Mississippi People Need to Investigate & Turn In A&M Over McKinley Jackson

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Man, we're acting like Jeff Simmons or Chris Jones left the state. Sometimes these guys want to move. Look at Raekwon Davis...... and Nigel Knott. A&M also has the best facilities in the nation. And Jimbo Fisher can sell ketchup to a man in a white suit.

Sometimes these kids want to leave the state and maybe A&M promised early playing time where LSU and Bama told him he'd have to redshirt.

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I've been to A&M numerous times. Ridiculous for a Mississippi kid to choose them.

They're going 120 down the freeway flicking everyone off right now just like Ole Miss did and yet no one cares.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

No one is arguing about whether or not something was happening in the background of his recruitment.

Most agree it's odd we never got any interest or much of a look that I'm aware of. But it's recruiting. And it's not like this is something we haven't know since last fall.

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This is not directed at you Hoops.


If you can't see the fact that most of the schools that beat us out for these types of players are bluebloods typically (maybe not this one necessarily) and how kids have the desire to go play for them then I'm not sure how to help you. But the other similarity is they have tons of money. And A&M certainly does have money. Why is it always such a shock to some when cash and chargers are kings in this land for big-time recruits?

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It's not a shock. It's just endlessly frustrating and no one ever does anything about it.

When OM got Tunsil, all everyone said was "you can't cross state lines and buy players", but now that it's happened in Mississippi yet again, we don't say anything.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It's not a shock. It's just endlessly frustrating and no one ever does anything about it.

When OM got Tunsil, all everyone said was "you can't cross state lines and buy players", but now that it's happened in Mississippi yet again, we don't say anything.

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A&M is 1st or 2nd in annual revenue. OM is borderline top 25. That's the difference. You can "say" whatever you want. Either up the ante and match the price or let the chips fall where they may. That's the only choice in the matter.

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

A&M is 1st or 2nd in annual revenue. OM is borderline top 25. That's the difference. You can "say" whatever you want. Either up the ante and match the price or let the chips fall where they may. That's the only choice in the matter.

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So they are coming into Mississippi and buying players & yet we don't want to do anything about it?

You see to fall into the "we can't do anything about it" category

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Might as well try to eliminate air.

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Exactly. Which is why it's best to avoid those players. Which is what we are doing.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

So they are coming into Mississippi and buying players & yet we don't want to do anything about it?

You see to fall into the "we can't do anything about it" category

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I fall in to the "I don't care" category because it's not police-able in the current NCAA climate. You only have two choices for high profile prospects-pay the going rate and put your hat in the ring or don't. I don't worry about things that we can't change. We can't change the fact that this isn't a school that produces lawyers, doctors, CEO's, people of unlimited resources. We live in one of the poorest states in America. Do the math.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

So they are coming into Mississippi and buying players & yet we don't want to do anything about it?

You see to fall into the "we can't do anything about it" category

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I mean all we can do at MSU is identify elite players at a young age and educate their families on who to stay away from. But it's like educating people to not use meth. People still do it despite the side effects. People are still going to use handlers and they'll still be out there no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Exactly. Which is why it's best to avoid those players. Which is what we are doing.

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Some are friendly some are not, if they aren't your right no need to waist time better to move on. I think this last one is going to be a problem for A&M. There's a lot going on there.

What the hell are we going to do about it? March on the families house with pitchforks and torches ?
The NCAA is toothless and dying now. Why do you think LSU has upgraded their player buying game lately.A&M has just decided to join the party. They aren?t going to do shit to any of the schools that are diverting money to help keep money flowing into the NCAA hands.
Be happy we didn?t get Jackson,kid is a head case and will melt down at the first sign of adversity. A&M will regret he?s there before it?s said and done

All of this is another reason why I would favor a 70 limit of players on scholarships.

It would distribute the better talent to more teams.

Course it might drive up the coast of a five star but we aren't going to buy any of them anyway.

The quality of every game each weekend would go up.

Or you would have a low 4 star walking on at Alabama driving a Corvette.

Would clear up the picture anyway.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I mean all we can do at MSU is identify elite players at a young age and educate their families on who to stay away from. But it's like educating people to not use meth. People still do it despite the side effects. People are still going to use handlers and they'll still be out there no matter what.

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I think this is one of the downsides of recruiting rankings.

they put kids on a pedestal early, which leads to this issue being more prevalent.

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Originally Posted by Percho

All of this is another reason why I would favor a 70 limit of players on scholarships.

It would distribute the better talent to more teams.

Course it might drive up the coast of a five star but we aren't going to buy any of them anyway.

The quality of every game each weekend would go up.

