That's where Leach conducted interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
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That's where Leach conducted interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Lord have mercy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I mean can you think of a better place? Away from the prying eyes and if you're not on Duval it's the perfect quiet place to sit down with someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Hmm, can't say I love that but I haven't done any research. We upped our assistant pool by a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
You don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Why don't you?
You don't think we have a smart enough person in house to do this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
it didn't strike you as convenient that Peterson & Gibson have been crisscrossing the state the last 2 days?
Ahh .. you're in one of your moods tonight. No I don't believe that. Rosie has just reported he's discussing the possible move with his family. The world doesn't revolve for EVERYONE around MSU ... whether you believe that or not. And I know you believe we just a tic below annually being as good as Bama ... but we ain't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Look man. Women's basketball game ended rough. Whole board about to be in a big time bad mood.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I saw it too. Only really paid attention last qtr. Gals fought hard in a hostile environment ... made some mistakes coming down the stretch. I didn't see anything that is cause for bashing any of the players really. Can they do better? Probably. Can Vic get better at close games against some teams? Probably. The way some of y'all are bashing them I just don't quite get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Yeah I?ve only been once, but I can understand wanting to stay in Key West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Iguana spotting and shark wranglingQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
So your negative perception of MSU is driving your belief here?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I threw out a completely plausible explanation for the delay yet you chose to believe the negative side with absolutely no evidence as to whether or not I'm right or wrong.
As for Rosie, he reports what he's allowed to report.
A) There wasn't anything negative about what I said as far a Newberry's reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
B) I don't have a negative perception of MSU but I also don't have a wild fantasy perception like you do either.
Tell me more about my wild fantasy perception. I think MSU can compete at the highest levels with growth in certain areas & I'd sure like to try & get there. I realize where MSU is & that we aren't Bama, but, if it's OK with you, I'd like for MSU to try & win big. Is that ok? Are you sure you handle people trying? Or do you prefer your shitty MSU?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
You discarding my reason was taking a negative perception. There is no two ways about it because the reasoning was completely sound and plausible. It's clear that Brad Peterson & Gibson have been on the road recruiting the last few days since the dead period ended & they've been introducing the new staff to the coaches. If we had a full defensive staff right now that would not be possible. Seems like a pretty legit reason to me to delay hiring a few coaches.
If you want to be negative, that's cool with me. This isn't Genespage, but it is what it is.
I bet you're pretty old
So tomorrow is Tuesday. Sounds like we'll hear something about the DC. Secondly Leach has shown to be hiring his guys in off the field positions too. I doubt they'd go from on field at Washington St to off the field here but it's a possibility. Especially if they are told they are next in line and to learn from the guys brought over. If we only knew..
I'm not arguing that we can't compete at the highest levels but it will take a lot of work by whoever is coaching us. This job and its location isn't for everyone. It's probably the most brutal location in the country recruiting wise cause of TTown and Oxford 90 miles away, while AU & LSU are within 4 hours or so. You act as though everyone should be slobbering at the bit to come coach here cause you think we're a top 10 job or so, when in reality more like top 20 maybe or a little below that, and that's primarily due to salary and being in SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Newberry has a family to consider and a couple of coaches he wants to take care of too. Can't fault a man for that.
And I believe Leach wants to work long term on getting us there, and that's probably a conversation he had with Newberry on keeping continuity in the coaching staff
So Newberry has some things to consider, but your post came across like you believed he should've just jumped at the chance and hit the road recruiting like 4 days ago after just a brief 1 hour interview.
This job isn't for everybody so if he has any reservations, I'd rather he decline it myself although I'm really sold on him as a DC.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think Leach has a residence there but not totally sure ... I believe he used too anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
IYOK feels good about Newberry, Newberry flew to interview then flew to Vegas to prolly check our facilities and now is with family talking about the most important move of their lives. Wife was on the fence till he told her how much extra cash would be flowing into the checking account.
