2022 MSU FOOTBALL RECRUITING Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We need someone that can move or else we’ll need NFL tackles to compete for the West no matter how great Will is between the ears, accuracy, or leadership wise.

I really like Will. I’m sure you’ll take what I’m saying as a negative, but I’m just speaking truth. There are a few teams that I don’t think his skill set gives us any chance of beating.

I’d love to be wrong, but I’m struggling to logically think how he’s going to overcome that limitation.

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I guess the same way Minshew and Harrel did.

It is never going to come down to just Will when it comes to beating Bama

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He weighs about 205-210 and that is all they will ever let him weigh

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Ain't no way he's 200 lbs. He's tiny

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Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely

Bro, Will is 200+ lbs, and when was the last time he was knocked out of a game...if ever??

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I'm not saying he'll get knocked out of a game. I'm saying he's light in the pants.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I guess the same way Minshew and Harrel did.

It is never going to come down to just Will when it comes to beating Bama

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Minshew is more mobile than Will, but furthermore, I don't recall Minshew or Harrell winning anything.

Not to mention that the SEC has By far the best and most great pass rushers in college football. Minshew and Harrell didn't have to deal with the competition Will does.

Again, I love Will. Makes me sad that some think he's a perfect player and im forced to point out the obvious area that he and we need to improve.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Minshew is more mobile than Will, but furthermore, I don't recall Minshew or Harrell winning anything.

Not to mention that the SEC has By far the best and most great pass rushers in college football. Minshew and Harrell didn't have to deal with the competition Will does.

Again, I love Will. Makes me sad that some think he's a perfect player and im forced to point out the obvious area that he and we need to improve.

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I thought it was sad that most of the season you thought he was the weakest link and talked about him like he stole your girlfriend. You are not qualified at this point to be pointing out talent issues. You even admitted you were wrong. And now you are suddenly an expert on judging Will again, how about just hope that he continues to improve on his weaknesses like our last great QB did.

Some of you are just not very intelligent. A qb with the accuracy of will but who is also mobile is going to be a 5 star stud and he ain’t coming state. Geez. Be thankful we have will.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I thought it was sad that most of the season you thought he was the weakest link and talked about him like he stole your girlfriend. You are not qualified at this point to be pointing out talent issues. You even admitted you were wrong. And now you are suddenly an expert on judging Will again, how about just hope that he continues to improve on his weaknesses like our last great QB did.

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Have to agree here

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Have to agree here

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People are never satisfied. There ain't a kid like we want in the nfl right now lol

QB recruiting is a crap shoot at best. If you go back and look at recruiting rankings, while there are some hits in the Top 10 QBs in each class, there are a lot of misses too. Let's look at 2017 24/7 QB recruiting rankings as these guys should be seniors or already in the NFL:

1. Davis Mills - Stanford
2. Hunter Johnson - Clemson
3. Tua Tagovailoa - Bama
4. Jake Fromm - Georgia
5.Tate Martell - Ohio State
6. Jack Sears - USC
7. Kellen Mond - Texas A&M
8. Sam Ehlinger - Texas
9. Dylan McCaffrey - Michigan
10. Myles Brennan - LSU

Now let's look outside the top 10:

29. Mac Jones - Bama
48. Kenny Pickett - Pitt

Now here's a link to the 2020 24/7 QB rankings. Same class Will Rogers came out of. https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Fo...sitionGroup=QB

There's maybe 3 QBs on that list that right now I would be like yes please trade me that guy to replace Will Rogers right now.

I think QB recruiting is very interesting. There are some guys like Bryce Young that transcend a type of offense. They can do whatever you ask of them. Bryce Young and CJ Stroud from 2020 fit that mold. But I believe QB is a fit more than a talent for 98% of schools. Will right now is a perfect fit for us.

You said it, Will is perfect for us. Because of Covid he will be a sophomore next year. We're going to be just fine.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Ain't no way he's 200 lbs. He's tiny

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Well I hate to tell you brotha. But he is

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Minshew is more mobile than Will, but furthermore, I don't recall Minshew or Harrell winning anything.

Not to mention that the SEC has By far the best and most great pass rushers in college football. Minshew and Harrell didn't have to deal with the competition Will does.

Again, I love Will. Makes me sad that some think he's a perfect player and im forced to point out the obvious area that he and we need to improve.

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The argument was to beat certain teams, like Bama etc. Both of them beat elite teams.

Nobody has ever said he was perfect. But its his team and he has earned that. He is going to leave here as the best passing QB we have ever had. Leach is not going to recruit a RPO/Mullen QB. He is going to go find kids like Will.

The question for me is how many years Will is going to play at State. He improved his arm strength significantly from his true freshman year. If he continues on that track, when does it make sense for him to go pro?

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

The question for me is how many years Will is going to play at State. He improved his arm strength significantly from his true freshman year. If he continues on that track, when does it make sense for him to go pro?

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After his covid junior season.

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

The question for me is how many years Will is going to play at State. He improved his arm strength significantly from his true freshman year. If he continues on that track, when does it make sense for him to go pro?

