New sheriff in town

Another thing I'll add about attitudes is that you really see what your team is made of when they are struggling. Most people are on the same page when you're excited about the season starting and as long as you're winning, but when you lose a few games that's when you start to see a divide sometimes. The pouting starts and certain guys are mad that they aren't getting more opportunities on a team that's having a tough time.

That's one area where I will give Mullen a lot of credit, our players under his tenure always seemed to be pretty steady no matter how things were going. Obviously the culture of the program took a dip under Moorhead, and Leach is still trying to fix that it would seem.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yea, until Fall camp started, I would venture to say Leach spent way more time in Key West than Starkville since getting hired in January.

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He may have been trying to stay Covid-isolated, and he has a nice place down there. Plus, there wasn't much he could have done in Starkville.

Anybody know if Leach has bought a house in the Starkville area?

I hate it for KJ as putting the pieces together he knows his body is failing him and that messes with your head. I know the defense was different but the body language and throws have indeed just looked different the past two weeks.

Much like Tommy we've been unlucky to have two talented QB's look good game 1 and then succumb to injuries by the 2nd-3rd game and not able to effectively play through them.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

KJ wasnt 100% before LSU and its not getting better.. It sucks for the kid , came here to build his resume for the league and to help us win football games..
Wouldnt shock me if he is shut down sooner than later..

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If he is injured, and it certainly looks like he is, it's not in his or the team's best interest to keep playing him. He could suffer further injury. Maybe sitting out a couple of games will give him time to get better. Hope so.

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

You're addressing a lot of things that aren't mutually exclusive. Guys can still ride the fence despite going through hard workouts. Discipline can still be good, yet not 100% are buying in 9 months in. Most guys can buy in and you can still have a couple malcontents. You can fail to defeat the 3-8 because of execution and still have malcontents. You can have malcontents and your scheme have a problem with the 3-8.

The primary message from Leach is they have to coach better and execute better. Also there are malcontents so we need to make sure we are playing the right guys. All those things can be true without it being confusing, spin or BS.

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You can have malcontents at any point - you could be 7-0 and ranked #1, and have a player be so self centered that they tank the rest of the season because the coach wouldn't put them in late in to get 2 extra yards so they could say they ran for 200 once.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You can have malcontents at any point - you could be 7-0 and ranked #1, and have a player be so self centered that they tank the rest of the season because the coach wouldn't put them in late in to get 2 extra yards so they could say they ran for 200 once.

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Yeah, but that's a not likely, highly hypothetical situation. **

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You can have malcontents at any point - you could be 7-0 and ranked #1, and have a player be so self centered that they tank the rest of the season because the coach wouldn't put them in late in to get 2 extra yards so they could say they ran for 200 once.

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Rep given!

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You can have malcontents at any point - you could be 7-0 and ranked #1, and have a player be so self centered that they tank the rest of the season because the coach wouldn't put them in late in to get 2 extra yards so they could say they ran for 200 once.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yea, until Fall camp started, I would venture to say Leach spent way more time in Key West than Starkville since getting hired in January.

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What the hell was he going to do? No head coach is involved in voluntary workouts and summer workouts. That's what the S&C team is for. They did their jobs. Hell, Mullen took the damn summer off other than camps.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

His release is quicker for sure. I think something is wrong with Costello. He's always had a slow release, but the ball just looks awkward coming out of his hand. He has a good arm bc he showed it at Stanford, but it's been MIA the last two weeks.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You can have malcontents at any point - you could be 7-0 and ranked #1, and have a player be so self centered that they tank the rest of the season because the coach wouldn't put them in late in to get 2 extra yards so they could say they ran for 200 once.

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Yes, true.

I recall Josh Robinson go Malcontent in 2014. This “malcontent” shenanigans belongs in video games, new wrinkle.

Jay Cutler, QB Chicago was basically always Malcontent, especially against the Packers

FIFA 2020 should make all Manchester United players randomly perform every game. Between attitude and marijuana- Pogba should be speed 50 to speed 96.

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Originally Posted by NWADAWG

KJ has made several comments about how intense, in terms of physical contact, our practices are. I know that contact teaches your body to be able to take contact. So, is it just hard to come from a conference / background where there is less contact to a place where there is more and more intense contact without being injured. Is this just an issue with it taking their bodies longer to adjust and causing higher rate of injury. These guys are athletes and have at least taken some hits in their past so I used to think they would adjust fairly easily. I don't really think so any more.

Dak and Fitz grew up being hit like running backs and it they took a ton of hits in college without too much injury from contact (dirty ankle twist does not count).

