If Will gets hurt in the first q it won't matter. We will get dusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
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If Will gets hurt in the first q it won't matter. We will get dusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
I would argue the 2009 team dan inherited had more nfl guys than the 2020 team leach inherited. We will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I've long said Leach = Dan as far as what his record will be here.
Does Dan get no credit for signing McPhee, banks, white, bumphis, cox, and Boyd? Even if they didn't all commit to mullen, they signed with himQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
No they didn't. First, We played uga with 43 scholarship players and OM with slightly more. Other teams (OM) cancelled their games in that scenario. Second, Playing 10 straight sec games wears on you when have no depth. Playing 10 straight is a lot different for State than it is for bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I think he has to get some credit, yes. Especially for bumphis and to a lesser degree for cox. That may have been one of Dan's best recruiting efforts honestly, ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Oh, and cross went higher than any player that ever played under mullen
That doesn't really change the fact that Dan's first team had a whole lot of NFL talent -some from Croom, some from Dan holding together that first class.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Looking at that roster you had 6-7 NFL guys who made rosters (Dixon, Boyd, Mitchell, etc), but you also had arguably 3-4 HOF guys in KJ Wright, Kyle Love, Cox, and McPhee.
It may turn out that the '20 team has 5-6 NFL roster guys - but Cross, Forbes, and Emerson are really the only guys I think will start, and who knows if they will have careers like KJ, Love, Cox or McPhee
Vandy doesn't count as a pure SEC game. Haha. Half of our G5 OOC opponents are better than that team. And what, only 4 of our opponents were over .500, I think. They had players out as well when we played some of those games. If was a harder than normal schedule, it wasn't by much really.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
There were only that many over .500 and several others right at .500 because they played all sec teams. Are you seriously arguing that an all sec schedule is not much harder than a schedule with 8 sec teams, a P5, two G5 and a fcs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Fair. But I'd trade inheriting cross for inheriting a DL with 4 nfl guys, 3 who are decade long nfl guys and 1 who may be a hall of famer. Cox, Boyd, McPhee, Love.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If you take away the extra sec games, you take away 1 win and 1 loss considering vandy and Georgia weren't scheduled. His sec record would be 9-14 (.391) entering the egg instead of 10-15 (.400). So while comparing sec only records, it helps himQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
In a normal year yeah but in 2020, not much. We played 10 games but only 9 real games, Vandy was 0-9, horrid team that lost to East Tenn St in 2021. Memphis is a better team than them. Don't forget we didn't play every team at their full strength either. Players opting out, other teams had Covid issues. We lost to 3-7 Ark, they were not a good team. If it was harder playing those 10 games than our normal 12, it's not by much if at all for the 2020 season. In normal years it's no question it would be a tougher year.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
At year 3 Mike and Dan are both right at 40% sec record wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I do miss running the damn ball with Dan though. However I dont miss trotting out CUSA talent level receivers. If Dan could have gotten some higher end receivers we could have been so much more competitive against the elite defenses.
Well, Billy Gonzales telling the WR recruits the first thing they need to know is how to block didn't really go over too well with most of them. We have better WRs than Dan ever had outside of probably Bear and Fred Ross. We just have a QB that can't get them the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
Yea I think it's fair to say 2-6 in 2020. 5-7 overall. Which I think puts Dan and leach with the same conference and overall records through three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If he wins this week, he'd actually be 1 game better, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Losses by years (ranks are bcs, last playoff, and current ap)...
2009: #1 UF, #2 bama, #9 lsu , NR ark and auburn
2010: #4 auburn, #6 lsu, #8 bama, #23 ark
2011: #1 lsu, #2 bama, #9 ark, #20 auburn, #14 SC, NR Georgia
2020*: #1 bama, #5 aTm, NR ark, NR KY, NR OM, NR Kentucky
2021: #1 bama, #8 OM, NR ark, NR lsu
2022: #1 Georgia, #6 lsu, #8 bama, NR Kentucky
*since we excluded Georgia for this comparison, I removed #8 Georgia
Dan lost 3 sec games to unranked opponents in 1st 3 years. Leach has lost to 7 so far
You double counted 2020 Kentucky
Shoulda been NR auburn, so still 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
So he inherited a better team... had to do a little work but they were coming here. Defeats your thinly veiled argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I used this for 2011Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011...tball_rankings
2021
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...021-polls.html
Just retired from teaching 7th/8th Social Studies (3rd and last career). Even the students say, "Don't Use Wikipedia!" **** Hail State!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Anticipation as MS7 tallies the stats...
We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19thQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Again Clark, I'm glad you are still putting up the good fight. You and I and a handful of ppl on this board were the only ones defending Mullen at times. I'm very guilty of defending our current coaches because... I want to believe!! Lol. That said, looking back and watching old games, blah... A few games we'd look unstoppable and then totally inept, much like Leach.
I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.
That Florida win was in 2010. In 2009 we beat both Kentucky and UM (ranked) with winning records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I wonder what our record this year would be like if it mirrored Dan's 3rd in 2011. If Will missed as much time and was as hurt as much as Chris Relf was in 2011.
Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm saying THEY (DM & ML) are basically the same... as I have from the start. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.
Went by my original post a few days ago, but you are correct... 7-6 UK and a 9-4 OM (crazy how the wheels came off that Nutt program after that).Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
So they both have 3 wins, against SEC teams with winning records, in their first 3 years. And Leach has one more chance to break the tie!! Hope you two are rooting for him to do just so!
ETA: I know both of you are pulling for Leach on Thursday.
I agree for the most part, and then came South Alabama in what, year 6? Remember that smirk at the end of the game? Everyone on here lost their ever freaking minds! I defended ole Dan saying he was basically in shock that he'd just lost to that team. And I still believe that, shocked and embarrassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC Dawg
Ultimately there's no need to have a big Mullen vs. Leach argument since they're both very solid coaches who've set a new baseline expectation for Mississippi State, winning at a level that most coaches out there wouldn't be able to do.
I think that we have hit our ceiling without a slight upgrade in recruiting talent.
Also anytime I start to think about Mullen with maroon colored glasses, I think about Holloway being sent up the middle. Awesome running back but didn?t need to be running the ball between the tackles!