Howland drew up some bad plays, but Stewart was flat out horrible tonight. We can't win sec games with him playing like shit. Check his shooting in both of our sec losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
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Howland drew up some bad plays, but Stewart was flat out horrible tonight. We can't win sec games with him playing like shit. Check his shooting in both of our sec losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
We lost the game from the get go because we would not attack the trap.
We helped the other coach play his game.
I mean compared to Ray where we won like 3 or 4 conference games a year, but I get your pointQuote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Should have won by + 25.
Don't get emotionally invested with MSU MBK. There's no consistency, ever.
Tonight is the exact reasons fans don?t show up in non covid years. It?s the same thing over and over
it wasn't just the end of the half and end of the game plays. we should be pushing the ball after every miss. we are horrible in the half court. he should have instructed Molinar to attack more. We should have been getting easy buckets off their trap defense. we played exactly the way A&M wanted us to play and that was literally their only chance to win. And he probably should have pulled DJ. DJ was passing up open shooters to brick mid-range jumpers.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
All of what hoops said is correct , especially the tempo. Every year he talks about how he wants to run and then we never do it.
There was a little luck as for the first 10 min of the second half every loose ball bounced their way and we missed 3-4 wide open layups but the last 10 minutes our offense was flat garbage
2 things that killed us in the 2nd half - rebounding and Turnovers.
You guys will learn one day
We dominated in 1st half in rebounding. The 2nd half really favored them, but I swear they were getting some just crazy bounces esp to start the 2nd half.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
I?ve seen it many times before but like hoops said we had no play calls and DJ should of sat last 5 minutes. That?s a straight easy 7 point win playing mediocre.
I agree it's been hard to get the fans back after Rick Ray nuked our program, but this whole excuse of not showing up because Ben's teams are inconsistent is rich...Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Stans lost a **** load of games just like this, in worse ways, and in moments that sent us from the bubble straight to the NIT....with oodles of talent and experience, no less. Not to mention, these "golden years" of MSU basketball so many of us cling to actually had plenty of fans in the stands to give us/Stans a decent home court advantage (which the lack there of recently/during covid can't be overstated). In a semi-filled Hump, we likely win this game. Fans absolutely have an impact on the game.
Btw, PGH, this rant isn't directed at you, per se, just the overall ideas behind lack of fan buy in.
This team is still super young with, outside of Ado, a severe lack of big time game experience. The talent is there, but they're working through it. One thing I feel good about is the lack of drama/headcases on this squad (i.e., a Lamar Peters type). I just hope everyone comes back for another year.
Well games like tonight are good for us keeping Molinar and Stewart together 1 more year hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
That?s way too much to type about a bad team losing a bad game. We had a couple good games, sucked us fools back in, and then this. Same shit different day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
The plan is coming together, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm just saying that outside of 1996 and few seasons in the 60's, this has pretty much been who we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
But I agree, we could've and should've won this game a dozen different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
We're a young, bubble type team. This is what young, bubble type teams do... they play well and beat teams they probably shouldn't like mizzou, and then play bad and lose to teams they probably shouldn't like aTm. Tonight was a bad loss, but it shouldn't be too unexpected if we genuinely realize what type of team we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
On to Florida. This will be a tough, but winnable game. I expect Stewart to be much better coming off a terrible game, which should give us a good shot.
That?s called a college basketball team. When are we going to not be that?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If Molinar, t. Smith, and Stewart are all here next season, we should be more than a bubble type team. Get those guys back, and there shouldn't be hiccups like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
I think this is a very good point, and I did not have high expectations for this team before the year. Frankly we are still better than I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The issue is that it seems like a continuation of the last several years for many of our fans. A night like tonight is nothing new under Howland. Maybe it’s not fair to blame this specific team for the sins of teams that came before them. But the common thread is the coach and that’s where a lot of the frustrations lie.
The trend of us totally lacking the ability to sustain momentum for several years running is maddening as heck to our fans who so badly want this to be like the good ole days. I don’t think most people care that this is an inexperienced team, there has been a stigma attached to this program for years and a loss like this one justifies many of those pre-conceived notions.
Also, our best player went 3-14 from the field. That alone can kill even great teams in a single game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
They will be here, and it will not make a damn bit of difference. We have issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Exactly what I was implying in my two post. Should have blown them off the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
guys as a former ranter and raver over every MSU loss there is one thing i have learned this past year....in the stream of time sports are nothing to get really upset about. HAIL STATE!
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Originally Posted by Percho
What a disappointing game! Hard to watch us blow a 12-15 point lead!
I gave up on basketball when the wheels fell off for Stans and Ray crashed the bus. Got excited about Howland, but he's not changing anything and has been totally inconsistent. But who really thought we would be good this year? I didn't. We've shown flashes but that's been the norm since Howland arrived.
Tough and bad loss .. needed that game , let’s soo how this young team bounces back
Have to pick up one on the road now to off set that
I knew Texas AM game would be ugly, all of their games are like that.. ugly
We were a top 3/4 SEC program 2000-2010Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Won SEC in 91 too. Yes we aren't UK or UF but we have been a very good program for a lot of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
DJ hits one of those missed layups or an easy jumper he missed we win and no one thinks anything. It was a terrible loss just like UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I hope DJ doesn't go mental after last night. I could see him overthinking his shooting late in second. Never a good thing having played competitive basketball a lot in my younger years. You have to shoot with confidence, be loose, and not thinking. He was thinking as he was shooting late in 2nd half.
Hmm...many of those "Western Division" championships sorta gloss over the fact we were extremely mediocre during that stretch, so not sure the "top 3 or 4" really holds up factually. For example, for that stretch only the 01-02, 03-04, and 07-08 seasons did we finish with double digit conference wins. A whole bunch of 9-7 records....Good enough to "win" in the historically bad SEC West during that stretch, but it doesn't mean we were great. Consistent, perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
And Howland has won at least 20 games 3 years in a row, and had us in position last year to make the dance two years in a row had it not been for COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Playing a schedule weighted by an incredibly weak division during that period that no longer exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
We did, which was only good for a 5 seed in the NCAA, and we got blown out in the first round.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Being one of the better teams in the SEC hasn't meant a whole lot historically nearly as often as it has for football. All time, per Wikipedia, we rank tied for 97th in NCAA tournament appearances and tied for 80th for tournament wins. That's better than many in the grand scheme of things (though keep in mind how diluted the bottom of the list is by those who weren't or haven't been in the running nearly as long), but not exactly what I'd call "very good" or worthy of high expectations year in and year out that some seem to believe we're entitled to.
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Originally Posted by thf24
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