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I think he'll be here two more years. Not sure about his senior year. Depends on his maturity as a quarterback.

So Cooter said the day Banks committed there was another. What ever happened to that?

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Originally Posted by Hambone

So Cooter said the day Banks committed there was another. What ever happened to that?

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Thanks for getting the thread back on point. Lol

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Originally Posted by Hambone

So Cooter said the day Banks committed there was another. What ever happened to that?

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I will,find out what I can after the bowl,game, since I was basically the only one that had Banks to State..

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

I will,find out what I can after the bowl,game, since I was basically the only one that had Banks to State..

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Good deal!

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Minshew is more mobile than Will, but furthermore, I don't recall Minshew or Harrell winning anything.

Not to mention that the SEC has By far the best and most great pass rushers in college football. Minshew and Harrell didn't have to deal with the competition Will does.

Again, I love Will. Makes me sad that some think he's a perfect player and im forced to point out the obvious area that he and we need to improve.

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You overvalue arm strength and mobility and undervalue accuracy and leadership. Same thing the NFL scouts did with Montana, Brady, and Brees.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You overvalue arm strength and mobility and undervalue accuracy and leadership. Same thing the NFL scouts did with Montana, Brady, and Brees.

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Brees and Brady are the two best pocket manipulators of all time. Don't include them.

And I'm not overvaluing a damn thing. You're undervaluing.

Accuracy doesn't mean anything if the QB can't get the pass off. Think through this logically Todd

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I thought it was sad that most of the season you thought he was the weakest link and talked about him like he stole your girlfriend. You are not qualified at this point to be pointing out talent issues. You even admitted you were wrong. And now you are suddenly an expert on judging Will again, how about just hope that he continues to improve on his weaknesses like our last great QB did.

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You should've seen his Joe Burrow assessments...

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Originally Posted by vv83

Agree here, I don?t think Sawyer ever sees the field. I hope we get a stud this class, sit 2 seasons behind Will then take over

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Like Braedyn Locke?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You overvalue arm strength and mobility and undervalue accuracy and leadership. Same thing the NFL scouts did with Montana, Brady, and Brees.

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And dak

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Brees and Brady are the two best pocket manipulators of all time. Don't include them.

And I'm not overvaluing a damn thing. You're undervaluing.

Accuracy doesn't mean anything if the QB can't get the pass off. Think through this logically Todd

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No QB is accurate when there is pressure. Did you watch Baker Mayfield yesterday? Strong arm and mobile but couldn't hit a receiver if his life depended on it.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Like Braedyn Locke?

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I actually meant this upcoming class because I think Will uses his covid year so he would be here another 3, but would be awesome if he is that dude and sticks around through it all to start his last 2 years. I'd take it for sure, just with the transfer portal I don't see any great QB sitting for 3 years

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

No QB is accurate when there is pressure. Did you watch Baker Mayfield yesterday? Strong arm and mobile but couldn't hit a receiver if his life depended on it.

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Good heavens. Post less

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Originally Posted by vv83

I actually meant this upcoming class because I think Will uses his covid year so he would be here another 3, but would be awesome if he is that dude and sticks around through it all to start his last 2 years. I'd take it for sure, just with the transfer portal I don't see any great QB sitting for 3 years

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by vv83

I actually meant this upcoming class because I think Will uses his covid year so he would be here another 3, but would be awesome if he is that dude and sticks around through it all to start his last 2 years. I'd take it for sure, just with the transfer portal I don't see any great QB sitting for 3 years

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Rep!

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Brees and Brady are the two best pocket manipulators of all time. Don't include them.

And I'm not overvaluing a damn thing. You're undervaluing.

Accuracy doesn't mean anything if the QB can't get the pass off. Think through this logically Todd

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Logically accuracy doesn't have anything to do with getting the actual pass protection. That's more about protection from the offensive line. It's not like Will is getting sacked every other play either. Will can make plays in the pocket and move around some. Don't forget he is the same age as a redshirt freshman. He improved with that throughout the year and I expect that he will continue to do so and they'll talk about how wrong you are again about him by this time next year.

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Originally Posted by vv83

I actually meant this upcoming class because I think Will uses his covid year so he would be here another 3, but would be awesome if he is that dude and sticks around through it all to start his last 2 years. I'd take it for sure, just with the transfer portal I don't see any great QB sitting for 3 years

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I would be shocked if Will leaves early at any point

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Logically accuracy doesn't have anything to do with getting the actual pass protection. That's more about protection from the offensive line. It's not like Will is getting sacked every other play either. Will can make plays in the pocket and move around some. Don't forget he is the same age as a redshirt freshman. He improved with that throughout the year and I expect that he will continue to do so and they'll talk about how wrong you are again about him by this time next year.

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Y'all know more about this then I do but won't the coaches work with him during the off-season on his foot work and such in the pocket?

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Y'all know more about this then I do but won't the coaches work with him during the off-season on his foot work and such in the pocket?

