Not to mention the culture problems. The players are way more focused now than they wereQuote:
Originally Posted by Percho
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Not to mention the culture problems. The players are way more focused now than they wereQuote:
Originally Posted by Percho
No but it never came to mind until you mentioned it. Aside from very recent years OM is ahead of us. Even in recent years they've typically been ahead of us in talent as well. OM recruits itself well. You can argue ethics but the point still stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This offense isn't about deception. And sidebar- I think that really only masks so much anyway. How many times did Ole Miss screw up today because they had three or four guys going in motion and did two or three fakes and we still typically stopped it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Leach is about running the same play so many times that the players know them in and out so well that they become almost impossible to defend. That's why he has had success everywhere else and why year one is usually rough. It's the Bruce Lee method of one kick perfectly 1000 times vs 1000 kicks one time.
That's why those of us that understand Leach are excited about the progress right now. Now if we're still getting shut out by Kentucky then yeah- maybe worry. But that's not what's happening right now. We're starting to execute and that will only get better with time and in our case experience. Rogers next year will be light years better than he is now...and imagine where he is going to be in 2023? Same with guys like Walley, Marks, Cross, and etc.
By my count we are 16-14 against them on the field since 1991. 17-17 since 1987. For context with this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
This year should have an asterisk or not countQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No different than Ole Miss wins in 2014, 15, or 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
To me, it is what it is. Ultimately this loss goes back to Moorhead's horrible culture and Mullen's terrible recruiting four-five years ago. Part of this we did to ourselves if we're being honest. But at least I feel like we are moving forward in the right direction now.
That's not what the previous poster said. Some of you guys need to learn how to comprehend and follow a discussion. He said 6-8. I'm not arguing with him or you.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I have followed leach since his days at Kentucky, I've read his books. I love the guy -was excited about the hire. But his offensive creativity has all but stopped the last decade. He is going to have to update it some for us to reach our potential. You can understand Leach and still not agree with his scheme. All of his assistants who have went on to have more success than him have made taken his principals and added more layers to take advantage of all situations that may arise in a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
"Those of us that understand Leach" - get out of here with that man.
The fact that you misspelled a lot in a sentence proclaiming to be right is hilarious to me. Maybe you will figure it all out in another 22 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Put all your freshmen on offense and see what happens big shot. You're the biggest ****ing tool shed in our fan base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If there is one thing we can bank on, its coach's hot takes about our coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I am happy that our 49 damn players, suited up and battled. 17 everyone else. And 17 this entire thread. I would love to see 34 line up against a spread team with less than half the talent you had to start the season with these restrictions along with random folks being out week to week.
What a stupid, shortsighted take.
Yeah, he has basically forgot what life, college, and football is all about. Drank the cool-aid, 34 has.Quote:
Originally Posted by shrimp
Well, sorry but you clearly don't understand his philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
What would our record be so far this year if we swapped rosters with Bama on offense? What do you suppose the ceiling would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I doubt he respondsQuote:
Originally Posted by DeltaChicagoDog
Even if you two are not the same person, I am convinced you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
It's the cost of doing business in the SEC. You might as well bitch about the cost of bread and milk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Why would he? Is leach gonna start bringing in #1 classes?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Will any coach ever bring in #1 classes at MSU. If you can't see the improvements this team has made in the last two weeks, I don't know what to tell you. Some people just can't help but to bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree Lee, this was terrible. Must be awful to be an OM fan today and to know that they nearly gave up the win on the final play against an MSU team this bad. I mean, this is the worst MSU team in nearly 20 years and they barely secured a win at home. Seems like a bad day for OM fans as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Wow I usually love reading Coach's stuff but this by far is the dumbest post I've ever seen you make. Don't blame is on a 22 year grudge. If college coaches believed you were the helluva coach that you perceived yourself as they would have offered you other jobs in that 22 years after the wife mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Right, Ole Miss has accomplished nothing. The 2014 Peach Bowl against TCU is one of their BIG HIGHLIGHTS from the last 10 years of the program. Think about that for a sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Lots of coaches go from high school to college staffs. Gus Malzahn went from high school coach to Arkansas offensive coordinator for 1 year to Ark St head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21
And by the time he never adapts it will be time for him to call it quits and head on down to the keys...for good..along with his 20 million dollars
I don't understand why people keep saying this. The Dallas Cowboys could trade rosters with bama right now and be instantly better...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeltaChicagoDog
I have to disagree with this. Not defending the guy because I wouldn't want my kids playing for the guy. But you have opportunities in life that you have to act on or they never present themselves again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21
Gun I'm not a coward - I try not to speak unless I have accurate information to back up or it's a rational opinion. I always respond. On the other hand, I have challenged you several times on this board when you make irrational statements and you never say anything again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Me doing it holds alot more weight than you guys that make tacos, change oil in lawnmowers, and stock shelves at Wal-Mart saying how great he is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphadog
When you look at it- here is what it comes down to:
We play against the same defense every week now. Teams play a 3 man front and just sit back and cover. They blitz once in a blue moon- but play after play its a 3 man front with some variances in coverage. That's just not a good offense for this league and it's boring as shit to watch. Next year? It will be the same shit week after week
Everyone needs to pump the brakes and see how this plays out. No one has a crystal ball about how the Leach tenure will ultimately turn out, so to act like you know exactly what will happen is just silly.
