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Originally Posted by Pancho

KB21 and Homedawg evidently have a strong dislike for MSU. stfu

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What's my dislike? I'm

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Originally Posted by Pancho

KB21 and Homedawg evidently have a strong dislike for MSU. stfu

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This is a terribly misguided post. Homedawg??? I think you need to do some research.

So, if you don?t like caveman football, you must not like Mississippi State?

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, if you don?t like caveman football, you must not like Mississippi State?

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It is past time for this one to go, adds nothing to any discussion at all just bombs thread after thread. I?ll hang up and listen for a while.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

It is past time for this one to go, adds nothing to any discussion at all just bombs thread after thread. I?ll hang up and listen for a while.

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Exactly. I?m all for differing opinions, and that?s part of why this is a great message board. KB21 isn?t wanting discussion, though. He wants to be unbearable. Once you?ve stated your position, let it be.

I still move he be banned.

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, if you don?t like caveman football, you must not like Mississippi State?

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And we haven't played a snap of the new offense. Not one. You're complaining to complain.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

And we haven't played a snap of the new offense. Not one. You're complaining to complain.

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More fuel for fire with this one.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Let me know when Bump is selected by the AFCA for the 35 under 35 leadership conference and becomes an offensive coordinator.

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Man, how could we ever hope to hire another of these 35 under 35 guys? David Stuckman, Ray Pickering, Nate Letton, Kris McCullough. Rarified air, to be sure.

Even Leach wouldn't agree with you on the AR. No weaknesses and a perfect system? My gosh dude. EVERY offense has an 'answer' for every defense called. If there was an offense that didn't have an answer for one type of defense, it would easily be the worst offense ever designed. People said the same about the triple option, you wanna run that?

Drew Piscopo thinks we made a mistake?! What will we ever do? DREW PISCOPO?!?!

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, if you don?t like caveman football, you must not like Mississippi State?

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Do you see anything positive about our upcoming season, coaching staff, and players or should I prepare myself for a "Tech and 10" with an additional loss?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Do you see anything positive about our upcoming season, coaching staff, and players or should I prepare myself for a "Tech and 10" with an additional loss?

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Offensively, no.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Man, how could we ever hope to hire another of these 35 under 35 guys? David Stuckman, Ray Pickering, Nate Letton, Kris McCullough. Rarified air, to be sure.

Even Leach wouldn't agree with you on the AR. No weaknesses and a perfect system? My gosh dude. EVERY offense has an 'answer' for every defense called. If there was an offense that didn't have an answer for one type of defense, it would easily be the worst offense ever designed. People said the same about the triple option, you wanna run that?

Drew Piscopo thinks we made a mistake?! What will we ever do? DREW PISCOPO?!?!

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Is that Joes son? Lol

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, if you don?t like caveman football, you must not like Mississippi State?

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To be fair you call it "leach hate" when stats are posted to show how we underperformed

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Originally Posted by KB21

So, if you don?t like caveman football, you must not like Mississippi State?

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If you don’t have a spreadsheet in front of you, you’d have no idea what football even was.

For a staff that was supposedly cobbled together by an unprepared ZA and the predictions of all of the players we were going to lose...crickets from those posters. ZA is sharp, prepared and recruits well. The staff is doing well so far.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

For a staff that was supposedly cobbled together by an unprepared ZA and the predictions of all of the players we were going to lose...crickets from those posters. ZA is sharp, prepared and recruits well. The staff is doing well so far.

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Well not crickets from all posters lol! But yeah Arnett has done a great job keeping and adding players, filling out the roster and building his staff!

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Well not crickets from all posters lol! But yeah Arnett has done a great job keeping and adding players, filling out the roster and building his staff!

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Well I said posters not obnoxious ignorant trolls. But I get your point. Lol

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well I said posters not obnoxious ignorant trolls. But I get your point. Lol

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True!!!

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

This is a terribly misguided post. Homedawg??? I think you need to do some research.

