Lebby HC

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I really don't understand what your point is. So your sole existence in this thread is to have someone say "you were right, we couldn't get a sitting P5 head coach"? You don't know that. Nobody knows who all Selmon talked to or could have possibly gotten for the right price. Maybe we could have gotten some of those guys but we felt Lebby could get similar results or better for less money....you don't know, I don't know, nobody knows....so wth is your point? Do you need a Pat on the back this bad? You and Tater are insufferable with your repetitive "look at me" posts today.

Tater is not in support of Lebby, and you were proven right (in your mind) that we can't get a sitting P5 head coach. Congrats you two! Everyone is giving you a hand! Can we drop that crap now and just get behind the guy we ARE hiring?

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lol- it's always fun when people dont want to hear they were wrong just a week ago.

Bottom line is no one knows definitively if we have someone. So there's no one to support yet.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

But that's always been my point. We were never going to get any of those guys. And guys like Hoops told me I was crazy or whatever. But now Hoops is acting like we hired Kirby Smart and he is so pumped after saying we were above that

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I didn't figure we had a shot at either Kansas coach or Chadwell but a closed mouth never gets fed so we had to try and hope. I figured Herman would jump since he is making $700k so he was who I was really expecting.

Lebby may not win big here, but thank God we didn't hire a defensive guy that couldn't recruit a QB and runs a boring offense. We need excitement, we need something that drives butts into seats and money into NIL. If we can get anything close to the offense I saw yesterday in the OU/TCU game, we will achieve that. And at very worst, we will be in MUCH better shape for the next hire. Hopefully that will be a long time though

I'm half witted excited. Pisses me off he coached at Pissville U, I like Tater am very apprehensive about the history with Briles. I have to trust our administration they did their homework and trust the vetting process. Get good coordinators, jump on the recruiting trail and let's move forward.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

lol- it's always fun when people dont want to hear they were wrong just a week ago.

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They weren't proven wrong. And you weren't proven right. But who gives af other than you? Damn man, you are so consumed with attention it's mind blowing. Get over yourself. It's exhausting.

The constant trolling on here is getting old. Find myself reading here less and less because of it

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Originally Posted by Coach34

lmao- we didnt hire a sitting HC did we? Another Dub as usual

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By our own choice. We have three head coaches begging for our job.

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Originally Posted by Tater

We got left at the altar by Sumrall today. The meeting was a scramble to make the decision on Lebby. Lebby was a smokescreen until he wasn't.

And the thing is it's not breaking that he's our coach because he's weighing his options. He can sign at any time and take it, but he might just leave us hanging too.

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Yawn. Fake news. We'll never know. Sumrall is not what we need

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Originally Posted by confucius say

By our own choice. We have three head coaches begging for our job.

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ok- but when you tell people the top priority is a sitting HC- you look dumb when it isnt. One of those most of our fanbase had ranked above our apparent choice just 7 days ago

I'm pretty sure it was always Lebby. Tried telling people last night. It just made to much sense & I knew if Selmon was making this hire that's who it was going to be. My source was essentially a Senior player on the team & information gathering. I put two & two together days ago. Didn't need an "insider" to see the writing on the wall.

Sumrall was never a serious contender no matter what Steve say's in his "now that it's over" lol. I did fear that Keenum may have stepped in late & overrode Lebby, but even that didn't make sense after I got to thinking about Kendall Briles having an offer in hand last year. If they were willing to hire Briles, Lebby dang sure wasn't going to be turned down.

Elko, Fritz, Chaldwell & Lashlee were also never serious contenders.

Of course Selmon went through the process, but that was always going to happen. You always need a backup plan.

Btw, I got smart with ReallyClark? last night and shouldn't have. I apologize. I really do appreciate guys like him & Homedog among many others on this board, because they are way more knowledgeable about all things MSU than I am & definitely have way more sources.

Now let's go out and get a Portal QB, two O Linemen, a Tight End, a Linebacker, Rush End, a cornerback & two safety's & do whatever it takes to keep Zavion, Creed & Seth Davis & the WR/TE that transferred on last year & play in a NY6 bowl next year 😁

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Originally Posted by Coach34

ok- but when you tell people the top priority is a sitting HC- you look dumb when it isnt. One of those most of our fanbase had ranked above our apparent choice just 7 days ago

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It may look bad but it isn't nearly as bad as what was said before the Lem hire.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yawn. Fake news. We'll never know. Sumrall is not what we need

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Sumrall is higher floor and lower ceiling. He's exactly the guy we try to hire. He'll fit in well at Kentucky. Stoops at A&M is just weird. Even weirder the timing of it all today.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

The constant trolling on here is getting old. Find myself reading here less and less because of it

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Truth

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Originally Posted by Tater

Sumrall is higher floor and lower ceiling. He's exactly the guy we try to hire. He'll fit in well at Kentucky. Stoops at A&M is just weird. Even weirder the timing of it all today.

