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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I would have probably let him go after this season. But in all fairness I haven't seen not one poster who advocated for him to stay for next year also state that barely making a regional as a 3 seed is close to good enough to keep his job. That's not happening and nobody is advocating that.

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Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

But regardless, C34 is just throwing stuff at the wall. Like a perfect game 10 that's a top 5 draft pic bit wants to play college is 100% someone LSU is interested in having. The idea they'd not use NIL on a HS stud makes no sense. NIL is absolutely being used on HS kids.

And he won't address the fact that schools like Kentucky got better pitching transfers than us. What, am I supposed to believe their baseball NIL is out of our league too? It's simple. Lemo is a lame duck coach and nobody wants to play their last year of college on a sinking ship.

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Did they? We wont know that until the Spring. Remember Tyler Davis that pitches for us? He was very good at VCU. Didnt translate this past season to the SEC. We got a quality arm from a top baseball program in Ligon. I assure you Miami didnt want him to leave. We'll see what Purdue's Friday guy does in the SEC with better coaching and facilities.

and aGAIN- I'm not even a Lemon supporter. I wont be surprised with anything that happens in the Spring. But one thing I do know is that we have talent and should be pretty good. I dont think he's a lame duck at all. I think he makes the Tourney and keeps his job. And that fellas- is going to be fun to watch around here

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

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That's where I am. If we are a three seed, we better get to a super. If we're a 2 seed, he's coming back.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Did they? We wont know that until the Spring. Remember Tyler Davis that pitches for us? He was very good at VCU. Didnt translate this past season to the SEC. We got a quality arm from a top baseball program in Ligon. I assure you Miami didnt want him to leave. We'll see what Purdue's Friday guy does in the SEC with better coaching and facilities.

and aGAIN- I'm not even a Lemon supporter. I wont be surprised with anything that happens in the Spring. But one thing I do know is that we have talent and should be pretty good. I dont think he's a lame duck at all. I think he makes the Tourney and keeps his job. And that fellas- is going to be fun to watch around here

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Let me see if I got this straight:

Holcombe/Loo/Loftin will all greatly improve because they're "too talented not to".... but Arkansas Molina had a high ERA so he's not good? (BTW as noted above you used the wrong stats for him, his ERA was good last year)

Ligon will be great because he's got a quality arm... but we don't know anything about any other Portal arms till they play this year (why doesn't their play from last year count?)

Ligon was from a school that "didn't want him to leave"... as if all these other schools wanted their Friday aces to transfer out to the SEC? This argument makes no sense for why Ligon stands out from the transfers I mentioned above.

Purdue will be good next year because he's got better training here... but this somehow doesn't apply to the others? Again, this argument doesn't differentiate our tranfer from any of the others we should have gotten.

We can never get a good Portal player if LSU or Arky or UF want them because those are better programs... but we CAN recruit elite HS and Juco kids because... uh... these more elite programs apparently don't care about getting good players if they aren't from the Portal?

You're all over the place man. Just saying whatever thoughts come into your head that could possibly indicate Lemo is doing fine, even if they're illogical or contradict your previous point. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Let me see if I got this straight:

Holcombe/Loo/Loftin will all greatly improve because they're "too talented not to".... but Arkansas Molina had a high ERA so he's not good? (BTW as noted above you used the wrong stats for him, his ERA was good last year)

Ligon will be great because he's got a quality arm... but we don't know anything about any other Portal arms till they play this year (why doesn't their play from last year count?)

Ligon was from a school that "didn't want him to leave"... as if all these other schools wanted their Friday aces to transfer out to the SEC? This argument makes no sense for why Ligon stands out from the transfers I mentioned above.

Purdue will be good next year because he's got better training here... but this somehow doesn't apply to the others? Again, this argument doesn't differentiate our tranfer from any of the others we should have gotten.

We can never get a good Portal player if LSU or Arky or UF want them because those are better programs... but we CAN recruit elite HS and Juco kids because... uh... these more elite programs apparently don't care about getting good players if they aren't from the Portal?

You're all over the place man. Just saying whatever thoughts come into your head that could possibly indicate Lemo is doing fine, even if they're illogical or contradict your previous point. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

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No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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No, if the AD doesn't make a move a move will be made for him. He is on razor thin ice. And again this is coming from someone who had no problem making a change this year.

What if I told you that in 2023 we would have 250k to spend on a baseball player, & we couldn't find one that wanted to come here bad enough to take it. This is a massive L for a coach that can't take another L. When you are leveraging that kind of money, you get a dang answer from the kid before the portal closes. There are other pitching prospects out there that would be worth going after to get them in the portal but we didn't do squat. You can make excuses all day, but this is a coach/recruiting fail.

