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10-19-2023, 01:19 PM
Quaoarsking

Herman would be a good hire. He didn't fail at Texas really at all.
10-19-2023, 01:37 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Jarius

You’re right. If you think a coach got fired for going 7-3 in a conference only schedule during COVID season we don’t need to continue the conversation. You know an exceptionally small amount about the University of Texas if you believe that.

It wasn't a conference only schedule
10-19-2023, 01:38 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

That’s better than the end of the Mack Brown Era post championship, the Charlie Strong Era, and better than Sark.

Maybe, just maybe, it’s a Texas issue not a Herman issue. His last year, Covid, he went 7-3 in an all Big 12 schedule. Didn’t get to play Kansas who was bad and blew out Colorado in the bowl game. There isn’t a single person we could hire this off-season with a better resume.

No he didn't. It wasn't an all big 12 schedule
10-19-2023, 01:45 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I posted this elsewhere. Let’s see if anyone tries to actually argue this.

What other coach that we could get has this as a resume
- Career Record - 57-25
- National Champion coach, Broyles Award Winner, AAC Coach of the Year
- mentored under the 2nd best coach in the modern era
- 6 Top 10 Scoring Offenses
- 6 Top 10 recruiting classes
- Undefeated in bowl games
- 5-0 in P5 games at Houston
- Ability to put together the best staff we’ve ever had here

I’ll see what the resident hob knobbers, that think Arnett and Brad are the cheese since they get to say they know guys on staff, want to try and argue around that.

You're counting accolades achieved as a coordinator?
10-19-2023, 01:50 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Who has beaten us with less talent than we have? I'll answer that for you- nobody

If that's the measuring stick, we would never win 6 games. Much less 8. We are the worst recruiter in the west
10-19-2023, 04:38 PM
Saltydog

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Nothing like a fired dude at a top 5 job that won 63% of his games.

Lane Kiffin only won 65% of his games at USC and that seems to be working out pretty well now doesn't it?
10-19-2023, 04:45 PM
DesotoDog1967

Seems the concensus is that Mrs Arnett should submit a change of address the end of November before the Christmas Cards start coming
10-19-2023, 04:58 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Lane Kiffin only won 65% of his games at USC and that seems to be working out pretty well now doesn't it?

Lane went back down for 6 years before he got another opportunity in a power conference.
10-19-2023, 05:06 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Lane Kiffin only won 65% of his games at USC and that seems to be working out pretty well now doesn't it?

Cool.
10-19-2023, 05:26 PM
PGHBulldogBG

Tom Herman gives me Houston Nutt, Dave Aranda and Jimbo vibes. Great for the first year or so with other coaches players but then starts to drop off when he has to recruit his own players and a bad talent evaluator. He declined at Houston after his first year and started declining at Texas after his second year. I want a coach like Chadwell that built a program from the ground up with his own recruits he got. Chadwell is showing this year he can win with other coaches players as well. He should be our main priority if we have to fire Arnett and he is a realistic hire
10-19-2023, 05:58 PM
Maroonthirteen

I'm looking forward to it, kinda. I'm anxious to see if the offense looks different. If the defense is improving.

However I dread it... in that if we lose.... the fan base will need strong meds and a ride to Whitfield for a few months.
10-19-2023, 06:01 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Tom Herman gives me Houston Nutt, Dave Aranda and Jimbo vibes. Great for the first year or so with other coaches players but then starts to drop off when he has to recruit his own players and a bad talent evaluator. He declined at Houston after his first year and started declining at Texas after his second year. I want a coach like Chadwell that built a program from the ground up with his own recruits he got. Chadwell is showing this year he can win with other coaches players as well. He should be our main priority if we have to fire Arnett and he is a realistic hire

I think Chadwell would be my first pick as well. Liberty hasn't missed a beat going from Freeze to him.
10-19-2023, 06:16 PM
RockyDog

I think Mike is gonna throw for 2 tuddies, run for 3 and stun the spike piggy crowd on Saturday afternoon
10-19-2023, 06:27 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You're counting accolades achieved as a coordinator?