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No he isn't. We do not need a defensive coach. Sumrall is a dud

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I'm not going back into ancient times. Dantonio had them rolling through 2017, since then, except for one year, they've been middling. Had Mullen stayed we'd won 10 or 11 in 2018 and who knows he probably won at least 8 games/year through the present. We'd certainly be a higher status program had Mullen stayed.

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That's in the last 45 years. We haven't won one in 80. Should we just count the last ten??20??? Won't like that result either I'm afraid. But we didn't win 10 in 18. We didn't even win 9.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I'm pretty sure it was always Lebby. Tried telling people last night. It just made to much sense & I knew if Selmon was making this hire that's who it was going to be. My source was essentially a Senior player on the team & information gathering. I put two & two together days ago. Didn't need an "insider" to see the writing on the wall.

Sumrall was never a serious contender no matter what Steve say's in his "now that it's over" lol. I did fear that Keenum may have stepped in late & overrode Lebby, but even that didn't make sense after I got to thinking about Kendall Briles having an offer in hand last year. If they were willing to hire Briles, Lebby dang sure wasn't going to be turned down.

Elko, Fritz, Chaldwell & Lashlee were also never serious contenders.

Of course Selmon went through the process, but that was always going to happen. You always need a backup plan.

Btw, I got smart with ReallyClark? last night and shouldn't have. I apologize. I really do appreciate guys like him & Homedog among many others on this board, because they are way more knowledgeable about all things MSU than I am & definitely have way more sources.

Now let's go out and get a Portal QB, two O Linemen, a Tight End, a Linebacker, Rush End, a cornerback & two safety's & do whatever it takes to keep Zavion, Creed & Seth Davis & the WR/TE that transferred on last year & play in a NY6 bowl next year 😁

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We're all good buddy! We're all dawgs and just want the best for our university.

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Originally Posted by Tater

We got left at the altar by Sumrall today. The meeting was a scramble to make the decision on Lebby. Lebby was a smokescreen until he wasn't.

And the thing is it's not breaking that he's our coach because he's weighing his options. He can sign at any time and take it, but he might just leave us hanging too.

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I would say your source is really bad on this one, but you don't have one, you're just butthurt... Sumrall was never going to be the coach here.

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

It may look bad but it isn't nearly as bad as what was said before the Lem hire.

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agree there fo sho

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Originally Posted by Tater

Sumrall is higher floor and lower ceiling. He's exactly the guy we try to hire. He'll fit in well at Kentucky. Stoops at A&M is just weird. Even weirder the timing of it all today.

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some people are just weird

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I'm pretty sure it was always Lebby. Tried telling people last night. It just made to much sense & I knew if Selmon was making this hire that's who it was going to be. My source was essentially a Senior player on the team & information gathering. I put two & two together days ago. Didn't need an "insider" to see the writing on the wall.

Sumrall was never a serious contender no matter what Steve say's in his "now that it's over" lol. I did fear that Keenum may have stepped in late & overrode Lebby, but even that didn't make sense after I got to thinking about Kendall Briles having an offer in hand last year. If they were willing to hire Briles, Lebby dang sure wasn't going to be turned down.

Elko, Fritz, Chaldwell & Lashlee were also never serious contenders.

Of course Selmon went through the process, but that was always going to happen. You always need a backup plan.

Btw, I got smart with ReallyClark? last night and shouldn't have. I apologize. I really do appreciate guys like him & Homedog among many others on this board, because they are way more knowledgeable about all things MSU than I am & definitely have way more sources.

Now let's go out and get a Portal QB, two O Linemen, a Tight End, a Linebacker, Rush End, a cornerback & two safety's & do whatever it takes to keep Zavion, Creed & Seth Davis & the WR/TE that transferred on last year & play in a NY6 bowl next year 😁

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Agreed. With a Sumrall, Odom, whoever I don?t think you have any shot at convincing Creed to stay. With Lebby you have a shot. All you gotta do is show him Drake Stoops and point at his tape. Creed is a much more talented player. Now let?s get a QB that can throw it more than 10 yards downfield!!!

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No he isn't. We do not need a defensive coach. Sumrall is a dud

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I didn't say the guy we should hire. I'm saying he fits the MO of what we think works at MSU. He was choice 1. (Well, realistic choice 1.) I think he would suck here too and wouldn't be excited for it.

Edit apologies for unclear wording. Lots of messages hitting the phone right now. People are going nuts over Stoops to A&M apparently not being a joke / raise grab.