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I would be willing to bet that KJ doesn't get hit in practice

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

I would be willing to bet that KJ doesn't get hit in practice

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He watches the men hit each other

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

He may have been trying to stay Covid-isolated, and he has a nice place down there. Plus, there wasn't much he could have done in Starkville.

Anybody know if Leach has bought a house in the Starkville area?

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I believe the another said they looked at 12? Before they finally bought one. The only thing that crossed my mind is I didn't realize we had that many multi-million dollar homes in the area.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You can have malcontents at any point - you could be 7-0 and ranked #1, and have a player be so self centered that they tank the rest of the season because the coach wouldn't put them in late in to get 2 extra yards so they could say they ran for 200 once.

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I remember that crap. @ Kentucky 2014. I lost a lot of respect for JRob that day.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

I believe the another said they looked at 12? Before they finally bought one. The only thing that crossed my mind is I didn't realize we had that many multi-million dollar homes in the area.

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Anybody every buy Mullen's house? As I recall, it was over $1M but not by a lot.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

I believe the another said they looked at 12? Before they finally bought one. The only thing that crossed my mind is I didn't realize we had that many multi-million dollar homes in the area.

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He bought a house off old West Point rd.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Anybody every buy Mullen's house? As I recall, it was over $1M but not by a lot.

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Yes

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yes

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Did you find the hidden shrine to Scientology?**

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Did you find the hidden shrine to Scientology?**

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Haha. Not me....

Do we know if anyone has actually been "purged" from the team? If not, do we know if we have had really good buy in this week during practice?

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

Do we know if anyone has actually been "purged" from the team? If not, do we know if we have had really good buy in this week during practice?

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I heard it "clicked" this week.***

“What do you think of your team’s execution coach?” To which John McKay replied, “I’m in favor of it.”

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

Do we know if anyone has actually been "purged" from the team? If not, do we know if we have had really good buy in this week during practice?

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If I had to guess there were probably some talks to players about what is acceptable and if they choose not to change then they will be purged.

I can get behind that, I think not buying in has been a huge reason for the lack of execution and lack of hustle. If this has been corrected and we play much better at QB, we should give A&M a four quarter game.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I can get behind that, I think not buying in has been a huge reason for the lack of execution and lack of hustle. If this has been corrected and we play much better at QB, we should give A&M a four quarter game.

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It would definitely help. The attitude hasn't been right for a long time. Osirus not fighting for the ball cost us a TD. He fights for that and it's a 5 point game in all likelihood. That's just an obvious example that stood out to me.

And I don't like it when our players talk trash and then they don't back it up on the field. Way too much of that going on.

Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

My only problem with all this "new sheriff in town" is that its October.

He was hired in January.

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Yeah. Something happened between January and now. Can you guess?

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I remember that crap. @ Kentucky 2014. I lost a lot of respect for JRob that day.

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Agree but Mullen was in the wrong for not getting him those extra two yards. Coaches have to manage personalities

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree but Mullen was in the wrong for not getting him those extra two yards. Coaches have to manage personalities

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And Josh was known to be unmanageable. Josh had the talent to be a 3 year starter - we all saw the flashes of it. But, he couldn't get out of his own way. And, Josh did have a chance - he just didn't make it. He got a carry on 1st down with 1:22 left in the game - and only got 4 yards. At that point, we took 2 knees and ran the clock. I'd have a totally different opinion if he hadn't been sent back out for that short last series. Keep in mind too that even though it wound up a 2 score game - one minute earlier the game was in doubt as UK had just closed the lead to 7 and attempted an onside kick - which Turtle ran back for a TD to clinch the game. I don't know that I would have tempted the football gods after that just to give 2 vanity yards to a stat sheet. I'm GTFO with the win.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yeah. Something happened between January and now. Can you guess?

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😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And Josh was known to be unmanageable. Josh had the talent to be a 3 year starter - we all saw the flashes of it. But, he couldn't get out of his own way. And, Josh did have a chance - he just didn't make it. He got a carry on 1st down with 1:22 left in the game - and only got 4 yards. At that point, we took 2 knees and ran the clock. I'd have a totally different opinion if he hadn't been sent back out for that short last series. Keep in mind too that even though it wound up a 2 score game - one minute earlier the game was in doubt as UK had just closed the lead to 7 and attempted an onside kick - which Turtle ran back for a TD to clinch the game. I don't know that I would have tempted the football gods after that just to give 2 vanity yards to a stat sheet. I'm GTFO with the win.

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As a coach, you have to know what makes your players tick and your job is to get the most out of them.

Has Mullen done what was in the best interest of his team instead of making a point, J Rob would've likely been more engaged for the rest of the season & MSU's best team may have won more games.