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Exactly

7 page thread. An absolute meltdown.

all I got from it was you are "Raising awareness"

...in THE hell.

Print out this thread, take it to ANY psychologist in the united states and dont tell them you are shotgun. Just ask them what they think.

And then, lay there calmly. Trying to chew through the restraints will only make it worse.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

7 page thread. An absolute meltdown.

all I got from it was you are "Raising awareness"

...in THE hell.

Print out this thread, take it to ANY psychologist in the united states and dont tell them you are shotgun. Just ask them what they think.

And then, lay there calmly. Trying to chew through the restraints will only make it worse.

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Thank you for shopping at the quickie mart

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Originally Posted by DawgPoundtheRock

In this thread the only poster who has agreed with Shotgun's position is Percho, and his support seemed halfhearted at best.

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The way shotgun has been performing, I think he should change his login to Shovester

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This isn't sour grapes & this isn't even about MSU not getting McKinley Jackson.

However, can you imagine the reaction if MSU or Ole Miss signed in the #1 player in Texas? or Louisiana?

What happened when Ole Miss signed Tunsil?

What typically happens when 2nd tier schools, like A&M, cheat across state lines?

To me, it's one thing if Bama & LSU do it, mostly because I feel that we're helpless against it, but A&M is different. They don't have that status. They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt on the field.

Is Mississippi just open for business for Auburn, A&M, etc to just come in here every year & buy off our best players?

At what point do Mississippi people like Rosebowl, Yancy, etc step up & investigate this against an outside school instead of just throwing mud at each other?

To me, Mississippi people need to step up & nip this stuff in the bud or else it just shows everyone around the country that you can come into Mississippi & buy kids without risk. That only hurts our instate schools.

I realize this post will be unpopular to some, but why should Mississippi stand for this when other states don't?

To allow this to continue to happen is just a lack of self respect & zero pride.

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I'm not sure I'd call Texas A&M a "2nd tier school".

Plus, College Station isn't much farther from Lucedale than Starkville is. LSU is closer though.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I'm not sure I'd call Texas A&M a "2nd tier school".

Plus, College Station isn't much farther from Lucedale than Starkville is. LSU is closer though.

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A&M is absolutely a 2nd tier school when i comes to football. They aren't close to 1st tier. Look at their history for goodness sakes

I'd say 9 hours to College Station vs a little over 3 hours to Starkville is a pretty big difference. Not a very smart comment by you

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I've been to A&M numerous times. Ridiculous for a Mississippi kid to choose them.

They're going 120 down the freeway flicking everyone off right now just like Ole Miss did and yet no one cares.

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I had breakfast this morning with my golf buddies, all of whom are Alabama fans, and they expressed surprise that he didn't choose Bama. I guess they just didn't offer enough.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

A&M is absolutely a 2nd tier school when i comes to football. They aren't close to 1st tier. Look at their history for goodness sakes

I'd say 9 hours to College Station vs a little over 3 hours to Starkville is a pretty big difference. Not a very smart comment by you

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Yes it was. It was brilliant because I was watching the Weather Channel at the time and guessed from glancing at the map. **

Agree that A&M isn't top tier in football right now, but that has a lot to do with their old conference. I suspect they'll make some noise in the SEC before long.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I suspect they'll make some noise in the SEC before long.

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You're one of those types huh?

Good luck with that

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

7 page thread. An absolute meltdown.

all I got from it was you are "Raising awareness"

...in THE hell.

Print out this thread, take it to ANY psychologist in the united states and dont tell them you are shotgun. Just ask them what they think.

And then, lay there calmly. Trying to chew through the restraints will only make it worse.

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Haha. Probably true. The real reason he chose A&M was because of their cadet program along with their engineering college. You don't find that combination just anywhere. :rolleyes:

This is silly...
Jackson was never coming to State, and no matter what the OM brass will tell you he wasn’t going there either..
Some kids want to go to out of state schools. And yes we all know how recruiting works.. Some play the game better than others .. Some kids like all the games , some don’t.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think this is one of the downsides of recruiting rankings.

they put kids on a pedestal early, which leads to this issue being more prevalent.

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It's getting similar to baseball. Which is why I didn't freak out over us taking commits from 9th graders back when Brewster was here.

Some guys are going to be identified early- McKinley, Cam Akers, and etc. Some are going to emerge later in the process like Chris Jones.

It was a problem before recruiting rankings. Again I don't see any way around it.

