Of course not. Geez.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Go get another Jimbo tattoo.**
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Of course not. Geez.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Go get another Jimbo tattoo.**
Can you name any other coach that runs the 100% AirRaid besides CML and CHM? Why do you think that is?
Dude, I get it. You don't like Leach. He ain't going anywhere for another couple of years at least. I'm looking at the positives and not getting mired down by negatives. Life's a lot better that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday
I actually love CML, but see serious flaws. I think he?s funny and watched lots of his interview antics before he came here. I had hoped OM would hire him when they promoted Luke just so I could see him upclose while watching his style wreak havoc on their fanbase instead of what it?s doing to ours.
I wish leach would follow kingsbury's lead and grab a dual threat qb, add TEs, and actually rush the ball some.
If that guy can actually throw as well, he's probably a 5 starQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What serious flaws do you see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday
That his winning percentage has diminished steadily over his career, seemingly corresponding to opponents growing in familiarity with AirRaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
TT: 84-43
WSU: 55-47
MSU: 7-9
His success seems to come heavily when he plays a team not accustomed to seeing the AirRaid. It looks to become less effective over time, and the most glaring flaw is his devotion to not change so that he can prove it still works. Do you disagree?
Everyone should go and read Swing Your Sword. Mike Leach explains the Air Raid quite well and why he does what he does.
1. It's simple which means the players aren't overthinking every play. Unlike Jimbo's play book with chapter markings.
2. Since we run the same plays so much it's simple muscle memory for your receivers, QB, etc and that makes us crisp.
3. This is why CML focuses on the fundamentals and being able to execute the plays properly.
4. With us being able to execute the plays properly it gives us an edge and slows the opponents down who may have more skilled players and now your players are performing at the same or better than theirs.
We're running 70 plays or more a game. Our offense probably has another game worth of plays under their belt right now than several other teams in the SEC. We'll get better with more reps.
CML wants to win and when he was at Oklahoma as the OC they made a fake play book to leave on the opposing side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUy1wFhIvWs
Dak Holliday is making some good points..
Yes, perspective is important, but in swing your sword, you see it from CMLs eyes. While this is great for understanding his MO, it does little to show it from the perspective of the DCs that seemingly have his number. Once again, if this offense were so simple and effective, wouldn?t EVERYONE run it? Why don?t we see more 100% AirRaid coaches?
Dave Bartoo has Leach as a career +2 coaching effect coach. In other words, given comparable talent to a +0 coach, Leach will on average win 2 extra games per season with that talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday
Bad coaches don?t do that. He?s not perfect but he?s a good coach.
Good stat, but recruiting is a big part of being a college coach. Wonder how much of a negative his recruiting isQuote:
Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
Stop. It.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday
We just went against a damn good SEC defense/DC Saturday night in their house in front of over 87,000 rowdy fans. And WON.
Elko was throwing everything at us but the kitchen sink. We still marched down the field.
This quote from lake (Washington DC) should be a concern...
https://i.postimg.cc/fRVbLXTT/5-C283...6-CE39-E83.jpg
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...apple-cup-win/
It's funny but Les Miles said the same thing about Mullen's offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What DC has his number? UW has managed to consistently beat them by outrecruiting them by 30 spots in the recruiting rankings. With him at MSU (unless and until NIL screws us), that's a playbook that Bama, UGA, CLemson, and OSU can sort of copy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday
What other DC do you know of that has consistently shut down Leach's scheme? I'm not saying it's perfect or that he couldn't do better if he was more adaptive, but I'm just curious as to where people are getting their information from that it's easy to shut down once it's installed and executed at the level that his typical teams do?
The biggest reason for UW dominating that series is they were able to blow up wazzu o line by only rushing 3. Dropping 8 alone wasnt enough. Their d line dominated by rushing 3 due to superior talent there.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There isn't an offense that works against a defense that can dominate 5 Oline with 3 DLine. You are essentially playing 5 or 6 (depending on running QB) vs 8 at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
I mean we don't really have enough of a sample size of his MSU tenure to be able to say it will or won't work in the long run. But to just look at his Wazzu record and use that as proof that his system has gotten worse over time ignores a ton of context. Specifically that his offenses were always good there and his worst teams were bad because of issues on defense. Also, his record improved DRASTICALLY over time at Wazzu. He averaged 4 wins a year his first three seasons and then averaged almost 9 wins a year in his last six years there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday
How many imaginary like buttons would have been clicked on my original post?
