True.. we put feelers out to three coaches. Once leach said yes I would talk we went all in. Napier told us wait til after bowl. JC and staff decided all in on MLQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
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True.. we put feelers out to three coaches. Once leach said yes I would talk we went all in. Napier told us wait til after bowl. JC and staff decided all in on MLQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Nobody else in the rumor mill was even close to as good a hire as Mike Leach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
That's the thing that kind of confused me about Judge. I'm sure he interviewed very well obviously since the Giants hired him but as of now he has zero head coaching experience. Technically less than Moorhead did and has a similar resume' at this point in his career as Croom. Leach has an almost 20 year track record of experience at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
How excited would our fans have been if we hired Judge and then brought in Derek Dooley as our OC?
I feel like judge and Napier were largely smokescreens in the end.
I heard we offered Judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Nah Judge was all but coming here until NY decided to give him the job. I don't think anyone expected him to get that job, including him. All things considered, I'm happy that it worked out the way it did, but I very much would've been on board with a Joe Judge hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
What about Judge would've excited you?Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Experience under Belichick and Saban, as well as the assistants that were rumored.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Again, I'm very happy with the way it all played out. We got the best available coach. I'm just saying I don't think Judge would've been a disaster like some.
Mike Leach was a home run hire. Napier would have been safe but he would have left us in a New York minute. Judge might have been the surprise of the century but his resume was lacking in a few areas.
It was more than a home run. It was a walk off grand slam to win a super regional. Everything else he had done up to that point had been a super 17up. Moorhead, Canzero, letting Lemonis move on, everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Am I missing something here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Agree. Whoa Nellie! Where did that come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
ETA: Surely he meant Mullen right?
Oh come on. He was just having an affair, sexting from the dugout during games, and lost the team because he was focusing on a different third base. Since when is that grounds for dismissal?Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Nm
Since Richard Williams at least, or maybe even since Babe McCarthy.**Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
What assistants did you hear would be coming with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Given their track record experience under Bellichick isn't necessarily a plus for me. He's not like Bill Walsh where he would groom guys to be head coaches. He wants coaches that know his system and fit his system and to stay around for a long time. Neither Saban nor Bellichick like to replace coaches.
Aaron Feld as strength coach. Will Hall as OC. Tosh Lupoi as DC/DL coach. Jody Wright in some capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Nope, Lemonis. (Edit: I should have said Henderson. I am dumb. )Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
For him to take over like he did, hold the team together, and get to Omaha. I think that deserved a very serious effort to keep him. One I don't think we made.
Henderson not Lemonis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
You are correct, I R Dumb. I got them backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bass Chaser
I'll always be grateful for what he did for us and respect him, but there is a reason no one snatched him up to be their head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
This is spot on. Gary deserved just compensation for the job he performed for our baseball program that year. And he deserved to be WELL compensated. But the compensation in NO way should have been the head coach position.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
is Bobby Collins still around ?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Agree, I'm very grateful to Henderson for what he did for us after Canny got canned. However, GH is in the twilight of his career whereas Lemonis could be the long term solution at our HC position. Everything certainly looks good on that front so far. Plus I don't think its even close when comparing the recruiting ability between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
I appreciate what Gary Henderson did too. But long term keeping him as the head coach would not have been what was best for MSU. Henderson is old school as a pitching coach and in this day and age if you want to attract the best arms you need someone that is more current- like a Wes Johnson or a Scott Foxhall. And yeah, I guess we could have kept Henderson and hired Foxhall but in doing that there is the potential for clashing on methods and things that could have caused problems. So then the only way it would have made sense is if Henderson was elite at strategy and in game managing and that year he showed that he was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
I think hiring Lemonis was a good decision overall. The only thing I would like to see is an assistant with MLB scouting ties on staff. And no I don't think anyone should be fired or anything like that but when one of our coaches leaves we definitely should try to go with someone in that direction. That was the thing that excited me the most about Cann- the scouting connections.
You don't think coach Gautreau has MLB connections he played pro ball and Canny hired him away from Scott Boras, the top agent in baseball.
Henderson deserves credit but not the HC position. The 2018 team was much more than Ron Polk's false dawn in 2007, because we beat Vandy in Nashville came 1-game shy of playing for a championship. That's about as good as 1985.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
But 2018 felt like a combination of luck and great southern engineering. After Ethan Small, that pitching staff was all duct tape, wire, flex-seal, clamps, prayer, and super-glue.
With Lemonis we won't have 1b'men closing games for us. We won't have a walk-on as the Saturday starter, 5 transfers in the starting 9, and we won't need to flip USM recruits at the last minute.
With Lemonis we are going to war with an elite talent level. If we could just get so lucky as the 2018 team, we would waltz to the damn NC.
By the way, I am not saying that Lemonis just turned this around on his own. Cohen, Cannizarro, and Henderson somehow kept the recruiting classes together. Cohen, back in 2011 barely had MSU recruiting on par with Kentucky. Today, we are better than everybody except Vandy and a few others. We might have achieved parity with LSU.
All good points Fed Eng
He has more connections to Boras- which is valuable but he doesn't have the scouting and front office connections that Cann did.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
The scouting connections are more valuable to me because they are part of the organizations that are actually picking the players.
Very good post. Although I will say Konnor Pilkington was a potential first round talent and under Henderson he ended up a third round guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
I think we were able to keep the classes mostly together because of what MSU baseball is. Which is a compliment to the MSU fans and our tradition. Butch Thompson took a few recruits with him that could have helped us like Jack Owen and that hurt us a little bit. Wes Johnson also took a couple to Arkansas if I remember correctly.
I think Cohen getting Chris Stratton was BIG back in the day. That was the first big Mississippi recruit we had landed since Mitch Moreland or Ed Easley back in the day.