Are they part of his coaching summary?

More than half of those accomplishments are HC accomplishments. But sure try to poke holes.
10-19-2023, 06:30 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by confucius say

No he didn't. It wasn't an all big 12 schedule

My bad. They played 1 game out of conference. Great job finding the random thing that doesn’t really effect what I stated.
10-19-2023, 10:52 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

My bad. They played 1 game out of conference. Great job finding the random thing that doesn’t really affect what I stated.

It absolutely affects it. 7-3 vs 6-3 is a difference.
10-19-2023, 10:55 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Are they part of his coaching summary?

More than half of those accomplishments are HC accomplishments. But sure try to poke holes.

I was just trying to determine your defined parameters. Because if we are including accolades achieved as an assistant, I can find a lot of people with spectacular resumes. I mean mullen is a 2 time national champion with top 3 recruiting classes.
10-20-2023, 06:58 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by confucius say

It absolutely affects it. 7-3 vs 6-3 is a difference.

Cool.
10-20-2023, 06:59 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I was just trying to determine your defined parameters. Because if we are including accolades achieved as an assistant, I can find a lot of people with spectacular resumes. I mean mullen is a 2 time national champion with top 3 recruiting classes.

Well I would take Mullen over our current shitshow.
10-20-2023, 07:03 AM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Well I would take Mullen over our current shitshow.

Yep.
10-20-2023, 07:51 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Well I would take Mullen over our current shitshow.

For sure. His numbers are at Florida are much better than Herman's at texas. I'm not saying Herman couldn't win here, but ******* resume is better.
10-20-2023, 12:36 PM
KB21

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10-20-2023, 12:50 PM
HancockCountyDog

I hate agreeing with KB21, but Herman would be a perfect fit.

First, he has won big games on a big damn stage. Second, he has a strong personality that we need. He talks shit to the other team, coaches, and fans. That is a good thing for MSU. We can't hire a Jomo or CZA that are bland and basically get zero media attention. He would put eyeballs on MSU, which is what we need in this NIL era.

We can't be bland. He isn't bland.

Also, if you take a close look at his record at Texas, it wasn't bad.
10-20-2023, 12:50 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I hate agreeing with KB21, but Herman would be a perfect fit.

First, he has won big games on a big damn stage. Second, he has a strong personality that we need. He talks shit to the other team, coaches, and fans. That is a good thing for MSU. We can't hire a Jomo or CZA that are bland and basically get zero media attention. He would put eyeballs on MSU, which is what we need in this NIL era.

We can't be bland. He isn't bland.

Also, if you take a close look at his record at Texas, it wasn't bad.

You don't like being correct?
10-20-2023, 12:53 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by KB21

You don't like being correct?

The mere fact that you won't admit that last year's defense carried us to 9 wins, tells me all I need to know about you being correct.
10-20-2023, 02:23 PM
KB21

Hmm. The negligence case against Art Briles has been dismissed. A federal judge ruled that there was no evidence he knew of any wrongdoing.

Hire Jeff Lebby and bring on Art as a senior offensive consultant.
10-20-2023, 02:59 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

Hmm. The negligence case against Art Briles has been dismissed. A federal judge ruled that there was no evidence he knew of any wrongdoing.

Hire Jeff Lebby and bring on Art as a senior offensive consultant.

That was just the one case vs the woman who lied in her deposition. Baylor settle the 15 other lawsuits in Sept because they did NOT want them going to trial.
10-20-2023, 03:07 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Hmm. The negligence case against Art Briles has been dismissed. A federal judge ruled that there was no evidence he knew of any wrongdoing.

Hire Jeff Lebby and bring on Art as a senior offensive consultant.

If you think briles did nothing wrong, just wow. Now, Lebby shouldn't be held back because of his relationship to him. And ain't no way we are bringing briles in, in any fashion. Just a joke.
10-20-2023, 08:27 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by KB21

Hmm. The negligence case against Art Briles has been dismissed. A federal judge ruled that there was no evidence he knew of any wrongdoing.