So there you have it. Good morning and happy Tuesday.
Steve's latest update doesn't sound like good news....says he's hearing conflicting things right now but we should know something today
If Newberry is taking this long to decide, it can't be a good thing. He's at Navy and there's nothing wrong with wanting to stay at a prestigious place like Navy if that's what he wants, but it ain't an SEC DC gig where he'd be getting paid $1 mil+ per year. He's met with Leach in Key West and for 1-2 days in Starkville. If he really wanted it, shouldn't it have been a pretty easy decision after meeting that long and seeing the campus/facilities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big4Dawg
If he doesn't want it, go get Bateman at UNC. He'd be a very solid option.
You never know all the circumstances about someone else's life.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I don't think he would've flown to Key West & then come to Starkville for the weekend if he didn't want the job. There just must be some circumstances that require working through
Rosebowl just said it will NOT be Newberry. Said in the end, it was a mutual decision.
So...... who's up next?
ETA: That "mutual decision" BS has to be spin. He just turned us down didn't he?
"mutual decision" meaning we wouldn't let him bring all his assistants & he didn't think the job was good enough to concede that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
Pretty embarrassing, but just like with Napier, it's best that we get someone that WANTS to be at MSU. We'll be better off for it.
Hopefully Leach finds that guy
- I love that Leach brought his entire offensive, but I'm iffy on the defensive guys.
- On the other hand, Leach is obviously very loyal. That likely means that once the staff is set we won't see as much turnover as we've seen with other MSU staffs
Just wanting to keep Peterson on the road, right? FailQuote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
Look like I was wrong & some things went left.
I was told Newberry wanted to bring two assistant coaches with him. We may have agreed to 1 but not 2 and that was the deal breaker. I don't normally have that much inside info, but that is what I was told this morning from someone that should know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
yeah, I whiffed on that one. Thanks for pointing that outQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What do you think was the deal breaker?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I thought leach gave the DC autonomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Was it centered around us filling out defensive positions before we hired him & that wouldn't allow him to bring some of his guys with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I swear if we're letting WSU defensive coaches get in the way of hiring a solid DC...... we got an increased salary pool to hire better assistants and we're just bringing over the whole damn WSU staff. I'm fine with the offensive coaches but hell naw on all the WSU defensive coaches. McBath I'm cool with but everyone else on their defensive staff is a no-go from me personally.
No problem hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think he does from a coaching stand point, but Leach is loyal to his coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's frustrating on one hand, but on the other, it likely means we'll see very little staff turnover, which will be a positive.
With the defensive talent they had WSU, I don't know if we know how good of coaches these guys are.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
If Leach thinks they are good, then I'm going to believe him at this point in time because his resume demands that.
I'd much rather have a staff with continuity & coaching ability than just crooters that are mercenaries to the industry
This has a chance of becoming a disaster. DC is a huge hire for us
Not as long as Leach hires the right guy. I don't think anyone here had heard of Newberry till last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He'll find a good one.
With 80-90% of our signing class already signed, there is very little reason to rush. The optics aren't great, but overall we will be fine. If what I'm hearing is accurate I think the decision to not agree to Newberry's "terms" was reasonable. Not something I want to put on the board, but I think we made the right call.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Doesn't make it look any better, but still right call.
Newberry went back & forth with Navy before they let him hire his two guys.
Kiffin isn't letting Durkin hire his staff either.
You might be right, but with us upping our salary pool by $1.2 mil, I think it's fair to question why we don't get some defensive guys with deep SEC/Southern roots who can coach who also have some connections/relationships built already with kids in our region. I didn't expect us to start poaching coaches here and there from P5 schools to fill out the staff but I sure didn't think we upped our salary pool to just bring the whole WSU defensive staff with him. I think that's a fair concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I've learned that coaching hire optics don't matter after the 1st play of their tenure. It's meaningless & more about the fan base's ego