Luke can't stand Bielema but has chosen to stay for his last year at Illinois.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Luke can't stand Bielema but has chosen to stay for his last year at Illinois.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
They are probably paying him a sizable NIL deal, he is a guaranteed starter, and their schedule is pretty manageable next year. They do have to go to Indiana, but no clue how they will look. They miss Oregon, Penn St, and Michigan. And they get Ohio St at home. They could easily go 9-3 or 10-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Was he a miss on our part or did he just not want to play at State?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We didn't "miss" on Altmeyer. It's taken 4 years for him to be good. That ain't happening at one school anymore
Neither. We picked Sawyer over him. Then and now that was the correct decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
The problem with firing this staff next year is the same people that hired them will get to do it again. Guess we'll be hiring the next bright OC as our coach next year. At this point, who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
This is the absolute biggest issue. We need new money players to make aggressive decisions but it'll be the same people so they will screw it up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Nah. MSU has more of a history of over correcting. My guess is whoever we hire will have G5 head coaching experience. Or a retread. Either way it will be someone with head coaching experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
That's the good thing about hiring a guy like Leach. You kind of know what to expect and that's pretty much what we got.
As I have said before, the problem with going the experienced head coach route is that we do not typically get a guy like Mike Leach when we do that. We get a coach who is either at the end of their career or a coach that no one wants. I maintain my stance that an established head coach is not the way we need to go if we want to raise the ceiling on the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Felker, Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were all failures. Dan worked. Lebby is TBD but not looking too promising at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Bellard, Jackie, and Leach all had experience. All worked out well for us and all won at least 9 games. Bellard was the worst of the three but he was better than the others without experience minus Dan.
I mean would you take Ben Arbuckle as a head coach over GJ Kinne right now?
I also want to add that if we allow Lebby to come back for a year three after another bad year I'm 99% sure they're going to force him to get a new defensive staff. It's ridiculous that no changes have been made as of yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
If we keep the same AD and President, you are correct in the best "they" can do is "re-tread", twilight guy, or an inexperienced guy like an OC, DC, or Running Back Coach like we have historically to run the program. It's why we need and aggressive (willing to put his job on the line and not just a fund raiser) AD and New Blood in the top of the leadership who will tell the cigar boys to crap or get off the pot!Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Even the 2 times before Leach that we hired a "Former Head Coach", Bellard was coaching a Texas High School Team and Jackie was selling cars in Houston. Leach is the only coach who was actually a HC at a Division 1 program in the 71 years I've been on this earth. So don't say it is our "best" way. It has only worked once and that guy and his wife wanted out of Starkville 3 years after getting here but couldn't parlay a better job out of it until he was Striklin's 4th or 5th choice.
GJ Kinne is a rising young coach. Of course, I would take him but rising young coaches like him are not very interested in our job. Jamey Chadwell had absolutely no interest in our job last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Zach Arnett should not be considered in the same breath as Dan Mullen and Jeff Lebby, because he was nowhere near as good as a coordinator as Dan and Jeff were. Arnett was an average to below average coordinator. It was just a terrible decision to make him the head coach.
Moorhead had the experience as a head coach at Fordham. He wasn't just a coordinator who was on his first head coaching job. He was actually a successful head coach at Fordham. So, really, the only legitimate coordinators we have hired in the past 25 years are Dan Mullen and Jeff Lebby, both of whom were at the top of the profession as coordinators.
So, why exactly is Selmon getting crapped on? He's been here for two years. He isn't the one that decided to hire Zach Arnett. He did decide to hire Jeff Lebby, and I see that as a plus. It's very similar to when Greg Byrne hired Dan Mullen. Greg knew he needed a guy who could raise the ceiling on the program, and he knew he likely couldn't convince a sitting head coach who could actually raise the ceiling of the program. I mean, think about this. What if Greg had hired Derek Dooley instead of Dan Mullen because Dooley was an "experienced" head coach at Louisiana Tech at the time? I mention him, because he was a name that got mentioned for our job back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Not my intention to "crap" on Selmon. He is a fine young man, dedicated family man and apparently a solid fund raiser. He was very inexperienced though. Like Cohen, learning very important things on the fly, is not what State needed. He is very much in the background type of guy, staying out of focus and doesn't seem to be an approachable guy to the average donor. As much as Tenpleton was out front, he could walk right by you and never acknowledge you, so I will give Selmon that if he is in the vicinity, he will speak. How big of a search did he conduct before hiring Lebby? It is the most important hire an AD can make and it just looks like a hire or convenience.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I get it, but what was Greg Byrne's experience before we hired him? Byrne and Selmon have very similar resumes when they took the job. So, again, this is a lot like 2009 when we had the inexperienced AD and the inexperienced head coach, and both are probably the best we have had at Mississippi State. Greg also did not have to deal with as many changes as Zac has had to deal with. Zac has done a hell of a lot to get us in the NIL game. Do we really think we would be better off if we had hired the guy at San Diego State who had ties to Mississippi State? Or Jared Benko? I think we absolutely made the correct hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
We are. I mean we swung and missed at Michael Alford. That was our big swing. We had some communication with John Currie but it never really went anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Zac has done a lot of good with all the shit he had to deal with. He came into an antiquated AD that had people on staff that did not know how to properly do their jobs, which is why he had to bring in his people. This pissed some donors off that were used to getting what they wanted from the old people in those jobs. He then had to deal with an NIL collective that was just getting off the ground being run by 1 person, and god bless Charlie for stepping up. I mean we were 18-30 months behind almost every SEC program when it came to NIL. Charlie and Zac have gotten us to only about 3-6 months behind everyone now.