Who all figured this would happen? Raise your hand

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

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We wont miss Hoover 2 years in a row or break school records for margin of defeat

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

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You have to admit calling him Lemonizik then all of a sudden turning around and following the company line is out of your character

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

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Kansas state was the first team out and its AD and the baseball media blasted Cohen for leaving them out. They were good. Molinas numbers were good to great all year outside of 2 bad starts against an Omaha team and a regional team.

0 ER in 5.0 vs Iowa. Tourney team.
3 ER in 5.1 vs OK st. Regional host.
2 ER in 5.0 vs Texas. Super regional team.
2 ER in 4.2 vs West Va. Regional team.
1 ER in 6.0 vs Kan St. First team out.
1 ER in 6.0 vs West Va again. Regional team.
2 ER in 6.0 Va Top 10 UConn. Regional team.
That's 2.60 ERA in those 7 starts.

7 ER in 4.1 vs TCU. CWS team.
4 ER in 2.2 vs Oklahoma. Regional team.

We'd love to have him and he'd be our Friday guy as of today.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

What if I told you that in 2023 we would have 250k to spend on a baseball player, & we couldn't find one that wanted to come here bad enough to take it. This is a massive L for a coach that can't take another L. When you are leveraging that kind of money, you get a dang answer from the kid before the portal closes. There are other pitching prospects out there that would be worth going after to get them in the portal but we didn't do squat. You can make excuses all day, but this is a coach/recruiting fail.

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We had way more than 250k to spend. We would have spent that on multiple guys had they come.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

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Only way he gets fire after making a regional is if we get in like the rebels did in 22 and 2 and q's. 2 seed and it's not even a call.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We wont miss Hoover 2 years in a row or break school records for margin of defeat

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Will Rogers wasnt bad against ole miss. See, everybody can be wrong.... happens. Difference is one is a prediction and the other was after actually watching it.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

Who all figured this would happen? Raise your hand

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Is it o.k. to raise my hand just halfway? I thought initially he was ours. We seemed to have all the right connections but the longer this thing drug out (all the experts had all the excuses why) the more skeptical I became and it finally got to the point where I just accepted it wasn't going to happen.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

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C34 quite literally had a change of heart. He's a lot more fun of a poster since he's come back from the brink.

I think most everyone on the board is in agreement: Shitty season and Lemonis goes. 3 seed and 2-and-Q is gonezo. Make a super and he's for sure staying. It's that simple.

What's different is everyone's approach to that information. C34, myself, and others see a guy who's got a natty knowing he's up against a wall. There's some magic there and bucket man won't go without a whimper. It's way more fun to drink the State Koolaid and be the optimist than it is to be debbie downer for months. Even if you're right, who cares. You get momentary satisfaction in being right, whereas a dreamer gets months of satisfaction dreaming about what can be.

It's why the fun of lottery tickets isn't focusing on who will win and how astronomical it is you won't. It's spending $10 on the thought that you might and daydreaming about what you would do with it.

Anyways. Football season is almost here and we're going 15-0 until we're going 14-1. Hope springs eternal.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

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Lol you just keep contradicting yourself:

Ligon is a great get because we don't know know how much he'll improve next year... Molina had some bad starts so he's not an ace

See that soluble standard? Ignore Ligons bad starts for Miami and judge him on potential alone, but ignore Molinas potential -and his overall stats- to judge him solely on his WORST numbers.

Skenes had bad starts at Air Force. Bednar had bad starts in 21. Holman had bad starts at Bama. You know all this, you're not dumb. But you still pull from Molinas worst performances to pretend thatsbwhat he is. It's intellectually dishonest unless you're going to do that for all our guys too

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Originally Posted by Coach34

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing.

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Another thing- I'm not making "definative statements" on anyone. I'm stating FACTUAL STATISTICS FROM REAL BASEBALL GAMES!

Literally a page ago you said LSU will shell out for Portal players because they're "Proven", but not shell out for HS kids because theyre an unknown. So which is it? Are Portal player proven or are their stats irrelevant to whether or not we should pursue them?

Tater I have no issue with optimism because you'd rather be optimistic. That's great, good for you.

BUT, there's a difference between you (choosing optimism) and C34, who's contradicting g his own logic and cherrypicking stats to make said optimistic points. At least be honest about it you know?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Skenes had bad starts at Air Force. Bednar had bad starts in 21. Holman had bad starts at Bama. You know all this, you're not dumb. But you still pull from Molinas worst performances to pretend thatsbwhat he is. It's intellectually dishonest unless you're going to do that for all our guys too

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So Molina just happened to have bad starts against good teams? Kansas St was a good team????? Is this where we are now? Well, let's see. Kansas St lost to:

Lamar
Sam Houston
Iowa
Omaha
Lost 2/3 from 20-35 Baylor
St. Thomas (who the **** is that?)
Air Force
Nebraska
Wichita St x 2
UC Irvine

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Originally Posted by Coach34

So Molina just happened to have bad starts against good teams? Kansas St was a good team????? Is this where we are now? Well, let's see. Kansas St lost to:

Lamar
Sam Houston
Iowa
Omaha
Lost 2/3 from 20-35 Baylor
St. Thomas (who the **** is that?)
Air Force
Nebraska
Wichita St x 2
UC Irvine

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Kansas state was solid. Go look at their resume. But they were nothing special. He was good against them. But that has nothing to do with the point. Take them out.

He had 2 bad starts. One against a team that finished 4th in the country (TCU) and one against a team that went to a regional (Oklahoma).
He had 6 other starts against regional/super regional teams and had a 2.81 era over those 6 starts.

0 ER in 5.0 vs Iowa. Tourney team.
3 ER in 5.1 vs OK st. Regional host.
2 ER in 5.0 vs Texas. Super regional team.
2 ER in 4.2 vs West Va. Regional team.
1 ER in 6.0 vs West Va again. Regional team.
2 ER in 6.0 Va Top 10 UConn. Regional team.

Nobody is saying he is Skenes, but he's better than anything we had and would be our Friday night guy as of today, hands down. Everybody on this board knows that, including you.

It's hard to say Molina lost when he pitched against good teams while saying our Purdue guy is good outside two games, one to an awful OM team, and in a terrible conference. We bombed the portal. We could use Molina.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

It's hard to say Molina lost when he pitched against good teams while saying our Purdue guy is good outside two games, one to an awful OM team, and in a terrible conference. We bombed the portal. We could use Molina.

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It's sad when we did the same in the portal or less than Bianco after finishing dead last

we'll know by mid march to early april next year..........which sec teams who finished above msu this past year appear to have less overall talent in 24? I'll wait.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

It's hard to say Molina lost when he pitched against good teams while saying our Purdue guy is good outside two games, one to an awful OM team, and in a terrible conference. We bombed the portal. We could use Molina.

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And that was only two bad starts. Bednar had that in 2021.
He had 6 good starts against regional/super regional teams.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

we'll know by mid march to early april next year..........which sec teams who finished above msu this past year appear to have less overall talent in 24? I'll wait.

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Less talent in 2024 than they had in 2023? LSU for one.

We have a lot of young talent. We just have to get some young pitchers to develop fast.

I agree on pitchers needing to develop and LSU having less talent than in 23. If LSU is the only team who finished above MSU who has less talent in 24 then where will Lemo finish? does he press up hard and finish 10th or maybe strain for 9th place? I am still having issues understanding what Lemo will do different than the past 2 seasons.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

So Molina just happened to have bad starts against good teams? Kansas St was a good team????? Is this where we are now? Well, let's see. Kansas St lost to:

Lamar
Sam Houston
Iowa
Omaha
Lost 2/3 from 20-35 Baylor
St. Thomas (who the **** is that?)
Air Force
Nebraska
Wichita St x 2
UC Irvine

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Cherry picking from my comments I see to ignore almost everything I said. It's not unnoticed by the people reading the board

Anyway, your logic is still inconsistent and hypocritical:

Loftin had a double digit ERA vs the only 2 tournament teams he faced, yet you cite his overall stats to say he'll be good in 24. Loo and Holcombe had almost nothing but bad starts last year, but you want us to ignore all that and trust they'll get massively better because "tallent". Our Miami and Purdue transfers had bad starts and worse overall stats than Molina, yet you want us to ignore all that because they could improve.... but when it comes to Molina, suddenly every start is under a microscope to judge him only be the bad starts?

Would you like to discuss the 104IP sub 3 ERA 2nd team All American Kentucky got from the Portal? Or is he not a "Friday guy" either? Or is Kentucky another program we can't hope to ever beat for a Portal kid? Fact is there's a LOT of Portal arms we could have used and Lemo simply failed to get them

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Originally Posted by Pancho

I agree on pitchers needing to develop and LSU having less talent than in 23. If LSU is the only team who finished above MSU who has less talent in 24 then where will Lemo finish? does he press up hard and finish 10th or maybe strain for 9th place? I am still having issues understanding what Lemo will do different than the past 2 seasons.

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Well, the sentiment here is that we return a helluva lot and that is why we should be improved.

Offense/Defense- we return 1st base Hines, 2nd base Larry, SS Mershon, LF Jordan, and Catcher Highfill. We have upgraded at 3rd base with the Memphis trans so the infield will be pretty good. Now the questions are what do we get from Hugesak in CF? Who plays RF and DH? We have quality signees at SS and 1B (Cupp/Stevens) with the 1B kid a candidate at DH- he is supposed to be the next Hines. I think we have Chance and Downs returning- so they factor in also. Strong top of the line with questions at the bottom.

Pitching? My rotation would be:

Fri- Loftin
Sat- Holcombe
Sunday- Ligon
Midweek- Siary
Closer- Loo

Relief- Simmons, Dohm, Auger, Purdue, Tapper, Davis, Forsythe, Cheatham
True Freshmen- Grant/Dotson/Walsh....what can these guys give us? Grant and Dotson are pretty highly rated and should contribute. Dotson really needs to help with him being a Lefty.

To me- thats a regional team 2 seed at worst

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, the sentiment here is that we return a helluva lot and that is why we should be improved.

Offense/Defense- we return 1st base Hines, 2nd base Larry, SS Mershon, LF Jordan, and Catcher Highfill. We have upgraded at 3rd base with the Memphis trans so the infield will be pretty good. Now the questions are what do we get from Hugesak in CF? Who plays RF and DH? We have quality signees at SS and 1B (Cupp/Stevens) with the 1B kid a candidate at DH- he is supposed to be the next Hines. I think we have Chance and Downs returning- so they factor in also. Strong top of the line with questions at the bottom.

Pitching? My rotation would be:

Fri- Loftin
Sat- Holcombe
Sunday- Ligon
Midweek- Siary
Closer- Loo

Relief- Simmons, Dohm, Auger, Purdue, Tapper, Davis, Forsythe, Cheatham
True Freshmen- Grant/Dotson/Walsh....what can these guys give us? Grant and Dotson are pretty highly rated and should contribute. Dotson really needs to help with him being a Lefty.

To me- thats a regional team 2 seed at worst

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Will Pico not be able to pitch this year or did he leave the team?? I haven't heard or seen anyone mentioning him.

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Originally Posted by TStationDawg

Will Pico not be able to pitch this year or did he leave the team?? I haven't heard or seen anyone mentioning him.

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He's still here but had TJ surgery middle of the season so he's out next year too.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

He's still here but had TJ surgery middle of the season so he's out next year too.

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He will be at a year around April. While advancements have been made on that surgery- it's still unlikely to contribute at a year out. It's basically a 15 month rehab if all goes well.

So is this thread over now with Montgomerys official announcement? If so, I?m sad. It?s been a great thread.

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Originally Posted by bigbub50

So is this thread over now with Montgomerys official announcement? If so, I?m sad. It?s been a great thread.

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Over? Without reading back I thought the 'Montfomery is coming' crew was also mentioning secret transfers that didn't want their name out there. Shouldn't we be waiting on those secret commits?

The "montgomery is coming" crew had the best piece of insider info this site has had in a while. They called that wayyyyy before it was out there. AND they were right, but AM offered a stupid NIL deal to the kid. Also, F Lemonis for not landing a big fish from the portal.

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Originally Posted by raymonddawg

The "montgomery is coming" crew had the best piece of insider info this site has had in a while. They called that wayyyyy before it was out there. AND they were right, but AM offered a stupid NIL deal to the kid. Also, F Lemonis for not landing a big fish from the portal.

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You call your shots, you get some right and some wrong. You should soak in the credit for what you get right, but you also have to eat what you got wrong. This one was a miss, along with all the other thinly veiled mentions of other guys we were going to be getting.

This portal season was one massive L from Lemonis. And at the worst possible time. We might be halfway decent next year if enough guys progress, but Lemonis is gone soon one way or another. So I'd rather it go ahead and happen this year.

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Originally Posted by bigbub50

So is this thread over now with Montgomerys official announcement? If so, I?m sad. It?s been a great thread.

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This was a thread to honor our Elite Recruiting Head Coach.

Let?s spin this, somewhere a msu booster or boosters have saved approximately 500k-750k on these two major misses. A penny saved is a penny earned, dad always told me.