Leach has won in places like Starkville. It's hard to win in both Lubbock and Pullman and the guy did it at both. So I have some hope he can do it here too.
This year should be a wash for all teams. Covid made it extremely difficult for all teams to prepare adequately, and especially hard for teams changing offensive philosophies. Also, the fans have no idea what kind of restrictions coaches were dealing with on a day to day basis.
The offense looked pretty bad in the middle of the season, and gave me a lot of doubt. But, we turned it around some in the last 2 games , and showed life despite starting a majority of freshman and having 49 scholarship players available. That gives me some hope for the future. It would have been very easy to just give up on the season and we did not do that. I credit Leach for that leadership.
So going forward, we will see. I do think Leach can be successful here, but I will base all thoughts going forward on results. All other fans should do the same.
Lolz. Yes, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
A HS coach. You give too much credit to being a HS COACH.80% of HS coaches aren?t that sharp. The elite HS coaches win any where they go because 80% of their competitors are not very good at what they do. I was a referee for almost 30 years, hell most Coaches didn?t even know the rules of football, the ones that did whipped that ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Pump the break UniversityQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Do we have a choice but to let it play out?
Would destroy message boards if we didn't discuss this stuff
But to be fair you have to throw in the probability that our players will be more comfortable at attacking this. I dont think its fair to assume we wont be better at learning how to find the space in defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
There are just 2 very clear sides in the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
No one knows anything going forward based on this season. Good or bad.
That's what I was getting at.
Dude, take your L and enjoy the rain hitting that tin roof on your trailer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And as a HS Coach- year after year I see referees on Friday night that are among the dumbest people I've ever met. Some that havent seen a dentist since Reagan was President. HS coaches today teach Math, Technology, Science and other relevant classes. Hell, I was on the Academic Competition Team in juco that finished 4th out of 18 teams. Leach is a lawyer. Acting like Coaches are dumb is really just being disingenuousQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I could never live in a rolling house. I have to have a big kitchen and an area for grilling. But feel free to keep throwing your personal insults that are far off base as usualQuote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Were you the founder of the 2012 "I believe tour"?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Facts are facts. When the air raid is lighting people up, we can call it that but so far what has been shown is worst O in MSU history or at least tied with WCO from Croom.
True but this thread started out with facts only.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Too many on the other side insists that Leach's system is working and we have turned the corner, we are competing with blue bloods now (after UGA loss) like we never have before.
I don't know how it turns out either but like Moorhead, after a certain time it became clear he was lost and didn't know how to get out. Leach looks much the same. We ain't going to run the ball on weak run Ds in 3 man front. He just proved it. He does what he does every game regardless of what a D does or not. He has 20 years to prove it too.
Yes I know but he's a winner, well one caveat - he ain't done it in the SEC. We'll see but pump the brakes on we gonna win 8 next year (Gun) and anyone else. Just an ignorant prediction based on what we have witnessed this year.