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Yeah definitely, but feeling pressure and knowing when to step up, when to throw a dead play away, when to just sit on a sack, etc. comes only with real game reps. Shotgun makes pretty good points that get ignored here for whatever reason, but Will doesn't have the escapability of some other guys. That's not a knock on him, just a fact. Luckily his first 2 years he had a top 10 NFL draft LT protecting his blindside and now that he's got 2 years of reps hopefully he can do more with less on the left side. A great QB and offensive scheme can hide a ton of problems so think we're in good hands.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Y'all know more about this then I do but won't the coaches work with him during the off-season on his foot work and such in the pocket?

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Considering Leach makes every 6th or so practice a Four Verts practice, yes.

Will has already shown the standard (and quite frankly above average) jumps in play level for a true freshman and going through his first full season as a starter. I'm sure mobility and strength will be the points of emphasis this off season. If he can take a next level leap in both of those areas which is very typical for 19-20 yr olds to do, then look out. I'd disagree with Bucky on him leaving early if he can take jumps in those specific areas. He already goes through progressions and diagnoses presnap well with top flight accuracy. All those qualities were things Dak learned in his jump from junior year to senior year on top of learning to be pocket mobile (as opposed to a running quarterback). Pocket mobility is a skill that can be learned and you don't need Mike Vick athleticism to do it. A top 5 mobile QB all time was Dan Marino because he could maneuver in the pocket like no other. I fully expect us to be in awe of Will by mid season next year. And serious discussions to be had about his draftability.

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Originally Posted by vv83

Yeah definitely, but feeling pressure and knowing when to step up, when to throw a dead play away, when to just sit on a sack, etc. comes only with real game reps. Shotgun makes pretty good points that get ignored here for whatever reason, but Will doesn't have the escapability of some other guys. That's not a knock on him, just a fact. Luckily his first 2 years he had a top 10 NFL draft LT protecting his blindside and now that he's got 2 years of reps hopefully he can do more with less on the left side. A great QB and offensive scheme can hide a ton of problems so think we're in good hands.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Tater

Considering Leach makes every 6th or so practice a Four Verts practice, yes.

Will has already shown the standard (and quite frankly above average) jumps in play level for a true freshman and going through his first full season as a starter. I'm sure mobility and strength will be the points of emphasis this off season. If he can take a next level leap in both of those areas which is very typical for 19-20 yr olds to do, then look out. I'd disagree with Bucky on him leaving early if he can take jumps in those specific areas. He already goes through progressions and diagnoses presnap well with top flight accuracy. All those qualities were things Dak learned in his jump from junior year to senior year on top of learning to be pocket mobile (as opposed to a running quarterback). Pocket mobility is a skill that can be learned and you don't need Mike Vick athleticism to do it. A top 5 mobile QB all time was Dan Marino because he could maneuver in the pocket like no other. I fully expect us to be in awe of Will by mid season next year. And serious discussions to be had about his draftability.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by vv83

Yeah definitely, but feeling pressure and knowing when to step up, when to throw a dead play away, when to just sit on a sack, etc. comes only with real game reps. Shotgun makes pretty good points that get ignored here for whatever reason, but Will doesn't have the escapability of some other guys. That's not a knock on him, just a fact. Luckily his first 2 years he had a top 10 NFL draft LT protecting his blindside and now that he's got 2 years of reps hopefully he can do more with less on the left side. A great QB and offensive scheme can hide a ton of problems so think we're in good hands.

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Shotgun gets knocked because he presents his opinion as if we should be looking for someone who is readymade and able to do it as opposed to having any thought that Will could develop something teachable. It carries over from his take that Will's arm strength isn't good enough to compete in the SEC as if 18 year olds with Ryan Mallet arms, Mike Vick legs, and Drew Brees accuracy exist w/o college training and go to MSU for the cheap.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Shotgun gets knocked because he presents his opinion as if we should be looking for someone who is readymade and able to do it as opposed to having any thought that Will could develop something teachable. It carries over from his take that Will's arm strength isn't good enough to compete in the SEC as if 18 year olds with Ryan Mallet arms, Mike Vick legs, and Drew Brees accuracy exist w/o college training and go to MSU for the cheap.

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That's pretty funny. That would be the first six star in recruiting history and he would come to MSU over all the D1 schools in the country!! Sounds great to me!! Ha ha

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Y'all know more about this then I do but won't the coaches work with him during the off-season on his foot work and such in the pocket?

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Yes. And Will is going to work with his private QB coach or a private QB coach this offseason on all of that. Not to mention our QB coach and Leach will be working with him on those things as well.

Like others have said a lot of those things only really come with live reps against live competition. 2020 is going to end up being a big blessing for Will in that regard because he was essentially able to get more reps than he would have as a redshirt without actually burning a redshirt. His rapport with our receivers will get better too.

At times it looks like the game is moving too fast for Will but that is happening less and less as he continues to grow.

Oops, my bad. I thought this was the 2022 recruiting thread and set up for that type info. Why can't the "Will Not Worthy or Worthy to be Our QB" be discussed on one of the many of those type threads which are available to bump since he took his first snap last year? Fire away. Just my opinion on the purpose for this thread. Hail State!