitters are sitting on his fastball. he needs to get Ks with his breaking stuff to be an ace, and that won't happen until he can throw it for strikes at will.