The more and more comes out, the more it looks like you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
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The more and more comes out, the more it looks like you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
In Year 1 we dont need All-SEC types at TE. Just bring in a couple guys that are physical. Then recruit better players there. We can still go alot of 3 wide
Here are the words of APP St:Quote:
Originally Posted by 662dawg
Mississippi State called Kevin Barbay yesterday afternoon, he interviewed last night, and he took the job this morning.
That's not a well ran process.
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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Arnett has been interviewing people and nobody really impressed him. Barbay interviewed and Arnett knew he had found his guy.
Thomas is trolling y'all
We interviewed multiple candidates but none, outside of Briles last week, were offered the job. The coaches spent a lot of time on this and knew what they were looking for. When they interviewed Barbay they knew within 15 minutes he was the guy. He fits. In personality and in philosophy with what ZA wanted. This was NOT a rushed hire or a panic hire. He was the guy and ZA knew it almost immediately. If it works, time will tell but this was as a very well thought out search.
Look at all the guys we know he targeted / discussed the job with, Briles, Littrell, Kittley, Johns, Cramsey, Candle, Nagle, and Barbay. What is a common thread among most of. If not all of those candidates. Their offensive output analytics are some of the top of the profession. ZA is smart and most definitely had a well thought out plan of what and who he was looking for.
Or that we were turned down multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He was interviewed at the convention. Now he may have had a second interview last night & then offered, that I don't know. But word on the screet is he WAS interviewed in Charlotte.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
So we're going off of Dave Bartoo's matrix to hire our offensive coordinator?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Comforting.**
The only guy that remotely fits our personnel on that list is Kittley.
Play calling is important- but having players that fit is perhaps even more important. For example- Dan Mullen as a play caller with Dak had better numbers than Dan Mullen with Tyson Lee and Chris Relf.
That's going to be a HUGE issue for us next year unless Barbay can actually adjust his scheme to his talent. Which in my experience watching football pretty much never happens. And when someone actually does try to adjust their personnel to the scheme it never maximizes the production because those players are put in positions where they aren't maximized so it's essentially a waste of talent.
Again- MSU fans falling for the "we can outscheme them" trap while grossly undervaluing the importance of players and their actual skill sets.
There's NO WAY you are not a troll at this point. No way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Well done. You've ruffled a couple of folk's feathers.
Ehhh my only concern is will on deep play action. I am cautiously optimistic but would feel better if he had a little better arm. I am envisioning lame ducks floatingQuote:
Originally Posted by 662dawg
Kittley ran the ball 40 times per game this year including 48 times against Ole Miss. He adapts well, just like Barbay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Mullen, was very good at that. Relf offense was not like Russell offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Please show where in my post I said anything about just out scheming our opponents and undervaluing the importance of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You know as well as anyone the importance of analytics. Some look at it harder than others, sure. But it's foolish to completely disregard it. I know you wouldn't care if it was an air raid guy that Barton liked and we hired. Because Kittley is right on that list, that leaves him out in your opinion then, right?
Barbay can and has run offense not predicated on a running QB. We don't have that so that fits. He is creative in getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers. We have several of those, so that fits. Tulu, Marks, Price, etc. can absolutely eat with his offense. Another check. His OL scheme fits our players. That fits. So what if he is not air raid, we have players that absolutely work under his scheme. We need TE's and QB, for sure. Guess what, we would have needed that with Kittley as well. I know it's Air Raid or nothing with you for some reason but that's not the only offense can adapt for players and skill set.
The biggest thing with Kittley is he typically runs more tempo. That means more plays- which means more opportunities to run or pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by 662dawg
And then there is Brandon Holloway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Which was a top 10 offense in school historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I was making more of an "in general" statement about the MSU fanbase than a personal statement directed at you. You just happened to have the misfortune of having the post I responded to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Analytics is important- but much like baseball it also requires context. It's not simply as black and white as "hire this guy and it will work no matter who your players are". Which is on the surface what it appears Arnett has done. I mean I've seen football analytics that says you are better off passing on every down except for third and 1. Doesn't mean that we should do that.
The reality about scheme is all of these coordinators can draw up something that works. The players have to make it work. This dude uses a H-Back a lot- and multiple ones. We're just assuming Antonio Harmon is OK doing that. Our fans are just assuming Woody can make it through the season and he is injury prone. What WR is going to consistently catch those deep balls? We're not going to magically get more consistent there because it's man coverage and we're running the ball more or whatever false football bravado some of our fans come up with. We're going to be asking our offensive line to do stuff that they haven't done a lot of three year but hey it will work because they're offensive linemen and they like this! What kind of analytical logic is any of that? This is absolutely going to be a big transition for our players. I mean at one time we were talking ourselves into Joe Moorhead's scheme being seamlessly translated too.
The biggest reason I want to run the Air Raid is because that would be the easiest transition for our players who are mostly veteran players. I don't really care what the run pass ratio is within that Air Raid framework. And by the way I think Kittley would have been able to build on what we were doing in a big way because of our players familiarity with a lot of the scheme. Running the Air Raid gives us the best chance to have a highly successful year next year of 9-10 wins during the regular season. That's what this is about for me.
Yeah. Because of Dak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I just think the assumption that our players are too deficient mentally and / or physically to run this offense is a big stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I had no problem with Kittley but he wasn't coming and never was. Bringing him up doesn't do anything for your argument. He is a non-entity in our OC search once he let us know he wasn't interested.
So the question is where do you go from there? You gauge the interest of who fits what you want and you can legitimately hire. When you strip away the ones who are not interested you get the best guy you can. Air Raid is irrelevant at that point. And honestly the candidates left who would consider being OC for us and run Air Raid, were not available. Hatcher wasn't coming, we didn't contact him and he didn't contact us because he is not giving up running a program. Harrell was already under contract elsewhere. Arbuckle, you cannot consider him at this point. He was an assistant in HS just 2 years ago, a quality analysis in 2021 and 1 year as OC following Kittley and with Helton making sure of the game plan. Way too risky. He may be great but you cannot take that risk. So who?
Honestly I would have gone Arbuckle. No it's not without risk but I believe if a guy is talented his age doesn't matter. Gus Mahlzahn was hired by Arkansas as OC straight out of high school. Wazzu certainly isn't worried about his age. I value scheme fit and coaching talent over experience. I just think Arbuckle is a very talented coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Looks like we're back to running the ball. OL....get ready to learn smashmouth blocking again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
Well it's debatable if he was available and may have signed a MOU with Wazzou prior, so that might have been problematic or a complete stopper anyway. But let's say he was, I agree age doesn't have to matter. But there's no way hiring a guy who has 1 year of on the field experience to come into a league where the vast majority of the best defensive minds in football line across the field nearly every Sat makes sense. Wazzou plays in a conference that's hasn't played for a title in over a decade, we play in a division with 3 different winners in 12 years. It's such different leagues that 1 year experience spells disaster and you want to pair a first time head coach with someone with virtually no college coaching experience, that's just a bad hire and decision. You are doing this to stay married to a scheme, that really seems foolish. I hope he does well and will probably put up good numbers in the PAC-12, I think it's a noticeable gap between experience and coaching ability of him and Kittley at WKU, that Kittley is another level ahead of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Malzhan did. I'll give you that but he had been running his own programs for 8 years in HS, recruiting to it at Shiloh, and invented an offensive philosophy while in HS that was really unique and groundbreaking. He had even written a book on it a few years before ARK and a whole coaching video series. That's a huge difference where he was vs Arbuckle. Worlds apart between those two. Not to mention Ark wanted his players, especially Mustain and Williams and hired Gus to get them. Frank Broyles wanted his innovation and insisted Nutt hire him. Then ran him off after a year or he tan himself off, depends on who you ask.
This may be true. But Holloway up the middle, only to get blown up, was pretty atrocious. ?Holloway up the middle? wouldn?t be a thing if wasn?t atrocious. I?m sure Dan didn?t want to be predictable, but it was done waaay too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He's more proven than any air raid guy left that we could've pulled.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Hopefully everyone here is smart enough to understand that the offense in year 1 will look much different than the offense will in year 2 . Unless something dramatic happens between now and say fall practice
I don’t care who we hired as OC , this statement would have been true for them as well
So saying that , from what I have been told and yeah I have contacts this was a good hire. He was in the top 3 choices for the OC opening at South Carolina
We could have done much much worse
You mean the OL that was in the top 3rd of the SEC in every OL metric? The same OL that returns all but 1 guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
No he doesn't, he was more 11 or 12 personnel at App State. At CMU, he was that, plus a mix of 10 personnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Please list the modern AR candidates that had more than 2 years of top scoring 35 offenses that we should have offered and could've gotten?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I'm guessing Arnett being a defensive guy would be more conservative if anything. But who knows.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
That a way to tote that company water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Some of y'all are losing your minds over the OC hire. And it's obvious y'all would have acted like this regardless of who we hired. That offense we watched the past few years is gone. It was gone the minute Coach Mike Leach passed away. We would not have been able to hire anyone and make them run that offense. Thank God CZA wanted to tweak it or move away from it and run something modern like Tennessee and schools like that run. Y'all have cried enough. Man up and accept that we have changed and let's see what happens.
Leach was going to win 7 or 8 at the most next year. We can still do that but it's gonna take a lot of hard work.
Fire Barbay!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
Most people thought Briles was a great option, and Barbary runs a fairly similar offense. He's going to use multiple personnel types. What he did at App St was due to the players he had. Same at his previous stop. Will be same here. He's flexible. And that's something we haven't been since Mullen was here.
I'm all in for being flexible, no reason why we can't adjust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I think some people became air raid fans more than they were MSU fans. They liked the status that came from being an "air raid" offense like it somehow made us good. Truthfully, we were pretty mediocre. CML is a legend and his legacy will live forever, but his offense here got romanticized into something it's not. I believe that's why some people are losing their shit over this hire.
You nailed it. This is an extremely accurate post.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Yep/Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
App. State has finished the last 3 seasons in the top 30 in total offense. Nothing new for them. Their program has been built on toughness and high character. He benefited from this.