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Just to add this: I see what y'all are doing. In '17 we made a helluva Juco haul. Abrams and Sweat were studs, Chauncy Rivers was pretty damn good, etc. They were a big part of the '17 and '18 teams. I remember Peterson being involved with that haul. Now that might work to supplement but it ain't your base IMO. Mullen's base was the HS talent he recruited. Some were studs like Simmons and C. Jones, others were coached up to become studs.
LOL at the Leach Haters trying to pin this season on him.
Not because we couldn't score. And even tho those sophs fumbled and bumbled around, it was the bad call on the fumbled punt that cost us the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not pleased we lost to auburn; but probably worth noting at home, they've lost by a td to 2 top 10 teams
And no way a "bad call" coulda cost us a game on the road this year. No chance at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
ETA... still not sure it was a correct call on the int will threw at SC this season. Oh, and 30 on the road at SC, so we didn't lose bc of offense in that
Ain't that the damn truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I agree ... it's a moot point and doesn't matter but I've watched y'all argue with KB and BSD all summer. Some of y'all same way on the other side. If Leach were struggling like this right now, and maybe he would be, y'all would be ALL OVER this board saying "I told you so. Air Raid can't work in SEC".Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I personally don't care about the AR either way. I thought it would work with some tweaks. But just like when Zach came in and fired most of Leach's staff and started from scratch, I was same way with Leach. If he losing cause of recruiting, or cause he ain't tweaking his O, or whatever the reason, it all falls on him. I was waiting to see long term with Leach. And I said same thing when Zach basically started over. I said "we'll see how that works out for him".
When we have no one drafted this season for the first time in 15 years who should wear that?Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
No ... I'm saying we wouldn't be giving up 75% completions to those QBs and we'd be scoring a helluva a lot more points against these putrid Ds we're facing this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But it really doesn't matter. Y'all keep arguing it. What does matter is we got a lot of experienced players that right now look like they never played football before. And they "ain't got no talent and are "stupid"".
Before the season started we had players. First week or so of season C34 insisted to me that Marks was an NFL player (which I never thought so).Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We were promised that this offense would be so much better than last year's offense. A LOT of promises were made that have crashed and burned ... To fans AND to players.
What bothers me is why make those promises after evaluating in spring and fall camp? If coaches can't tell we ain't up to normal SEC levels in those camps but then are still making those promises ... Then they can't evaluate talent or execution worth a shit. If they could evaluate, they'd be quiet about it.
So if we had leach we would have for sure scored 38 to beat usc?? Some guarantee......Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
See what I mean SMFH. Y'all gonna keep arguing stupid shit like this forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
All I know is USCe is ranked 80th in scoring O and 109th in scoring D. Yea ... We should've beat them regardless of the coach.
Y'all??? You're the one that said we would be 6-2. So I guess you aren't part of the argument. Splendid.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
See my quote above. Good way to drop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
But naw ... you gotta get down into the minutia of individual games like this. Whatever. I'm dropping out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
All I know is we suck. Neither Leach or Mullen made excuses all the time when they were not performing like all of you, me, and the fanbase expect.
JoMo made excuses. I don't believe Zach has but I ain't hanging onto every word he says either.
Right now, I think we have a very long road in front of us. If this staff can turn it around great. If not, it might be a pretty long road.
ETA: I do believe Zach is regretting some decisions he has made based on advice he was given and/or people he listened to. Don't know for sure but his press conferences tend to make me think that might be the case.
So I'm supposed to drop it while you keep going. And the blame is on me, typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
They argued with me,...........and they lost. That really sticks in their craw right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I ain't in middle of all that. Doesn't matter now anyway relative to Leach and AR. You ain't helping any with your constant mantra either.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
What matters is we are playing the most pathetic competition we've faced goin back to early 2000s and we got a bunch of experienced players and can't beat those teams. And the Ds of those teams are especially horrible, and we can't score points.
I firmly believe Mullen would win no less than 8 games but I ain't gonna debate that back and forth all day either.
If you'll read my original quote I agreed with you that it all was moot now and getting down into those discussions didn't really matter. So IMO that was the out to just drop it. But many spend time doing just that. It's always about winning the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Regardless, we're playing really bad teams and we look like we never played football before. Doesn't matter who the coach is.
