OM reaches 100% Vax Rate

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I have had Covid twice!
1st time was end of February, 2020 when I came home from an International Food Show in Orlando, Fl. at Disney with nearly 5000 attendees, including the Far East, the Middle East, The island Nations, South and Central America.

The second time was in November.

I got both vaccinations this past spring.

And I can assure you there is no one on here more ?conservative? than me.

But.... it was a personal choice... and everyone has to take personal responsibility. Choose wisely, because the only two certainties in life.... are Death and Taxes. Unless you are over 80 and are ready to meet your maker, I suggest taking the taxes.

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True. Getting it twice is very rare and an exception. Truth is natural immunity is way better than any vaccine they can mix up. They have been working on this for decades for SARS viruses with no success. Now experimental drugs. The Moderna guy said the mnra mix is not even safe for animals - his words not mine.

It is a personal choice and there is no one right answer as so many arrogant folks seem to want to look down their noses at people over. I know deaths on all sided, hospitalizations and life altering conditions from Covid and vaccine so folks need to shut up on the vax everyone.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Oh ... not very hard if the data is accurate. That's the question. Lots of "science" everyone was on board with last year where the data wasn't accurate, reports were wrong, articles were wrong, etc.

But ... you keep having an absolute opinion on any f***ing thing you read, especially when it jives with your "feelings". And keep telling everyone they're dumbasses ... dumbass.

You're brilliant.

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Yep the left destroyed science. Science is now a word used by lazy people that want their opinion to be fact. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

For all of those adamant that everyone has to vaccinated, did you take the flu shot every year prior to covid?

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That has nothing to do with it man. People are allowed to evolve their decision making process when presented with new information and circumstances. I have a lot of respect for people that can change their mind when the information dictates they maybe should do something different. What I don't understand is why people try and deflect and go so hard against the grain in this situation. I'd rather people just admit "I don't want to get it because I don't like being told what to do" and leave it at that instead of bringing up straw man arguments. At the end of the day, nothing anyone says about flu shots, illegals crossing the border, the government censoring therapies helps them protect themselves from having a bad experience with this virus. The data on the vaccine shows that it does, so why die on that hill?

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Yep the left destroyed science. Science is now a word used by lazy people that want their opinion to be fact. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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Serious question. Who are you all wanting to hear it from to believe the vaccine to this point is helpful? My guess is no one.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

This is the truth so 3.2.1 mods getting ready to shut it down.

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Another moron... not shocked.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

True. Getting it twice is very rare and an exception. Truth is natural immunity is way better than any vaccine they can mix up. They have been working on this for decades for SARS viruses with no success. Now experimental drugs. The Moderna guy said the mnra mix is not even safe for animals - his words not mine.

It is a personal choice and there is no one right answer as so many arrogant folks seem to want to look down their noses at people over. I know deaths on all sided, hospitalizations and life altering conditions from Covid and vaccine so folks need to shut up on the vax everyone.

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Oh. Make no mistake. I think it was deliberately released and I feel confident they knew it would mutate and mutate and mutate some more. The releasers were counting on the arrogance of certain democracies to let their guard down. This one will peak in a few weeks, we will relax for a few months and then the next mutation, stronger than this one, will run it?s course.

They just couldn?t work out the One World Order until they eliminated about 10-15% of the World?s population. It is here to stay.

By the time every mutation of this virus runs through the world, there will be 10?s of millions dead from it.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Oh. Make no mistake. I think it was deliberately released and I feel confident they knew it would mutate and mutate and mutate some more. The releasers were counting on the arrogance of certain democracies to let their guard down. This one will peak in a few weeks, we will relax for a few months and then the next mutation, stronger than this one, will run it?s course.

They just couldn?t work out the One World Order until they eliminated about 10-15% of the World?s population. It is here to stay.

By the time every mutation of this virus runs through the world, there will be 10?s of millions dead from it.

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Thank you soooo much lord for my sanity, much lacking in the Trump cult.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

This is the truth so 3.2.1 mods getting ready to shut it down.

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J.H.C....no, no its not.

I mean,, sure,, if you believe the My Pillow guy or some other grifter, lol.

It is so ****ing easy to debunk this drivel, but its not even worth it, because you'll just call it fake news/liberal science/or fill in _________ bullshit.

Holy shit.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

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Thank you soooo much lord for my sanity, much lacking in the Trump cult.

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When do the shape-shifting lizard people come for our children, though? Want to make sure I'm ready...

Oh snap...isn't something "yuge" supposedly happening in August that will save us all?*************

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

J.H.C....no, no its not.

I mean,, sure,, if you believe the My Pillow guy or some other grifter, lol.

It is so ****ing easy to debunk this drivel, but its not even worth it, because you'll just call it fake news/liberal science/or fill in _________ bullshit.