This is so true. Leach is still running the exact offense he peaked with in 2008. You can't achieve great success in this league without adapting and adjusting. We are yet to do either much. Proud of our guys for the win though. Scheme is still lackluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
After watching Kentucky beat Florida I really miss those exciting QB draws on 3rd and forever. As someone else posted somewhere "at least I can watch a MSU qb throw a pass and expect it to be caught".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
So we better off without mullen? Somehow, I doubt itQuote:
Originally Posted by PCHSDawg
ETA... just looked up FEI offensive numbers for this year vs Mullen's 2nd year.
2021 - 52nd
2010 - 43rd
This was after a full season. We haven't faced a top 25 FEI defense yet, but we have 4 (Kentucky, ark, bama, and auburn) remaining on schedule. In 2010, we faced 3 (LSU, ark, and bama) top 25 FEI defenses.
You know that's not what he is saying. However, Mullen can be extremely predictable. Especially when he is losing. We all know QB draw on 3rd and 8 was a Mullen staple and by the end of his run here even our disinterested wives could predict when Dan would run it. We also know outside of 2 seasons, our passing game was our weakest asset and people on here bitched regularly about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We're sorta predictable now too, maybe more so. Last week was a step in the right direction though, so there's hope. Ready to see the Kentucky gameQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Mullen hasn't changed his offense either. It's still the same plays he had at Florida in 2008 as OC. It just looks really good with a Dak, Trask or Tebow.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Lol. Dak ran the same offense in 2014 and 2015? Fitz ran the same offense in 2016 dak ran in 2015? Trask ran the dak offense of 2014 and fitz of 2017?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
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Originally Posted by msstate7
Same base offense? Yes. Now, what Dan tends to be very good at is adapting his play calling to his personnel. But even then you see him revert to norm on occasion. Go watch film of us trying to run Tyler Russell in his concrete shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Or Brandon Holloway up the middle. That guy was a warrior for trying to run up the gut in the SEC weighing about 150 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Yes. It's the same offense. Quit being being so obtuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Jones already has more carries than trask did last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
2021 Florida 58.9% run heavy
2020 Florida 56.3% pass heavy
Maybe it's technically the same offense, but it sure seems different philosophy to me. Florida is running 15.2% more this season than last
I now fully expect our WRs to catch the ball. Unlike previous years when we only completed 50% of our passes. Think about that for a second. We used to run 50% and pass 50%, but only half of those passes were caught. Now we're successful passing 75% of the time which is most of our plays.
I could see Mullen's offense definitely improve if he focused on recruiting some solid WRs that caught the ball and a QB that had a 75% completion rate. However, we never got to experience that except for maybe a brief period of Dak's time. If we had the receiver we didn't have the QB we needed, when we got the QB we didn't have the receivers.
Better stat to use would be yds/play. Currently, we're 11th in the sec. Mullen finished higher than that all but 1 year (11th in 2017). We were 13th last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
Mullen could clearly implement his system faster than Leach due to adjusting the scheme to the players. Absent a $100 mil QB , this system gives us a much greater chance of competing for SEC West though due to how it neutralizes the DL.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So, if you've been Ok with it taking time for Leach to get the WRs & QB up to speed, then this offense is better. If you needed to win day 1, then Mullen would be a better option
Not sure predictability matters in the Air RaidQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We're in a division with Alabama... we ain't winning this conference. We had a shot with mullen. Let's see if leach can do that. He hasn't done it in easier conferencesQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
In our worst year we never only completed 50% of our passes. We were at 52% in 2018 under JoVester. We were usually high 50's to 60 under Mullen. Even Relf was at 59% in 2010. And he didnt have to throw to a RB every 3rd play to do itQuote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
Absent a $100 mil QB, we had no chance with Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Give Leach a Dak type QB & we'd be just as good if not better due to how this offense neuters the defense & takes away almost all advantage on the DL
Who recruited and developed that qb?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
ETA... did dak even have a qb offer out of HS?