Very likely. We scored 40+ on Arkansas who had a similar defense to South Carolina last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Also with Arnett focused on defense I believe we hold them to under 30.
Complaining about Leach's recruiting when our current class is in the 40's and worse than any of Leach's is ironic.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Just like the 60's according to my grandfather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
That week in 1996 was pretty crazy. Everyone thought it was inevitable. That win over Bama in 1996 really changed the course of our program the next few years because who knows what would have happened with Wallace as our HC? I doubt we would have had the success we had in 1998 and are celebrating this weekend much less 1999.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Considering there 3-4 guys getting at least some pub for being drafted going into the year, I'd say it's Arnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
link?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
I saw one that mentioned Woody working his way into the mix- link us some more
You were swearing to me before season or after 1st game or so Marks was an NFL back and I told you he wasn't. JRob was a much better all-around back than Marks and he didn't make it. I love Woody and he is a good solid player but he's not elusive and doesn't have great vision in finding the hole. DJ was better. But you wanted to argue with me about it and I wasn't gonna waste time going back and forth with you on it for days on end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You were all excited about Hill replacing Aeris too and I was like "he better be damn good to replace a warrior that gained 1100 tough yds the year before and will block Bama LBs". Well, Hill was flash and no substance ... just like I thought he was.
But once again ... what-the-f***-ever. I ain't chasing a "link" down to prove my point cause I don't give that big a shit about it.
Getting drafted at rb is very hard. There's really good rbs that can be had as UDFAs every year.
I know. And you can be a really good college RB and not make the league. And I think Woody is a very solid RB, tho he's prone to injury. There are some backups that have flashed potential too ... Not sure why their production isn't higher but I'm guessing I know the answer to that probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
A) Wasnt talking to you. I clearly responded to CoachT14 for a link to the 3-4 guys getting some pub before the season he mentionedQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
B) I still think Woody gets a shot but his health issues probably make it as an UFA as opposed to a late round pick
I'm not wasting my time to go find some pre-season Mock Drafts for next year for you. You'd ignore the proof anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by CoachT14
You were just making shit up because you are mad that I'm right about our lack of talent
You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I had no Idea you were a preacher! Preach brother T... Preach!Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Making wrong predictions isn't the same as just making up things. Predictions by nature are opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
A preseason win / loss prediction is making up shit? That's not correctQuote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
I'm gonna throw this out there and ain't gonna argue it but it is true most of the time. A well coached very veteran team will win most games against average coached younger, more talented teams. Of course UGA and Bama are extremely well coached and extremely talented teams, as LSU may be on the offensive side too. So they are excluded.
And a well coached veteran team with our past few years recruiting rankings should be winning and scoring points against this year's competition. Especially since those teams had such a coaching turnover to top that off. But then ... I guess on the O side we did too but we also have an extremely veteran team on offense for sure.
Not gonna keep arguing all of this cause the excuses will keep just being twisted and turned, performance metrics or criteria will constantly be twisted and turned, all while opposing QBs every week are completing close to 80% against us, and we cannot score against scoring Ds who are ranked in the 50s and below. The excuses will just keep rolling in while the MSU football program is crashing and burning.
ETA: And people shouldn't consistently write checks their body can't cash relative to BOLD predictions. And if our coaches can't evaluate the talent and execution of our team in spring and fall camps enough to know we're gonna struggle in a normal SECW, much less this pathetic SECW, then I personally have no confidence in those coaches to evaluate anything really.
https://media.tenor.com/PVRcZBr_RLoA...ar-correct.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Bahahahaaha!!!! That is funny! And so true!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Homedawg, remind me to slap you next time I see you for starting this thread!
Will do Brahma
I think both things can be true. Leach's recruiting was below average and our current recruiting is not great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I do think we have a couple of really good playmakers committed, especially Stonka, but we are really lacking in the trenches. I am worried that we are going to be forced to go JUCO and Portal to get OL and DL for next year.
That's not what I was saying. He was crowing all off-season about how great Arnett was and how he was going to win a ton of games this year. Now he's crowing about how great winning 6 games is because Leach sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I don't want to hear from a damn thing from an idiot running around here crowing about how bad Leach was, that only thinks Arnett is good because he get's to be butt buddies with Arnett.