Holy shit.

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Ha! His wife/cousin thinks you're full of sh*t...

What causes something to mutate?

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This gives pause on everything being reported.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-a...tment-call-out

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

This gives pause on everything being reported.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-a...tment-call-out

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What's more important - numbers being reported or hospital capacity?

The answer to all of this vaccine discussion is simple - if hospitalized without being vaccinated - you're required to pay the bill for your treatment/care.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

What's more important - numbers being reported or hospital capacity?

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I think it's all important. The WH and desantis have a spat, then all-the-sudden, the CDC taints Florida's poor numbers to make them even worse. And then people wonder why there's a big portion of the population that doesn't trust the government

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think it's all important. The WH and desantis have a spat, then all-the-sudden, the CDC taints Florida's poor numbers to make them even worse. And then people wonder why there's a big portion of the population that doesn't trust the government

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I noticed a trend in the data no one else was talking about. It's 3 plots of 3 different parameters. Looking at data from individual states' websites. I developed somewhat of a theory based on trend. All of this about a week ago. No one else was talking about it.

Now one doctor has voiced opposition to vaccine and his reasons why would explain almost precisely the trends I was seeing. Don't know if he's a very good doc or if he sucks as a doc. Not saying it's true or not yet ... just sayin.

Thanks to this thread for reminding me that a sizeable segment of our fanbase are disgustingly horrible.

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Good info. I wish more stats like this were available in other areas.

and as long as the damn idiots keep getting policed.. yall can have this damn thread till football season starts.

What is the demographics of the ones refusing to take the vaccines? On yeah, they can?t tell us that. What is the demographics of the unvaccinated that are hospitalized? Oh yeah, they can?t tell us that.

How many illegal immigrants are now taking hospital beds that came across the border the past 6 months? Oh yeah, the can?t tell us that.

And as far as my comments about the mutations mutating, your wonderful evil genius Dr. Fauci said that a new variant is coming and it will be worse than this one. And he says the vaccines will not fend it off. The Left?s hero!

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think it's all important. The WH and desantis have a spat, then all-the-sudden, the CDC taints Florida's poor numbers to make them even worse. And then people wonder why there's a big portion of the population that doesn't trust the government

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Disagree. Not all stats are important. The reported number of cases doesn't change the fact that hospitals are over-run in FL, TX, MS, AR, etc.

The cases reported could be 1,000,000 or they could be 10 - either way - it doesn't currently free up an ICU bed. Capacity and resources to provide care are the only thing that is important (always has been in my view). When we didn't have a vaccine, case numbers helped track the spread. Now that there is a solution to the problem available for all (and for free) - who cares...

In TX, the Governor has mandated hospitals suspend elective surgeries - so - who do you think will ultimately foot the bill for the lost revenue those health organizations will sustain? If you come around to the correct answer - hint - taxpayer - then you see how this goes beyond personal choice.

Delere

So the way I understand it is every patient that comes into a hospital regardless of reason is asked if vaccinated and also a test is run. So patient is admitted for back pain and then test positive for C19 they are now counted as a C19 patient. That one reason for increase in hospitalization

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

So the way I understand it is every patient that comes into a hospital regardless of reason is asked if vaccinated and also a test is run. So patient is admitted for back pain and then test positive for C19 they are now counted as a C19 patient. That one reason for increase in hospitalization

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Everybody admitted to the hospital is tested. If they test positive they ARE a COVID patient because they have to be treated as such.

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Originally Posted by BorneDawg

Ivemectrin and hydroxyclorquine way more effective than vaccine and hardly any side-affects ! the Drs that invented the mRNA stuff say its not safe! the test are about to be pulled cause they cant differentiate between flu and covid. meanwhile the 2 I mentioned have been around for many decades and have a great track record.......... So quit telling us to get a dangerous unproven experimental shot that ISNT a vaccine at ALL!!!!!!!

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Every single thing in that post is false.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Oh ... not very hard if the data is accurate. That's the question. Lots of "science" everyone was on board with last year where the data wasn't accurate, reports were wrong, articles were wrong, etc.

But ... you keep having an absolute opinion on any f***ing thing you read, especially when it jives with your "feelings". And keep telling everyone they're dumbasses ... dumbass.

You're brilliant.

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Your the one citing feelings.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

True. Getting it twice is very rare and an exception. Truth is natural immunity is way better than any vaccine they can mix up. They have been working on this for decades for SARS viruses with no success. Now experimental drugs. The Moderna guy said the mnra mix is not even safe for animals - his words not mine.

It is a personal choice and there is no one right answer as so many arrogant folks seem to want to look down their noses at people over. I know deaths on all sided, hospitalizations and life altering conditions from Covid and vaccine so folks need to shut up on the vax everyone.

