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You're being an idiot today and emotional for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not discussing anything with you today unless you temper down and think logically.
Arkansas will not stand in the way of MSU being a good team. They're limited. We don't really compete with them for recruits and they won't be dynamic enough under Pittman to beat us if we're better than a 7 win type team.
I didn't say we would be. I just mean that when we're good, they won't be a factorQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I think leach will be successful by our standards. When he gets his system rolling, we'll win 7-9 games most years. Recruiting in the 30s and throwing constantly though will put a ceiling on our program though imo. I do think it will be fun though
If we don't loose another game will we be competing for the west this year?
Yeah, totally could happen....Quote:
Originally Posted by Percho
Sure you did "If we're competing for the west soon". That's a big IF. We're at a minimum two years from being really Improved IMO. And we better sign some D talent next round if that's going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
He'll recruit better than the 30s.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think he gets in the top 30 this year with the worst instate class in a decade or more
My point was simply that Arkansas floor has been raised, but I see nothing to suggest that their ceiling has been raised. If we're good, they won't be an issue. If we're mediocre, then Arkansas will be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Pittman looks like he's building a 5-7 win type program. I don't see much more with the style they play and the assurance that they'll lose coordinators soon
If he can get in the 20s and occasionally upper teens, that would change my opinion. I do think leach will struggle with upper level sec teams bc of talent deficit though, and we can probably go ahead and write a loss to someone we shouldn't lose to in with a pen too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Outside of bama at the very top and Vandy at the very bottom looks like everyone else is pretty dang close. Lot of parity this year.
I think it'll be different that Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think the air raid evens out the game a good bit because it take so much of the trench warfare out of the game where more talented teams typically dominate. That also works against us though with teams we are more talented than.
I think with Leach, we'll see more upsets of blue bloods while also losing a few more to Arkansas type teams, but I'm perfectly fine with that. Having the ability to beat a blue blood every once in a while brings hope that you can win big.
I'll take that over Mullen's style
Georgia, Florida, and aTm are all good teams imo. That's my top 4 with a good bit of distance to #5. Now 5-14, anything could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
He will recruit solid. I think we're going to pull an out of state 5 star at some point and the WR recruiting should be really good, which should raise our recruiting range due it being a position we've historically recruited terribly atQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Everyone needs to realize Leach was a solid B hire. No doubt he will win big games and lose some clunkers almost every year. I think Cohen did well given the choices of 2019/2020, but if it was true Clawson was interested or Whittingham before Moorhead I?m not sure what he was thinking with the hires he made. 2018 should?ve been Whittingham 1 and Neal Brown 2. Last year should?ve been Clawson 1 though
This kind of thinking right here is what Separates the haves from the have-nots in this world. Sometimes I don't know why you are on this board vs. being on the aggie board,Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
A&M is bipolar. If they were playing Arkansas in their 1st game instead of Vandy, they would've lost as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I need more evidence of consistency from A&M before believing they're good
So the fact that Arkansas can compete and possibly win on the road at Auburn should calm everyone down a little bit about our game last week.
It still sucks that we lost, but the people insisting that Arkansas hasn't improved a lot since last year were clearly way wrong.
This makes my head spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
There is virtually no evidence that Leach was a B hire
Newsflash... what state is or isn't on the field has nothing to do with what I believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
This and Florida's defense is so bad they can lose to anyone in fact I'll say Florida will lose 2 more games this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Arkansas has consistently recruiting around us in the rankings, so they were massively underachieving. It appears to me that Pittman has raised them to kind of what they should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Arky has greatly improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Ark may have just got a huge turnover
Leach was an A+ hire at Texas Tech and an A++++ hire at Washington State. I doubt he'll drop all the way down to a B for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
There is nothing wrong with a B hire. I?m not by any means saying it?s bad. But Leach has been coaching for 15+ years with 1 divisional title.
What constitutes an A here? Mullen never won much of anything that mattered, but he was clearly an A in my mind. 7-9 wins (including bowl) a year by leach is an A hire without really elevating the programQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Mullen finished ranked 3 times in 9 years (2010, 2014, 2017, getting screwed by stupid voters in 2015), was in the mix for the West in November 3 times in 9 years (2014, 2015, 2017). More importantly, he convinced us to stop accepting mediocrity. Without Mullen elevating our expectations, most of our fans would have been happy with Moorhead going to 2 bowls and beating Ole Miss twice, rather than demanding he be fired. I agree that he's an A hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think Leach will probably be a little more successful on W/L record and beating "big name" teams, but who knows if he'll take us to Atlanta. He never played in a Big 12 or Pac-12 championship game, despite regularly being in the mix for it.
Who the hell is smith for Arkansas? Is he the next alvin kamara? Joke, but that kid is killing auburn
Arkansas is much improved. It makes sense we lost to them and beat LSU now. At first I thought it was a Leach thing but LSU might be the worst team in the west this year as crazy as that is
Arkansas good God
Auburn on the ropes
Auburn is badly out of shape. We will win that game.
They're much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
I don't love Franks, but he is experienced and I think that's really really helped them. Franks doesn't give away the game. He makes you beat them
Agree 100 percent. Ark might not win this one but they will win some games this year. They are using the LSU coordinator model and it?s working for them this year. Although Pittman might be a better head coach than Eddie O. Time will tellQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Malzahn's job might be on the line again here.
Worth noting... ark has gone unsuccessfully for 2 2-pt attempts. That would be a 3 pt lead. May end up costing him
Arkansas is following the LSU model of a coach that is charismatic and a good recruiter and then hire elite OC/DC. That model can work IF the school continues to find elite OC/DC because as we saw with LSU those coordinators will leave to further their career at some point. Probably best case scenario with that model is a program that is a roller coaster- see LSU last year vs. this year.
What kind of weird call will allow Auburn to win this ?
Mullen was a great hire for where we were in 2009 no question about that. We'll see what comes of Leach. I'm not really too concerned with SEC titles especially as long as Saban is at Alabama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Oh boy. Arky gonna win