I'm not saying in any way that J Rob was in the right, but Mullen should've just gotten him the yards or told him prior the the last carry that his is your last chance

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yeah. Something happened between January and now. Can you guess?

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Whatever it was - it certainly didn't affect the team's dedication/desire/attitude/hustle/work ethic or whatever excuse people are now laying at our player's feet when we kicked the shit out LSU when their DC kept blitzing the air raid.

Its amazing how I didn't see anything about any of these issues when Pelini was showing how not to defend the air raid. KJ was winning the Heisman, no talk of purging or malcontents just a dominant football team.
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What has changed the last two weeks? One damn thing - we have faced the 3-8 defense in back to back weeks, and instead of the blame being thrown on the Coach, it is the players and their bad attitudes or selfishness or whatever crap you want to throw their way. Its a lot easier to shit on our players and blame them for looking awful in back to back games, as opposed to looking at the HC who refuses to adapt his offense regardless of the talent of his team.

The reason its easier to do that is because no one wants to admit that maybe we have a problem with a HC that can't solve the 3-8. He didn't solve it against Washington. Go back and watch the Wazzu/Oregon game - I did last night, Oregon didn't stay in a 3-8. They rushed 4 and 5 at times, and Wazzu ate it up. When they sat back and only rushed 3, Wazzu struggled. The problem is that most DC don't have the patience to sit back and play 3-8 all game. Also, Oregon was terrible making tackles in open space.

Instead of crapping on our players, maybe we should ask that our coach solve the 3-8 by coming up with some sets that can take advantage of a prevent defense.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Whatever it was - it certainly didn't affect the team's dedication/desire/attitude/hustle/work ethic or whatever excuse people are now laying at our player's feet when we kicked the shit out LSU when their DC kept blitzing the air raid.

Its amazing how I didn't see anything about any of these issues when Pelini was showing how not to defend the air raid. KJ was winning the Heisman, no talk of purging or malcontents just a dominant football team.
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What has changed the last two weeks? One damn thing - we have faced the 3-8 defense in back to back weeks, and instead of the blame being thrown on the Coach, it is the players and their bad attitudes or selfishness or whatever crap you want to throw their way. Its a lot easier to shit on our players and blame them for looking awful in back to back games, as opposed to looking at the HC who refuses to adapt his offense regardless of the talent of his team.

The reason its easier to do that is because no one wants to admit that maybe we have a problem with a HC that can't solve the 3-8. He didn't solve it against Washington. Go back and watch the Wazzu/Oregon game - I did last night, Oregon didn't stay in a 3-8. They rushed 4 and 5 at times, and Wazzu ate it up. When they sat back and only rushed 3, Wazzu struggled. The problem is that most DC don't have the patience to sit back and play 3-8 all game. Also, Oregon was terrible making tackles in open space.

Instead of crapping on our players, maybe we should ask that our coach solve the 3-8 by coming up with some sets that can take advantage of a prevent defense.

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I don't disagree with everything you say and especially putting accountability on the couches, BUT ...

We do have an attitude problem with some players on the team. That was especially evident with #5 and #8. We all saw #5 and the issues he had and the resulting penalties. But what may have gone unnoticed was #8 head butting a KY player that tackled him on the sidelines, or the trash talking (jawing) that went on after every play he had the ball. Every time he was tackled he jumped up mouthing off at the opponent making all sorts of gestures with his hands and arms. All of that crap is unnecessary especially if you are not backing it up with effort during the play. There are player attitude issues!

Now hopefully, after this past week, with the come to Jesus meeting we supposedly had, that will change - the coach did take accountability and control of the situation.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I can get behind that, I think not buying in has been a huge reason for the lack of execution and lack of hustle. If this has been corrected and we play much better at QB, we should give A&M a four quarter game.

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I haven't really seen that. Mitchell didn't give effort and let a TD catch just be taken from him. Other than that, it just seems like our QB and WR have not bee on the same page. Kylin taps out every other play, but I haven't noticed him slacking when he does play. I don't think our OL have been getting beat because of lack of effort for the most part.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

As a coach, you have to know what makes your players tick and your job is to get the most out of them.

Has Mullen done what was in the best interest of his team instead of making a point, J Rob would've likely been more engaged for the rest of the season & MSU's best team may have won more games.

I'm not saying in any way that J Rob was in the right, but Mullen should've just gotten him the yards or told him prior the the last carry that his is your last chance

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We don't know that he didn't. I think 3 years of frustration with Josh probably caught up to Dan at that point. But, Dan had given Josh every opportunity to get with the program and we all know he never really did. I can totally see why you don't reward the guy that you have to hand hold constantly. That is also taking the good of the team and the good of the program into consideration. JoMo just showed us the the consequences of the method you are saying Dan should have employed.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Whatever it was - it certainly didn't affect the team's dedication/desire/attitude/hustle/work ethic or whatever excuse people are now laying at our player's feet when we kicked the shit out LSU when their DC kept blitzing the air raid.