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Natural immunity is NOT as good with the vaxx DELTA unless you had Delta.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think it's all important. The WH and desantis have a spat, then all-the-sudden, the CDC taints Florida's poor numbers to make them even worse. And then people wonder why there's a big portion of the population that doesn't trust the government

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Florida's numbers were in question long before Biden was elected.

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Originally Posted by Percho

What causes something to mutate?

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DNA is not copied correctly. The cause is natural in almost all cases. It happens. It happens in all life. The mutations move quicker the faster that whatever the organism reproduces.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Everybody admitted to the hospital is tested. If they test positive they ARE a COVID patient because they have to be treated as such.

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You missed the point I'm not surprised. You do understand that you could have covid and have absolutely no symptoms? I mean with all your medical experiences and expertise right.... an example...so John Doe comes into the hospital and has a heart condition. Chest pains will say... history of angioplasty. They test him for covid he is....asymptotic or could be a false positive.. So your then telling me they decide oh let's treat the covid and not the heart condition. That's exactly what your saying. Correct??? Let me tell you what's going to happen they are going to treat his case as a heart related issue. Now the actual hospital records will show he is a covid positive patient which is mis leading. Now should John pass away due to the heart related issue he is now a...... you guess right a covid death.

The more you post on this and other boards Bill the dumber you sound and less and less are we lead to believe you are even in the medical field.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Every single thing in that post is false.

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There are MDs that say otherwise. There is also a reported (in Jerusalem Post) double-blind study performed in Israel stating Ivermectin is very effective. More so than the vaccine ... don't know.

The point is there is a lot of conflicting info out there and I do know for a fact the FDA and Big Pharma will suppress info and when every MSM or Big Tech outlet is censoring conversations about it then I certainly ask why that is. I work with a lot of pretty smart (some that are exceptionally smart) scientists every day that often disagree.

And my "feelings" tell me that once I get vaccinated, I can't get unvaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Natural immunity is NOT as good with the vaxx DELTA unless you had Delta.

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Source? I would imagine they would be pretty similar being that the current vax wasn't made specifically for the Delta variant.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

You missed the point I'm not surprised. You do understand that you could have covid and have absolutely no symptoms? I mean with all your medical experiences and expertise right.... an example...so John Doe comes into the hospital and has a heart condition. Chest pains will say... history of angioplasty. They test him for covid he is....asymptotic or could be a false positive.. So your then telling me they decide oh let's treat the covid and not the heart condition. That's exactly what your saying. Correct??? Let me tell you what's going to happen they are going to treat his case as a heart related issue. Now the actual hospital records will show he is a covid positive patient which is mis leading. Now should John pass away due to the heart related issue he is now a...... you guess right a covid death.

The more you post on this and other boards Bill the dumber you sound and less and less are we lead to believe you are even in the medical field.

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It doesn't MATTER if you have symptoms or not. I was NOT saying you don't treat the heart problem, good lord man don't patronize me. Sheer ignorance is the only way you could have EVER come up with that. They STILL have to be treated with all the precautions as any COVID patient because they ARE a COVID patient in addition to whatever else they are. They have to be in a isolation room or a COVID ward. You don't just walk into one of those if you are treating them, no matter what's wrong with them. You are aware that COVID patients are something like 3 times more likely to have a stroke or a MI, RIGHT? You may be an intelligent person, but your ignorance in these matters astounds me.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

There are MDs that say otherwise. There is also a reported (in Jerusalem Post) double-blind study performed in Israel stating Ivermectin is very effective. More so than the vaccine ... don't know.

The point is there is a lot of conflicting info out there and I do know for a fact the FDA and Big Pharma will suppress info and when every MSM or Big Tech outlet is censoring conversations about it then I certainly ask why that is. I work with a lot of pretty smart (some that are exceptionally smart) scientists every day that often disagree.

And my "feelings" tell me that once I get vaccinated, I can't get unvaccinated.

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So sheep dip is good for COVID...who knew.******* I hope everybody gets their shots, even the people killing people by spreading this crap.

this thread needs to get deleted. IT has gotten to political. not the point of this place.

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Originally Posted by BB30

Source? I would imagine they would be pretty similar being that the current vax wasn't made specifically for the Delta variant.

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Google it. Every reputable source that pops up will tell you what I just told you. Two I saw right off the bat were from MIT and the University of Chicago.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Natural immunity is NOT as good with the vaxx DELTA unless you had Delta.

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This is not supported by the data yet. Might end up being true, but the data is equivocal at this point.

Yes, it is.

We do need to start wondering how it is going to effect tail gate and other things about game day.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Yes, it is.

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Often wrong, never in doubt.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Google it. Every reputable source that pops up will tell you what I just told you. Two I saw right off the bat were from MIT and the University of Chicago.

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But some guy with a Patreon account and a MD/PhD in his twitter bio says otherwise.***