Does Tater not know that Sumrall wanted to stay and coach Troy in the bowl game? oh, the misinformed

lookout Tater, they be comparing you to 34 soon.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I would say your source is really bad on this one, but you don't have one, you're just butthurt... Sumrall was never going to be the coach here.

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That one lives in a permanent state of butthurt. I’m beginning to this he is Rosey.

Where has it been confirmed

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Why? because I like the hire and we didnt hire a sitting HC as I said we would have trouble doing? GFY

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Most programs do have a problem hiring sitting P5 coaches. Outside of two handfuls that shit isn?t happening. At least not with one you want.

90% of teams hire lower level HC or coordinator. Bama Florida Texas OSU Michigan Oklahoma and a few others like USC LSU and A&M are capable.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

Most programs do have a problem hiring sitting P5 coaches. Outside of two handfuls that shit isn?t happening. At least not with one you want.

90% of teams hire lower level HC or coordinator. Bama Florida Texas OSU Michigan Oklahoma and a few others like USC LSU and A&M are capable.

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absolutely. That's why my problem is with many of our posters during the search not being based in reality

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

The constant trolling on here is getting old. Find myself reading here less and less because of it

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It?s like we are ?playing cards with my 17ing brothers kids or something? on here. Tombstone if you were wondering

I like Steve but he's likely gonna write a fantasy post about "other" candidates when it's 100% confirmed to be Lebby simply to get some clicks lol. I can see it coming from miles away.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

absolutely. That's why my problem is with many of our posters during the search not being based in reality

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Right on

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I like Steve but he's likely gonna write a fantasy post about "other" candidates when it's 100% confirmed to be Lebby simply to get some clicks lol. I can see it coming from miles away.

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That one is no friend of state. His info is trash, and you are dead on about in it got the clicks.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

ok- but when you tell people the top priority is a sitting HC- you look dumb when it isnt. One of those most of our fanbase had ranked above our apparent choice just 7 days ago

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Nobody ever said our "top priority," above all else and no matter what, was to hire a sitting HC. Nobody said that. If you can hire a proven P5 one, sure. But if it's Odom and Sumrall and Fritz, lebby upside is higher

ETA: I do agree with you that many of our fans think our job is better than it is.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I like Steve but he's likely gonna write a fantasy post about "other" candidates when it's 100% confirmed to be Lebby simply to get some clicks lol. I can see it coming from miles away.

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The best part is gonna be when he tells you he knew all along ..... or by whatever day. When Jc left the ad office he got cutout from us. But kudos to him for working the phones to Ad's and agents and whoever. But he didn't get jack from here.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Now we need a good DC and then hit the portal

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This 110%!

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Nobody ever said our "top priority," above all else and no matter what, was to hire a sitting HC. Nobody said that. If you can hire a proven P5 one, sure. But if it's Odom and Sumrall and Fritz, lebby upside is higher

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Actually they did- all our beat writers, check writers, and message board big mouths said. We gloated about being a Top 20-25 job and we were not going to gamble on a coordinator this time. Stop trying to rewrite history now

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

That's in the last 45 years. We haven't won one in 80. Should we just count the last ten??20??? Won't like that result either I'm afraid. But we didn't win 10 in 18. We didn't even win 9.

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No one cares about what happened 45 years ago. Most don't even care about happened 10 years ago. Mich State hasn't won enough to be considered a power or blue blood.

I think we all realize what happened in 2018, that's why i added, if Dan had stayed, we'd won 10 or 11, we all agree on that. We'd won at least 8 every year since and we'd have a higher status as a program. None of that happened though, Dan left and we hired SloMo and we are where we are now.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Actually they did- all our beat writers, check writers, and message board big mouths said. We gloated about being a Top 20-25 job and we were not going to gamble on a coordinator this time. Stop trying to rewrite history now

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Please link me where anybody involved in the search said that our number 1 priority above all else was to hire a sitting head coach. Even if a message board big mouth or Paul or Rosey said it (and i didn't see where they did) doesn't matter.

The people gloating about us being a top 20-25 program may have said our number one priority regardless of anything else was to hire a sitting head coach, but they are insane and can't be trusted.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Actually they did- all our beat writers, check writers, and message board big mouths said. We gloated about being a Top 20-25 job and we were not going to gamble on a coordinator this time. Stop trying to rewrite history now

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But if we're sporting a tiny one with no chance to satisfy the woman of our dreams, then what's the point. Spend millions, win an Egg Bowl trophy 50% of the time and play postseason in Memphis. Is that why we're in this?!!?

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

To be fair, Georgia was a sleeping giant with a hell of a lot more resources than us.

We will see how it pans out.

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UGA has never been a sleeping giant - they have always been awake. They had three Nattys pre-Kirby. Other than a handful of seasons since WWII have they not been competing for at least SEC if not national titles. But, like the Braves, they tended to always choke from about '85- '20.