Agree, and no matter how hard Steve Robertson continues to stump for John Cohen as AD, John did not have the AD set up to go into the NIL era.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I mean I think that was obvious with The Legacy Group and signed baseballs. I mean that was typical Cohen though. He took care of baseball first instead of his two cash cows. And the baseballs were so successful that it caused the person running it to have a mental breakdown and we shuttered the thing within 5 months. So we were in the planning stages once again while everyone else was in the implementation stages. That was a year we lost right there. I mean The Bulldog Initiative was started because Charlie decided to do something. No one else was going to do anything so he, out of his devotion to Mississippi State, did something.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Just because one coach didn't want to come here doesn't mean you just stop looking for coaches with that profile. Could we get Jon Sumrall or Ryan Silverfield? Probably. We could have had Barry Odom last cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Yeah. We didn't have an internal NIL infrastructure until July of this year when Terry Prentice was able to bring in his own NIL staff, and damn he hired some good ones. That guy is going to be an AD down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And what did Odom do when he was at Missouri? Sumrall and Silverfield are not what I consider ceiling raisers. I feel like they would be more like Billy Napier at Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And even that was poorly run. They were charging double for baseballs signed by a college baseball than you could get for many World Series team signed baseballs. And I'm talking about the MLB World Series- not Omaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It was way over market.
Well man . That's like .....your opinion, man. 😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Anyway. Hopefully, we get some good portal news today and tomorrow and things work out for Selmon and Lebby.
I think we hear something on Kromenhoek today or tomorrow. I think we hear something on Delano Townsend in the next 48 hours as well. I really like Jesse Ramil from JMU. I think he and Townsend would be two really good OL pickups.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
We really need to get going on the DL side. I continue to hear that Turner will not be back next year. Multiple people from a lot of different areas continue to say that. Him leaving would open up doors for us to shift some stuff around. I mean if it was me, I would offer the world to Orgeron. Let him coach DL and run recruiting. Hell pay him 2 mil. It also helps he hates Ole Miss.
I was optimistic until I saw Lebby had no plan and kept this terrible staff. The man isn't a HC and has no vision/plan. He knows he's getting 3 years though and that's fine, I'm just not expecting success now. You'd think working for people he's worked with, he'd be better. Can anyone look at our recruiting and see a plan? Defense isn't improving except at LB and maybe S so far. What we doing with Turner? He's toast next month but we're going to let him just cruise past recruiting to retirement? Makes no sense at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
It's like I said before, top guys aren't coming to play in this. You've got to show progress and a plan and we have done neither. Lebby is a really good OC that's lost as a HC so far. If we don't win 5/6 games, nobody is playing here next time either.
I don't get the Ramil offer. He has played one year of D-1 ball. He transferred to James Madison from St. Francis. I mean maybe he was a late bloomer, but I guess I just wanted to see him perform more against P4 competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I guess at a minimum he would be solid depth.
I'll never understand why DT has been kept on. If you don't want to fire him, move him off the field and bring in his replacement to recruit. I mean, are we really going to hire his replacement in February once the portal is closed? That makes zero sense.
1. He has a plan that is apparent to anyone willing to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
2. His staff is not terrible. The situation they came into was terrible.
3. If he was lost as a head coach, the team would have quit on him this season. They didn't. They quit on Zach Arnett last season because he was absolutely lost as a head coach and had no plan.
Too many of you are not willing to let the process play out. This was never going to be an immediate turnaround. It was always going to take time due to the destruction Arnett caused to the program.
That's what I don't understand. Because everyone and their brother with a source is in agreement that Turner is gone. Sources disagree all the time, but everyone has been constant that Turner is leaving so I don't know why he is still in the building. That's the one puzzling decision. Unless we're pulling a DL coach from a team in the playoffs. That would be the only way I see Turner still being there.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
If we are moving on from DT, it is insane not to do it now. He can technically remain employed until January 31 if that is what needs to happen, but you can go ahead and announce a new DL coach for recruiting purposes.
Ramil is a late bloomer with a good pedigree. Dad played at Bama and brother is at MI State. At worse he will be a good depth piece but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't end up a starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Looking at Lebby's history, if he were to be hiring a DL coach, what names make sense?
I'm in no way pushing for this guy, but Deke Adams's contract is up in January at Arkansas much like David Turner's is up in January. Lebby coached with Adams at Ole Miss in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Miguel Chavis would definitely be a name. Todd Bates would be a grand slam hire. He's been with Venables for too long though. Rodney Garner on Heupel's staff would be a hell of a hire. Kevin Patrick at USF could be a really good hire as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Well Deke coached here for a year under Moorhead. And was kind of toxic after he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
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Originally Posted by KB21
Justus Boone, Florida EDGE, tentatively scheduled to visit on the 20th. I say tentatively because he has 6 visits in 6 days. Houston, Ga Tech, Oklahoma St, and Pitt all before us. Then our old pal Dan the day after us.
Would be baaaad!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Lay the plan out for us since you apparently know it. Or is this more piss on our heads and calling it rain? I see we’ve slipped down to #8 in the transfer portal. Also part of the plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Another nothing burger at EdgeQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve