Ozzie...
.335 xwoba, .248 wOBA; .219 babip
Rosario...
.382 xwoba, .211 wOBA; .267 babip
Ozuna...
.343 xwoba, .245 wOBA ; .000 babip
Perhaps these 3 will have a good week
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Ozzie...
.335 xwoba, .248 wOBA; .219 babip
Rosario...
.382 xwoba, .211 wOBA; .267 babip
Ozuna...
.343 xwoba, .245 wOBA ; .000 babip
Perhaps these 3 will have a good week
Ozzie needs to quit batting LH and just go to RH permanently.
Be nice, but it just isn't gonna happenQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
The book is out on albies. If he’s up in a big spot just go ahead and mark it down…K, pop up, roller to the mound…and prolly on the first pitch that he chases. I know he’s on a very team friendly contract but he plays the game selfishly. Why he won’t lay a bunt down and walk to first is beyond me. He stunk before his injury last yr and it has continued. Time to realize it. If u wanna keep him cuz he’s solid on D that’s fine. Gotta upgrade in left and quit batting him above 7th.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
It?s hard to believe how bad the farm is right now. After Shewmake and Grissom, the AAA lineup is garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Braves had a wealth of pitching for several years and held on to too many of them who became worthless on the market. Now you?ve got Ozuna and Rosario stinking it up and nothing in the org to replace them.
Time to get creative. Dump Ian Anderson before he?s lost all his value. Gotta package him with someone and get some help.
Not just ponying up a couple million more per year for Dansby is really hurting right now. Normally they would just swing a trade to fill these holes, but as you said the farm is dead empty. Inexcusable.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
Literally was reading this quote and got an alert that we're shutting down Anderson for the season and he's going to have Tommy John surgery. I would guess his value is probably a sunk cost now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
It already was. He only has 2 pitches, and it's really hard to be a MLB SP with just 2 pitches, and his weren't good enough. He'll have to develop a 3rd, which he was working on in ST but will take time.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He'll be out 2 seasons, and without looking I'd guess that would use up any options he has left. His odds of ever wearing a Braves uniform again are damn low.
Soroka seems to be progressing nicely.
4 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 5 K. 69 pitches today in AAA.
He could be a big help in the later half of the season
You must be thinking of someone else. He has 3 pitches FB, Change and Curve and for his first 30 starts in 2020-2021 they were more than good enough. Middle to top rotation guy. Not to mention he was lights out in the playoffs with a career 1.26 ERA in the postseason. Then last year something happened to him and now it seems with the injury that it might have been a contributor to him breaking down.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Nah. $175 mill for Swanson would have been ridiculous. SS is a position you can get by with less offense. You can?t afford to have worthless bats in LF and DH.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Holding on to Anderson, Touissant, and Ynoa til they all ran themselves into the ground was a pretty big set of misses on AA?s part.
Agreed. Those are far and away the biggest mistakes he's made as a GM.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
You always knew some wouldn?t hit, but the reason you hold onto them all is because some will and you can?t predict which will and won?t. So those guys bombed but Fried, Strider, and Wright are awesome. And if Soroka can get healthy, there?s another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
AA has done a great job.
I am pro AA…but let’s see the long term effects of these contracts and see what happens with fried before I’ll label him great. All the talk about saving money in the long haul with these early “cheap” contracts doesn’t really do any good if you end up letting every established player walk with no return. The farm system is a joke at this point. I am grateful for the title and hopefully they can add one more during this run, and if they do it’ll be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Agree. You have nearly 2/3 of the lineup locked up for 7-8 years and Strider. They most likely will not pay Fried's asking price and Morton is about done. So there are a lot of questions with depth, LF, and a couple of spots withe the rotation. That's why all of those pitching misses hurt, the Braves had a LOT of holes in the pitching rotation and weren't willing to spend $ there outside of 1 year contracts. They got fill in success from those guys I mentioned but nothing sustained, and when they held on to them too long, their values diminished.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
They need to get another title in the next couple of years and it'll be a good run. I'm glad the Braves payroll is expanding, but it's only going to get worse for them. Fried's gonna be gone. SOMEBODY is going to pay 5-600 mill for Ohtani, whether that's the Mets or Dodgers. Phillies are going to continue to spend stupid money. It's going to be hard to keep up with those guys if the Braves can't replenish the minor league talent and build up some trade capital.
We are going to need to trade for an arm or a legit LF/SS to win another ring
And AA will have to swing a little higher than he has in the past. A Tommy Milone or Jake Odorizzi type player isn't going to cut it especially if they are having to fill a spot for a hurt or underperforming Strider, Wright, or Morton.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I'm confused on why we need a starter...
Fried
Strider
Wright
Morton
Elder/soroka/Dodd/Shuster
We don't need another one. We're good there. Need iglesias back and position players to quit getting hurt lolQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Naw we got plenty of arms, one of the top staffs in mlb and arcia is doing a very good job. Lf is kinda of mess but Rosario is starting to pick it up, ozuna that's another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
It's always easy in hindsight to say, 'We should have kept ___ and gotten value out of ___ while we could have.' The problem is, you never really know who those guys are beforehand. That's why AA kept most of them, because the odds of some of them hitting are high when you have that many. And you know some won't, and that's ok if several do. And we've had several hit in a big way. If Soroka comes back healthy this year, we suddenly have an embarrassment of riches in the rotation. Look around baseball, nobody has 'enough' pitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
And the reason our farm system is so weak right now is because a) we have graduated a bunch of really good players in the last few years, and b) we have drafted low and had serious international restrictions. Those international restrictions have now been lifted, so we should be able to once again pull actual talent from that market, and we need some time to re-stock. It's in no way a failure of AA that our farm system is weak right now. It's actually a product of us doing such a great job of actually graduating our talent into legit MLB players. And because we have so much young talent locked up long-term, it buys us the time to restock and rebuild our farm system.
Obviously it remains to be seen what happens with player health and how the farm system gets built back up, but AA so far has provided just about a masterclass on how to do it.
Not true at all. All we really need is decent health. If we added an arm or a legit LF/SS, we would become the unquestioned favorites.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
If every single free agent walks with nothing in return then it is on AA. And that is one reason the farm is in the shape it’s in. Other teams are bringing up youngsters, signing stars, and maintaining a solid or even great farm system. To act like it can’t be done is just an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
And I’m not advocating for trading upcoming free agents. But at this point some of them need to be signed. Fried should be locked up before next season.
Hard to lock up Fried when he is wanting to go to free agencyQuote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
The farm is also in the shape it's in because we missed a little on guys like Pache and Waters and guys like Strider and Harris have developed faster than anticipated.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
The braves' farm sucked last year too... well, until it brought up Harris, strider, Grissom, and even elder (huge down the stretch last year). Is any farm producing the mlb talent of the braves?
The difference with the last probably 8 years is from 2015-2021 and now the Braves had the best farm system is baseball during that stretch. It was all home grown and now they're all in the majors. Acuna, Albies, Swanson, Riley, Fried, Strider, Harris, Elder, Soroka. No team since the early 90s Braves have hit like that. We all had hoped that the next crop of that would be Strider, Harris, Grissom, Shewmake, Waters, and Pache but two got called up early and two others got traded or didn't pan out. The stockpile will have to start again VERY soon, but I trust AA to get it done. He's done it twice before.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Pache and langeliers netted us Olson, so they were beneficial.
Waters netted us JR Richie, so who knows if drew was beneficial.
Grissom looks like he can be an mlb hitter, but not sure he has a position with the braves. He could be used a trade piece imo.
Contreras helped land us Murphy, so that and last year makes him beneficial.