Hire Jeff Lebby and bring on Art as a senior offensive consultant.

Why not just hire Briles then if he is clear?
10-20-2023, 08:39 PM
Quaoarsking

Just as a reminder, these are Tom Herman's records:

HOUSTON
2015: 13-1 (#8)
2016: 9-3

TEXAS
2017: 7-6 (3 straight losing seasons before he got there)
2018: 10-4 (#9)
2019: 8-5 (#25)
2020: 7-3 (#19)

FLORDIA ALANTIC
2023: so far 3-3, with 2 losses to P5 teams. Also taking over a team with 2 straight losing seasons.

There's not going to be a more proven head coach out there that we could hire. That doesn't necessarily mean he's the #1 best choice for us, but he'd be a very solid hire. The fact that Texas fired him after 3 straight ranked finishes is not a reason for us not to hire him.

Even in the 3-loss season that got him fired, he had a 3-point loss to the team that finished #9, a 4OT loss to the team that finished #6, and an OT loss to a team that finished unranked but with a winning record.
10-20-2023, 08:58 PM
schddog72

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I have the feelings I had during the Shira, Felker, Croom and JoMo years. I actually thought we were beyond this after 60 years of being a State fan.

I haven't felt this low about Bulldog football since the 74 - 0 drubbing at Houston in 1969.
10-20-2023, 09:41 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by schddog72

I haven't felt this low about Bulldog football since the 74 - 0 drubbing at Houston in 1969.

Right off the bat Jack says "I think we may set some bad records tonight"!
10-20-2023, 09:50 PM
Schultzy

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Well I would take Mullen over our current shitshow.

He wouldn't take you
10-20-2023, 11:41 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by schddog72

I haven't felt this low about Bulldog football since the 74 - 0 drubbing at Houston in 1969.

Were you in a coma during the Croom years? He lost to freaking Maine

Holy shit the hyperbole around this place
10-21-2023, 12:14 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by schddog72

I haven't felt this low about Bulldog football since the 74 - 0 drubbing at Houston in 1969.

You missed a lot of years that sucked way worse than this one.
10-21-2023, 12:15 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Were you in a coma during the Croom years? He lost to freaking Maine

Holy shit the hyperbole around this place

Or tech and ten. ..... and numerous 3-8 records since that time as well back when we were playing 11 games.
10-21-2023, 12:16 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Were you in a coma during the Croom years? He lost to freaking Maine

Holy shit the hyperbole around this place

Or tech and ten. ..... and numerous 3-8 records since that time as well back when we were playing 11 games.
10-21-2023, 01:10 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Just as a reminder, these are Tom Herman's records:

HOUSTON
2015: 13-1 (#8)
2016: 9-3

TEXAS
2017: 7-6 (3 straight losing seasons before he got there)
2018: 10-4 (#9)
2019: 8-5 (#25)
2020: 7-3 (#19)

FLORDIA ALANTIC
2023: so far 3-3, with 2 losses to P5 teams. Also taking over a team with 2 straight losing seasons.

There's not going to be a more proven head coach out there that we could hire. That doesn't necessarily mean he's the #1 best choice for us, but he'd be a very solid hire. The fact that Texas fired him after 3 straight ranked finishes is not a reason for us not to hire him.

Even in the 3-loss season that got him fired, he had a 3-point loss to the team that finished #9, a 4OT loss to the team that finished #6, and an OT loss to a team that finished unranked but with a winning record.

Also as far as this season he has his team in a tie for first place in their division in the AAC despite it being year one and a 3-3 record. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a run here the last six games of the season.
10-21-2023, 06:04 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Why not just hire Briles then if he is clear?

Too old.
10-21-2023, 06:25 AM
Pancho

Herman or Lebby would be great hires if they are allowed to hire a complete staff totally void of interference.

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