Our recruiting problem in the past IMO aren't necessarily due to us being "Mississippi State". Dan was lazy. Period. These relationships take years and it's something that has to be worked at along with winning. That's why Leach and Moorhead were having to hit the JUCO and grad transfer market heavy. Dan had a decent plan but the only time it ever came together was 2014 when we were able to have all upperclassmen pretty much at every starting position. That's why I harp so much on making sure position groups are filled and addressed. We can be a developmental program and reach our ceiling but we can't with gaps. If we start to get to 9-10 wins a season then more of these handlers will send their guys to us.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You're one of those types huh?

Good luck with that

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Gun, you're taking the day way too seriously. It's only football. And yes, I think they'll be a lot better under Jimbo. Eventually.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Gun, you're taking the day way too seriously. It's only football. And yes, I think they'll be a lot better under Jimbo. Eventually.

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How much longer till "eventually" happens?

Also, the coaching in the West just got tougher with Leach.

I'm IN on the Greatest Thread, Evah...

I hope it runs as long as "Cats"....

I nominate it for a "sticky" or "HOF" consideration...

[QUOTE=ShotgunDawg;1228990]This isn't sour grapes & this isn't even about MSU not getting McKinley Jackson.

However, can you imagine the reaction if MSU or Ole Miss signed in the #1 player in Texas? or Louisiana?

What happened when Ole Miss signed Tunsil?

What typically happens when 2nd tier schools, like A&M, cheat across state lines?

A&M has more money than MSU, OM, ARK, MO combined. This is not an OM pulling Tunsil...

I can't believe this idiotic thread has made it 8 pages. But then again.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

A&M is absolutely a 2nd tier school when i comes to football. They aren't close to 1st tier. Look at their history for goodness sakes

I'd say 9 hours to College Station vs a little over 3 hours to Starkville is a pretty big difference. Not a very smart comment by you

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At first glance, this statement looks true. But it's actually false. They may not be a top tier football school but they SPEND like they are THE top football school. You do recruit like they have with consistently underwhelming and mediocre results without putting your monetary nuts on the table and spending cash.

They are an outlier in that they don't reap the rewards of solid recruiting. Most of the other schools that recruit Top 5 and Too 5 will get at least 1 year where they are 9-10 regular season wins or above. TAMU doesn't do that. Yet they still get recruits. They have $$$$ that we will NEVER be able to overcome. Unfortunate fact of football life. TAMU could do whatever they wanted to in football because of the money. They have a culture problem not being able to have had higher levels of success with their resources and $$$

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

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A&M has more money than MSU, OM, ARK, MO combined. This is not an OM pulling Tunsil...

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What does how much money A&M has have to do with this being similar to Tunsil?

Please explain this further if you will

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

At first glance, this statement looks true. But it's actually false. They may not be a top tier football school but they SPEND like they are THE top football school. You do recruit like they have with consistently underwhelming and mediocre results without putting your monetary nuts on the table and spending cash.

They are an outlier in that they don't reap the rewards of solid recruiting. Most of the other schools that recruit Top 5 and Too 5 will get at least 1 year where they are 9-10 regular season wins or above. TAMU doesn't do that. Yet they still get recruits. They have $$$$ that we will NEVER be able to overcome. Unfortunate fact of football life. TAMU could do whatever they wanted to in football because of the money. They have a culture problem not being able to have had higher levels of success with their resources and $$$

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So.... because they have money, they can go buy recruits unchecked?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

So.... because they have money, they can go buy recruits unchecked?

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Correct. The quicker you learn that the easier it will make this.

You have no evidence and are calling for others to put their careers on the line to investigate one kid. Did they pay him? I'm sure they did. But it's easy to be a martyr for a cause you aren't willing to put your career on the line for.

Get over it and move past it. It is what it is and that's how it will be. If we take care of our business things will work out.

I don't see why some do not understand how this deal worked.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Correct. The quicker you learn that the easier it will make this.

You have no evidence and are calling for others to put their careers on the line to investigate one kid. Did they pay him? I'm sure they did. But it's easy to be a martyr for a cause you aren't willing to put your career on the line for.

Get over it and move past it. It is what it is and that's how it will be. If we take care of our business things will work out.

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Why would someone's career be on the line?

Rosebowl's career was made by this.

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Originally Posted by timotheus

I don't see why some do not understand how this deal worked.

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Oh we get it. It's just that all we ever heard was you can't cross state lines and buy players.

Again, if MSU did what A&M just did, we'd be investigated to high hell

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I can't believe this idiotic thread has made it 8 pages. But then again.

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You just contributed to its longevity... oh wait! Damn!

He was compensated by more than 1 schools fans. In the end , he signed with the best deal, long term. Like Tunsil, he might not have wanted to go there but he had to.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

You just contributed to its longevity... oh wait! Damn!

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And you're still a dick. Bless your heart.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

And you're still a dick. Bless your heart.

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Joke went over your dumbass head... bless your heart.