Shewmake looks like a bust
Pache was a bust. He was sent up to AAA just to get him out and away from the other players/ I thought Drew Waters was going places. Shewmake needed another year at AA. When he went up people were surprised
Pache helped us get Olson; so while pache was a bust for A's, I don't count him as a bust for braves. He brought value to the braves with Olson. Langeliers looks bad also for A's, who was in that trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
We could use another legit starter. We have 3 established and 1 of them is hurt. LF speaks for itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Arcia is out for a while so Grissom should be called back up. Time to see if he is going to be a SS or help out in LF and DH short term.
He is definitely not a trade piece at this time with all of the sudden injuries. And unfortunately a lot of the mock trade scenarios that were thrown around during spring training and before had him paired up with Ian Anderson. So you can throw that out the window now. But to move forward on any kind of trade in the future it?s gonna have to include either Grissom or Shewmake. They are the highest values left of the position players.
You may be correct but the last I saw during spring training was that he was ready and willing to talk extension with Braves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Just went back and looked at that article. Fried said “if that’s something that comes to the table we’ll talk about it.” So not as promising as I’d remembered. And that’s where AA has to be able to make a measured decision. If there’s no shot to re sign him he could get an absolute haul in return after this season. Obviously would be made easier if everyone else in rotation steps up. We’ll see. But letting every established veteran all star walk while maintaining a week farm doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.
And my point is that even with those apparent issues (and I disagree that we have 3 legit starters. We have 2 aces, 1 very good starter, 1 very good starter coming back from injury, 1 veteran who is definitely a legit starter, and a bunch of young guys with ability), we're still a WS favorite. If that's how you're defining legit starters, then no team has 4-5 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
That's one of the consequences of having a contender. You don't want to trade Freeman and Dansby while you're in the middle of a WS run. If that's what you're advocating, then yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
As for other teams, please give me the other teams who have called up and signed as much talent as the Braves have over the last 4-5 years, not even adding in the supposed solid/great farm system these teams are still fielding. The Dodgers may be the only team capable of fielding a true contender and possessing a top farm system year after year because they're the only team with unlimited money to play with. And even they have struggled to keep graduating talent from their farm system, which is why they're a little down this year.
If you added Strider and Harris to our system, we'd be at worst middle of the pack with two studs, and everybody would feel good about our farm system. It's actually because we have graduated talent successfully that our farm system is now down. That, and the restrictions on our international signings. We have had lower draft picks, basically no international signings, and we've been graduating our talent all while trying to keep our major league talent and build a contender. That is always a recipe for a down farm system. Where we need to start growing it back is by hitting on some draft picks (we'll see how last year pans out, I liked those picks) and being as aggressive as we can be internationally now that our restrictions are gone. But getting back to a top-5 system will be very, very hard during this window over the next 5-6 years.
You mean like the Padres,Mariners, Rays, Orioles,Dodgers,or the White Sox. You take those 6 teams out and yes Braves are easily top 10Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not advocating for trading studds instead of going after the latest WS title.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
To your other question about maintaining a farm and still competing at a championship level…obviously the dodgers are the cream of the crop right now. You’ve also got the rays, cardinals, Mets, Yankees, and brewers that are all legit WS contenders that also have a farm system ranked in the top half of the league.
It’s doable. Again, win another title during this run and I won’t care what the farm looks like and they can go thru a 10 yr rebuild that no one will question. However, it is absolutely ridiculous to think that competing, maintaining a top half farm system, AND not letting every veteran all star walk is some pipe dream that can’t be done.
If you are talking pitching depth and talent there is a HUGE drop off after Padres, Tigers and Rays, what those 3 teams have done over the past 5 years has been unreal. I am a big time Astros fan but pitching development of those 3 orgs have been phenomenal.
The braves are the current WS favorite, winner of east division 4 straight years, and 2021 WS champs bc they have developed as good as anyone in baseball. Lol, at having some of those teams producing mlb talent better than the braves.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentSteel16