Not trying to fear monger anything, I hope people don’t take it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
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Not trying to fear monger anything, I hope people don’t take it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Your prescription, doctor**Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsrE-9CLFg
Nope. One is a 65 yr old woman who got it in NC and is at Merit. The other an older man that got it in FL. He is quarantined at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm about to make a run on my bank and dump it in the market after a few more days of tanking.
Looks like it's bouncing back pretty good now. Great dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Mjoelner34
Speaking of testing, I read an article today that said that it was discovered that the test initially used in China returned a 40% false negative result meaning 4 out of every 10 that actually had it tested negative.
That would mean it's much less lethal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mjoelner34
Is it pride that makes people think they have to act like things are A OK because they don't want people to think they are panicking.
Staying homes as much as possible for the next couple of weeks isn't panicking. Being aware this could be very very bad. Isn't panicking.
It's being aware of what is going on. It's taking the time to look at what is happening in other countries right now.
There has to be a reason people willfully ignore smart advice from people that are actually trained on the subject.
The younger generations don't see any difference between cash and their debit card (or credit card, for that matter). They don't even like dealing with cash. They don't want cash.
The older generation that might remember a real bank run is hunkered down and afraid to go out. Taking cash out of the bank means they would have to keep it at home and that would make them more afraid.
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Originally Posted by revdrdawg
I'm mid 50s and rarely deal in cash. Even my 85-year-old mother uses credit cards. We're no longer a cash society.
Society may not be but I’m prepared. I’ve been stashing cash for years. It may be foolish not investing that money but at times like this, it seems pretty smart. When I say cash, I’m not talking about numbers on a bank statement, I’m talking about silver coins and hundred dollar bills in a safety deposit box and a safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
My sister works for the state of Washington in their elderly care admin office. They have been at the center of this for nearly 2 months trying to prepare. She's been in meetings with people who hours later were quarantined because they'd had direct contact with someone who tested positive. Thursday she started feeling like shit, headaches, dry cough, etc. she tried getting tested and was told she's not a high enough risk to get one of their few tests available. She's trying to do online consultations with healthcare providers to get unofficially diagnosed anyway and can't even get through to them, she'll be arbitrarily moved up and down the queue, switched from one doctor's waiting list to another, and then just canceled altogether. Went through that cycle 5 times yesterday after spending hours on the phone and being told the online consultation was her best bet. She's in her mid-30s good health, so she's hunkered down in her apartment and will probably be fine, but it absolutely unacceptable how ****ed trump and company have handled the severity of this situation (my sisters boss said the fed testing was "a complete and utter failure" 2 weeks ago, and sure as **** it's played out like that). so there's a likely case right there that's not official for those only looking at official numbers.
There's a line at the end of the movie sorry to bother you that really hit home for me and explains why people react to abnormal shit the way they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
"If you get shown a problem, but have no idea how to control it, then you just decide to get used to the problem."
I think that explains the psych behind folks calling everything an "overreaction".
Lmao what kind of gaslight. I'm not "panicking". I'm venting my frustration. I'm angry. Our response as a nation to this has been awful. It's going to cost more lives than it should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKotter
I'm recognizing where we are failing. Educating those who aren't taking this serious enough to prevent this if it were to happen again. Cause I swear if I lose a loved one (especially my grandmother) to this dumb virus, I will flip shit.
Yes, this virus is "weaker than the common flu." You're not wrong for pointing that out, you're missing the point. For the flu, we have vaccines and medication specifically made to combat it. For coronavirus we really don't. So while the flu unchecked may have a (the following are hypothetical numbers, we don't know the true numbers so I'm using placeholders to show an example) 10% kill rate, when it's checked with our heathcare system and good treatment it's only 0.01%. On the flip side the coronavirus unchecked could be a 0.5% kill rate unchecked. With our monitoring at this point we can cut that in half to 0.25%. If that's how it is then the flu is 20X more lethal than coronavirus. But if you're going to the doctor than coronavirus is 25X more lethal than the flu.
That's why we have to take this seriously. We have next to nothing to combat this specifically yet. And we sat on our ass and let this thing go uncontained when it's supposed to be invisible but in your system for up to 9 days before showing any symptoms (could have changed since then, but that was the thought weeks ago.) We had that knowledge, ignored it, sat on our ass, and now it's too late for at least 50 Americans and a number that will climb every day.
There's nothing panicking or worrying can do at this point. Anger and ensuring that whoever our leaders (as i've stated elsewhere, i don't care you political side. this should be a nonpartisan issue. either you want to help everyone american or you want to hurt every american) are prepared for this and give Americans the resources and ability to survive a pandemic.
So much this. Great movie and perfect application of that message. That quote is very relevant now. Bravo.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca
For the folks into data and numbers. Basically with extreme social distancing and lockdowns, mortality rate can stay under 1%, but once the hospitals get overrun mortality rate goes up to ~4%. If we wait until hospitals are already overrun to get concerned/panic/overreact then we are too late. Really we are probably already too late as folks start to develop symptoms over the next 1-2 weeks from contact prior to the "leader" of the country taking it seriously.
The hospital/medical infrastructure is about to undergo a massive stress test. The lack of available treatment is a real risk. And I salute the private sector and sport league postponements. I hope it woke our leadership up....as that has been a circus response with contradictory information.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
I hear what you are saying, and read everything from every side, but have questions(honestly asking)Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
1. Trump had a travel ban on China Jan 31, and Europe just a few days ago.....both were criticized heavily by democrats. Did they F it up also by criticizing the travel bans? What if we followed the democrats comments and not had the travel bans? I cannot follow on here who is giving facts and who is starting to let their political leanings get into the comments.
2. The government testing procedures etc. are government regulations already in place for years, and red tape for any private company to just step in and provide testing etc, right? At least the way I hear it. And so Trump recently has put pressure to allow private companies to get involved. Honestly correct me here if I misunderstand.
3. To me these intermingling of political comments is exactly why people are questioning any data being presented, and why it could be harmful to the public on really trusting who is providing data only
1. Could you source that. I want to know who thinks it's a bad idea. The only criticism that I've been aware is how long it took to get to this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
2. It's not about private testing or any of that. It's the fact that American's can't afford it. Katie Porter had to hold the director of the CDC's feet to the fire for him to commit to using an authority he had known about for a week to allow for free testing of the American people. The procedures being set the way they are for years is a cheap argument. Why do you think one of the furthest right countries is behind all these leftist countries on our testing policies and procedures. It's got to be because of the left stopping the right from being progressive****
3. Politics always makes people think there is an agenda. The only agenda I have is protecting my loved ones. The leaders in office currently have shown they pose a direct threat to that with their incompetence on this issue. They either need to adapt and learn or be replaced. The fact of the matter is that healthcare shouldn't be an issue here. We shouldn't have to side with pro-choice abortion just because we have the common sense that we should all be able to survive getting sick. Shouldn't have to side against your religious belief that a marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman to support your religious belief that you should support thy neighbor.
It's simple really. The leaders of this country have proven themselves unfit to handle a national emergency correctly. Regardless of anything else, they should be replaced with people who will enact policies that will better protect and serve this country. Regardless of political affiliation.
Better to stash gold / precious metals imo. The value of a dollar is fluid. Metals and materials keep going up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgbite
1. You aren’t seriously asking for a source are you? “Travel bans are racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and just mean”. That is the automatic response from democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Would shave close to a percent off the 3% number people are reporting from China.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Italy is at 7.1% death rate at the moment for what it's worth.
17660 total cases
1266 deaths
3 weeks ago they only had 3 total cases.
21157 total casesQuote:
Originally Posted by hacker
1441 deaths
6.8% death rate
Hoops on SPS said the mean death age in Italy is 81. Their seniors are being hammered
Anyone else heard that doctors around the state think this bug has been here since before thanksgiving? My family got hit with something very similar in January. Hack cough...fever...headache...just general tiredness. Feel a lot better in about 4 days but not back 100% for a week or so.
I’m not saying I think we had it. But I had a medical friend say that now they think we may have. As they started seeing a spike in those symptoms with negative flu and strep tests since christmas.
The argument against it is that we were back to work/school in less than a week and I’m not sure we infected a pile of folks. Just curious if this is just one persons theory or something the medical community is truly offering up.
I think the China ban was more of "thats too late and not going to solve the issue and we aren't doing enough here now, so this ban is mostly optics cause it's already here" criticism, but the right definitely assume any criticism is calling them racist if one person remotely mentions race as a part of the criticism and misses the big picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
The criticism of the Europe ban was that it wasn't clear what the **** he meant. They had to issue statements after the fact not just clarifying what it meant, but contradicting stuff trump explicitly stated in his speech, like that the ban applied to goods, then it didn't apply to goods. Biggest political moment since 9/11 and he can't even tell us a clear policy.
Incompetent leadership is a damn understatement. Our response and the rhetoric from the top has been embarrassing and dangerous. Good God stop enabling this.
?Buy the ticket, take the ride.?
There was a doctor in Seattle wanting to test flu tests for it since January but kept getting rebuffed by the feds. Finally broke the law and did it anyway at the end of February and found at least 2 cases in Seattle that were picked up in the community, not thru travel, so it's been around since at least around New Years.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Dang my numbers were from this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yes I am. Because in this scenario the bans absolutely are not and I don't believe for a second that that is the actual criticism. Again the only criticism of this is how poorly it has been handled, how too little too late it is, or how it's not even clear what we banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
So again, source it. Do that instead of making it up in your head that that is what any criticism is. Help me not vote for the idiots that seriously said what you claimed OR help yourself realize that they don't exist. That's what research will accomplish. Either way, we both win when you do some research here. So please, source it.
I really think my granddaughter had it a month ago. High fever and looked like death. Felt horrible and vomiting. Tested negative for flu and put on antibiotics and sent home for the usual treatments. A few days later she was back at the Dr's office. Really high fever again, 104. Tested negative again. Breathing treatments, etc.... Was told if fever didn't ease in another 24 hours she would be put in hospital. It started breaking the next day but remained a little high for days. Took several days but she was back to normal soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Now my wife, who is a nurse at a hospital where there have been confirmed cases, is home sick with fever. She's just toughing it out whatever it is!!
I got knocked on my ass last fall. Sore throat, fever, etc. Swore up and down it was streptococcus or flu. Both were negative. They said it was a virus and told me to rest. Didn't get a confirmation what virus. I was out of commission for a week. Idk if it was this specifically but it was damn close if not. That was back in late october.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
No disrespect because I understand the thought of toughing out illnesses. But please get her tested as soon as possible. If she is a nurse and in contact with people with several people with weakened immune systems then even when she starts to feel better she could still be contagious and infect them. This is why we need more testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Got a friend of mine that back in February was wiped out for about 5 days. 65 year old smoker. Flu tests came back negative. So I think you may be right. I had maybe a milder case maybe, since I had some chills around that time myself and felt sluggish and real tired. Wasn't wiped out like him tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
ETA: I'm also inclined to think now that the death rate is so high relative to the flu because there may have been a whole lot of cases that haven't been diagnosed. The death rate is just against diagnosed cases.
I would really like these rumors to be true. If it's been here for 2 months, the death rate for this virus isn't as high as we think right now. Personally, I think it (death rate) will drop considerably over the next month bc I think many more have it than we have documented
Agree. My friend also had a friend of his that had same thing he did and had negative flu tests. Neither of them could figure out what was wrong with them. My friend said he felt horrible and after looking at COVID-19 symptoms, said that is exactly what he was experiencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Has everyone in this thread seen the Joe Rogan episode on this yet? It’s the best info out there and isn’t political at all
Just watched part of it. Why is it the "best info"? Cause it seems this may be the next bubonic plague according the the infectious disease doctor he had on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
I'm also inclined to believe the "rates" over in China are dropping cause now that they're aware of it, people are actually getting tested for it now and have been for a while over there. And the rates that are soaring (like here in US) are because people are just now starting to get tested for it.