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Just leave this goof KB21 alone. He's got ole miss, grove level intellect and makes the whole board look bad.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Two of the guys Arnett fired immediately became OC's. Miller will without a doubt land on his feet somewhere as well. I may be wrong but I kind of doubt that if we fired Bumphis he would become an OC. Hughes is the same difference as Washington. Barbay is an unknown and likely a downgrade from Leach. Friend will probably be OK but we'll be fortunate if he is as good as Miller. Schmidt I think was brought in to help Arnett more than anything and give him someone he trusts. Turner can recruit better than Phelps but Phelps wasn't bad. Literally know nothing about Dewhurst. I imagine Hopson will help him out.

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Only took Spurier Jr 29 years to get an OC job, and CZA wasnt going to give the OC reigns to a guy thats never been an OC
With Miller we can wait and see what happens with him but the 2 hires we made at OL / TE coach are very solid hires
And Bump is a big time get for us.. and if anyone doubts that he is very wrong .. again how many WR have we put in the league since Eric Moulds???.


Guys sadly Mike Leach is gone. I dont care who you hire for the HC or OC its never going to be the Mike Leach version of the Ari raid..
Did it work here ? Yes and No
Did Moorheads offense work here ? Yes and No
Did Dans offense work here ? Yes and No
Will what ever offense CZA brings in work here .? Odds are yes and no

Bottom line everyone get the **** over it , and get behind the new blood that is MSU football ..

Greg Knox is back. I like this. We now have the the 2 coaches with the highest winning percentages in school history.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Only took Spurier Jr 29 years to get an OC job, and CZA wasnt going to give the OC reigns to a guy thats never been an OC
With Miller we can wait and see what happens with him but the 2 hires we made at OL / TE coach are very solid hires
And Bump is a big time get for us.. and if anyone doubts that he is very wrong .. again how many WR have we put in the league since Eric Moulds???.


Guys sadly Mike Leach is gone. I dont care who you hire for the HC or OC its never going to be the Mike Leach version of the Ari raid..
Did it work here ? Yes and No
Did Moorheads offense work here ? Yes and No
Did Dans offense work here ? Yes and No
Will what ever offense CZA brings in work here .? Odds are yes and no

Bottom line everyone get the **** over it , and get behind the new blood that is MSU football ..

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I'll say this:

1. I pray that we never have to do a coaching search without an AD in place ever again.

2. I hope it works. But I have some doubts.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'll say this:

1. I pray that we never have to do a coaching search without an AD in place ever again.

2. I hope it works. But I have some doubts.

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I heard all i needed to hear in the interview with Charlie and Bart. Barbay said you have to run the ball to win. No, you don't.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'll say this:

1. I pray that we never have to do a coaching search without an AD in place ever again.

2. I hope it works. But I have some doubts.

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Yeah because these hires panned out so well with an AD in place
Moorhead
Cannizaro
Nikki McCray

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Originally Posted by KB21

I heard all i needed to hear in the interview with Charlie and Bart. Barbay said you have to run the ball to win. No, you don't.

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Not running it sure didn’t win many games in 2020 ....

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Originally Posted by KB21

I heard all i needed to hear in the interview with Charlie and Bart. Barbay said you have to run the ball to win. No, you don't.

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Well name one then.................

https://theathletic.com/980870/2019/...t-dead-either/

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Have you ever watched in frustration as your favorite team inexplicably runs the ball up the middle with little or no success? Do you find yourself thinking, What are they doing? Why don’t they throw the ball more? Am I crazy?

You’re not crazy. The analytics backs up your belief that this type of play calling is illogical.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well name one then.................

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Who ever wins the 7 on 7 summer tourneys.
Too bad for KB21 college football and the sec aren’t 7 on 7. If so All of his ignorance would actually hold water

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Yeah because these hires panned out so well with an AD in place
Moorhead
Cannizaro
Nikki McCray

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Was unaware that we had to have Cohen as AD or no one.**

How did Greg Byrne work out here?

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Originally Posted by KB21

I heard all i needed to hear in the interview with Charlie and Bart. Barbay said you have to run the ball to win. No, you don't.

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Well good, that puts that to rest for you then. You can finally quit following State and go root for another team that fits your opinion of offense. I'm sure they have plenty of message boards that will welcome you with open arms.

With all that said, here are the recommendations from the analytics community:

1. Don’t invest heavily in your run game because it doesn’t correlate with winning

2. Use more play action because it’s more effective than drop-back passing and it has proved to work without having to “establish the run”

3. Don’t run the ball into eight-man boxes

4. Test the limits of passing, don’t force the run “unnecessarily”

5. Use the pass to set up the run (run when defenses start to adjust to pass)

6. Deception in all its forms is the most important element in offense

7. The run game is valuable in short-yardage situations, in the red zone and for running out the clock.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Was unaware that we had to have Cohen as AD or no one.**

How did Greg Byrne work out here?

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Just making a point where we had a AD in place and bad hires were made.
If CZA doesn’t win then I’m sure Zach will have a replacement lined up

Its like you are fishing to find a reason to dislike the hire. If you don’t like , all good.. but let’s at least let CZA have a cup of coffee before we start comparing him to Sly Croom

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well good, that puts that to rest for you then. You can finally quit following State and go root for another team that fits your opinion of offense. I'm sure they have plenty of message boards that will welcome you with open arms.

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Nah. I think I'll continue to do what I've done all my life. This little experiment with Coach Meathead will end in a couple of years, and with Zac's history of being around the Air Raid and Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma, I'm 95% certain that he will replace Meathead with an intelligent Air Raid guy.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Just making a point where we had a AD in place and bad hires were made.
If CZA doesn’t win then I’m sure Zach will have a replacement lined up

It?s like you are fishing to find a reason to dislike the hire. If you don’t like , all good.. but let’s at least let CZA have a cup of coffee before we start comparing him to Sly Croom

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Absolutely!

That interview with Barbay actually put me a little more at ease.

1. He considers himself a TX high school football coach and talked about the roots his family has in TX. That eased my concerns about losing TX as a recruiting ground.

2. He talked about all the different offenses his offensive philosophy has morphed from. Specifically mentioned Todd Dodge and Todd doesn't run Pro Style.

3. Also specifically said his offense is NOT PRO STYLE.

4. Mentioned that he uses tempo and will go basketball on grass if he sees the opportunity.


And yes, you do actually have to run the ball to win.

2022 UGA 557 rushes/492 passes (53/47 rush to pass)
2021 UGA 545 rushes/407 passes (57/43 rush to pass)
2020 Bama 477 rushes/ 425 passes (53/47 rush to pass)
2019 LSU 494 rushes/567 passes (47/53 rush to pass)

So those are the last 4 national champions with a combined record of 57-1 who on average were around 52/48 rush to pass

Now here's us the last 3 years since Leach was only here 3

2020- 204 rush/557 pass (27/73 rush to pass)
2021- 270 rush/ 704 pass (28/72 rush to pass)
2022- 295 rush/634 pass (32/68 rush to pass)

So our 3 year record was 20-17. So as you can see that is just slightly worse than those teams that won the national championship. Also, it's probably no coincidence that our most wins came when we rushed the ball more.

Now my last point, everyone wants to talk about beating Alabama and the offense you have to run to do it. Let's look at Ole Miss in the two games that they beat Bama in 14 and 15 and then look at them this year when they were ball in air from beating them.

2014- 32 rushes/31 passes. So basically 50/50. And even though they only had 76 rushing yards, they kept Bama honest because the threat was there to actually run and not run some shit dump off that got blown up in the backfield or a yd from the LOS.

2015- 32 rushes/33 passes. Again 50/50. They only had 92 yds rushing but the threat that they may run an actual running play let them throw over the top and not crappy 3 yd slant routes and they had 341 yds passing.

2022- 49 rushes/32 passes. 60/40 run to pass. They had 191 yds rushing and 212 yds passing on just 18 completions. That's balance. They were able to take shots because the defense wasn't in some version of Cover 3 90% of the game. It would take Will 28 passes in the Leach Air Raid to get to 200 yds.


I say all that to say this: YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RUNNING GAME TO WIN AND COMPETE WITH EVERYONE.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Nah. I think I'll continue to do what I've done all my life. This little experiment with Coach Meathead will end in a couple of years, and with Zac's history of being around the Air Raid and Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma, I'm 95% certain that he will replace Meathead with an intelligent Air Raid guy.

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Got it, you want to continue to be an obnoxious tool with little of understanding of the game in the real world. Good luck with that.

And don't forget, you may not be here by the end of this season anyway. .

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

That interview with Barbay actually put me a little more at ease.

1. He considers himself a TX high school football coach and talked about the roots his family has in TX. That eased my concerns about losing TX as a recruiting ground.

2. He talked about all the different offenses his offensive philosophy has morphed from. Specifically mentioned Todd Dodge and Todd doesn't run Pro Style.

3. Also specifically said his offense is NOT PRO STYLE.

4. Mentioned that he uses tempo and will go basketball on grass if he sees the opportunity.


And yes, you do actually have to run the ball to win.

2022 UGA 557 rushes/492 passes (53/47 rush to pass)
2021 UGA 545 rushes/407 passes (57/43 rush to pass)
2020 Bama 477 rushes/ 425 passes (53/47 rush to pass)
2019 LSU 494 rushes/567 passes (47/53 rush to pass)

So those are the last 4 national champions with a combined record of 57-1 who on average were around 52/48 rush to pass

Now here's us the last 3 years since Leach was only here 3

2020- 204 rush/557 pass (27/73 rush to pass)
2021- 270 rush/ 704 pass (28/72 rush to pass)
2022- 295 rush/634 pass (32/68 rush to pass)

So our 3 year record was 20-17. So as you can see that is just slightly worse than those teams that won the national championship. Also, it's probably no coincidence that our most wins came when we rushed the ball more.

Now my last point, everyone wants to talk about beating Alabama and the offense you have to run to do it. Let's look at Ole Miss in the two games that they beat Bama in 14 and 15 and then look at them this year when they were ball in air from beating them.

2014- 32 rushes/31 passes. So basically 50/50. And even though they only had 76 rushing yards, they kept Bama honest because the threat was there to actually run and not run some shit dump off that got blown up in the backfield or a yd from the LOS.

2015- 32 rushes/33 passes. Again 50/50. They only had 92 yds rushing but the threat that they may run an actual running play let them throw over the top and not crappy 3 yd slant routes and they had 341 yds passing.

2022- 49 rushes/32 passes. 60/40 run to pass. They had 191 yds rushing and 212 yds passing on just 18 completions. That's balance. They were able to take shots because the defense wasn't in some version of Cover 3 90% of the game. It would take Will 28 passes in the Leach Air Raid to get to 200 yds.


I say all that to say this: YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RUNNING GAME TO WIN AND COMPETE WITH EVERYONE.

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Good points Steve

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Got it, you want to continue to be an obnoxious tool with little of understanding of the game in the real world. Good luck with that.

And don't forget, you may not be here by the end of this season anyway. .

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You think he realizes that Lincoln doesn't run Mike's Air Raid? He runs Dana's and Art's. He's between 48-52% run every year that he's been a HC.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You think he realizes that Lincoln doesn't run Mike's Air Raid? He runs Dana's and Art's. He's between 48-52% run every year that he's been a HC.

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Not if the Athletic didn't write an article about it.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You think he realizes that Lincoln doesn't run Mike's Air Raid? He runs Dana's and Art's. He's between 48-52% run every year that he's been a HC.

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That's b/c they realized Leach's flaw in his scheme, not running the ball enough. We all talked about it for three years. Even guys like me that defended Leach wanted to see more rushing attempts instead of a bunch of 3 yard dump offs.

Since I'm having fun pissing in KB's cornflakes and he wants to bring up Lincoln Riley, let's look at ole Linc's splits:

2022- 473 rushes/ 515 passes (48/52 run to pass)
2021- 448 rushes/ 403 passes (53/47 run to pass)
2020- 419 rushes/ 362 passes (53/47 run to pass)
2019- 565 rushes/ 381 passes (60/40 run to pass)
2018- 527 rushes/401 passes (57/43 run to pass)
2017- 546 rushes/ 433 passes (56/44 run to pass)