Its amazing how I didn't see anything about any of these issues when Pelini was showing how not to defend the air raid. KJ was winning the Heisman, no talk of purging or malcontents just a dominant football team.
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What has changed the last two weeks? One damn thing - we have faced the 3-8 defense in back to back weeks, and instead of the blame being thrown on the Coach, it is the players and their bad attitudes or selfishness or whatever crap you want to throw their way. Its a lot easier to shit on our players and blame them for looking awful in back to back games, as opposed to looking at the HC who refuses to adapt his offense regardless of the talent of his team.

The reason its easier to do that is because no one wants to admit that maybe we have a problem with a HC that can't solve the 3-8. He didn't solve it against Washington. Go back and watch the Wazzu/Oregon game - I did last night, Oregon didn't stay in a 3-8. They rushed 4 and 5 at times, and Wazzu ate it up. When they sat back and only rushed 3, Wazzu struggled. The problem is that most DC don't have the patience to sit back and play 3-8 all game. Also, Oregon was terrible making tackles in open space.

Instead of crapping on our players, maybe we should ask that our coach solve the 3-8 by coming up with some sets that can take advantage of a prevent defense.

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Where can I watch it?

Listed to Bo Bounds this morning and Rosebowl was on there saying he expects KJ to start but be on a very short leash.

When you’re having to give someone an incredibly short leash because of recent play, it usually doesn’t end very well. That sometimes is in the QB’s head and he’s trying not to screw up to not get pulled and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Why not just go ahead and make the change to try and create a spark? Tell Will he’s starting and give him all week to work with the 1’s so he gets familiar with them instead of making him wait on the sidelines for KJ to screw up and then thrust him into action off the bench again. That’s just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

As a coach, you have to know what makes your players tick and your job is to get the most out of them.

Has Mullen done what was in the best interest of his team instead of making a point, J Rob would've likely been more engaged for the rest of the season & MSU's best team may have won more games.

I'm not saying in any way that J Rob was in the right, but Mullen should've just gotten him the yards or told him prior the the last carry that his is your last chance

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I completely disagree with this. You're there to win games. Not chase stats.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Whatever it was - it certainly didn't affect the team's dedication/desire/attitude/hustle/work ethic or whatever excuse people are now laying at our player's feet when we kicked the shit out LSU when their DC kept blitzing the air raid.

Its amazing how I didn't see anything about any of these issues when Pelini was showing how not to defend the air raid. KJ was winning the Heisman, no talk of purging or malcontents just a dominant football team.
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What has changed the last two weeks? One damn thing - we have faced the 3-8 defense in back to back weeks, and instead of the blame being thrown on the Coach, it is the players and their bad attitudes or selfishness or whatever crap you want to throw their way. Its a lot easier to shit on our players and blame them for looking awful in back to back games, as opposed to looking at the HC who refuses to adapt his offense regardless of the talent of his team.

The reason its easier to do that is because no one wants to admit that maybe we have a problem with a HC that can't solve the 3-8. He didn't solve it against Washington. Go back and watch the Wazzu/Oregon game - I did last night, Oregon didn't stay in a 3-8. They rushed 4 and 5 at times, and Wazzu ate it up. When they sat back and only rushed 3, Wazzu struggled. The problem is that most DC don't have the patience to sit back and play 3-8 all game. Also, Oregon was terrible making tackles in open space.

Instead of crapping on our players, maybe we should ask that our coach solve the 3-8 by coming up with some sets that can take advantage of a prevent defense.

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Funny, Leach did blame the coaches and himself before he called out the attitudes. But, it's just shitting on players. Take that shit somewhere else!
And we'll see if this all works out down the road. It may, it may not. You yourself said we were going to be a pass heavy team and we should all watch WSU. Said he wouldn't change and why should he because it works. Now, you're quitting like the players that are in trouble. So I'd think you could figure it out.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

As a coach, you have to know what makes your players tick and your job is to get the most out of them.

Has Mullen done what was in the best interest of his team instead of making a point, J Rob would've likely been more engaged for the rest of the season & MSU's best team may have won more games.

I'm not saying in any way that J Rob was in the right, but Mullen should've just gotten him the yards or told him prior the the last carry that his is your last chance

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Hell no. You don?t compromise the good of the team for anyone. That would be a very Moorhead move