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You also told everyone we were going to win 10 games in 2018. You don't know any more than anyone else whether or not Leach will come in and beat the teams that he has more talent than (Like Kentucky, Missouri, and NC State).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
A good coach would have won 10 in 2018. So basically- if Leach struggles- we wont win more than 6 and could easily win less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
What if Leach does well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Great ... Fantastic. I just don't want all y'all to be screaming we hired an idiot if we stumble the 1st 5 games or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
And I guarantee you will.
Wrong, I have loved Mike Leach for over 15 years and will be proud to go down with the ship with him if that's what it comes to. There is no plausible scenario in which I would ever call him an idiot. Implausible scenarios, maybe, but still probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Lol ... I meant that more for Gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
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Originally Posted by Walkerhill
Maybe I am a little over confident, but I see us winning all four OCC games, beating Kentucky, Missouri and Arkansas...Ole Miss is going to be a battle but winnable....So 6-8 wins should be expected. Honestly, I am still not sold on A&M or Auburn and they both come to Starkville.
Our schedule is cake. We have 8 games that are very winnable period. The SEC ain't what it once was. 2021 is definitely the year to strike but this year will be very instrumental in building confidence.
As for relying on jucos at DE. When was the last time we didn't do that? Sweat wasn't fully homegrown. Relying on jucos is a just still a reality of MSU.
I think the culture cleansing is being vastly overrated. Most of the "leaders" of the team are leaving for the draft. They'll learn to swim or sink real fast. It's not like Leach is stepping into a place where bad apples will rule the roost. Sad to say Willie Gay and Kylin Hill may end up being addition by subtraction. Easier for everyone to buy in when there is no star player pushing back. Shrader is the only one I've heard overtly be a bad apple that could be in a leadership role left. I have a feeling that can be handled. It's a lot different than having to clean up a bunch of lazy senior dictating the team. There's a very clean slate here and tons of potential on the roster. I'm excited and there's plenty of reason for optimism.
3 wins is a joke of a prediction. If we had the 2013 schedule that would make more sense. We have cupcake city outside the month of October.
you kids kill me.
Well Leach being a good coach is not debatable. He is an outstanding coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Willie signed with an agent but Kylin is staying put for another year isn't he?
You still predicting 11-1 for last year? Tommy still better than Dak? Just giving you a hard time LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
You performed a P&S analysis on next season yet? If so, what are your ground rules and assumptions for that analysis going into next year?
With Leach going into 2018 10 would've been a given IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Fitz and Leach may or may not have been an especially bad fit, but if Leach had gotten Minshew and coached us in 2018, we are minimum NY6 and probably CFP.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Unlike some ... I think Leach would've made Fitz much better. Hell, just having Aeris blocking for him in 2018 would've made him better. And Aeris would've been under Leach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I rewatched the FL game 3 times and that game wasn't on Fitz. I did that cause I wanted to be sure how bad did Fitz really play. Rewound it in slow mo many times to see what happened on plays. Ky wasn't on Fitz either. But his confidence took a huge hit when fanbase got so down on him I think. Then the AU (passing), LSU, and Bama games were very subpar, especially LSU. I was pissed at Fitz after that game.
Leach doesn't inherit what SloMo inherited .... big difference here and I think some folks here are going to be a little disappointed
On the defensive side yes, on the offensive side, I'm not sure there is any difference. WRs may be better actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Huge difference on offensive side. Very experienced and much better offensive line in 18. Fifth-year senior quarterback. 1100 yard rusher that would also block. A team that had gone 9 - 4 the previous year with the same players. A team that had gone into hostile environments against outstanding teams such as AU and Georgia in 17. Just a huge difference in offenses between next year and that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Not sure there is any difference at QB than what we have now. We're actually better throwing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Kylin started in 2018, so you can't say that is different & he's better now than he was then
Osiris was the best WR in 2018 & he's back & older
I'll give you the OL, but Leach isn't going to be asking them to impose their will
I don't honestly see any meaningful difference in the offensive personnel although I'm sure you can throw out a bunch of stats as to how I'm wrong.
Put me down for 5-7 or 6-6. We will have to win some shootouts next year, considering the state of our defense. I hope the skills guys on the offense can figure this out quickly. We need an accurate QB for this to work, and I'm not sure we have one yet.
Fitz is as good as anyone we got right at this moment to me until proven otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I was talking about Aeris as 1100 back that would block ... which affected Fitz significantly BTW that he didn't start.
Also ... 2017 team had smoked LSU & went to mat with Bama. That was a confident team coming back. This team ain't that way. Just the most minor adversity and they fold like an accordion. It's night/day between those 2 sets of offenses.
I actually think the "confidence" is a negative, not a positive. I think it made us not work as hard and not be mentally prepared for failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Maybe now the players will be humble enough to listen to coaching
What do you mean they were in nearly every game? They lost by 17, 18, 21, 34, 45, 14, 2, and 31. They were absolutely awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Could be ... not sure tho. I don't believe Leach would've allowed that to happen. What I mean by confidence tho is they had been thru some fires in 2017 and 2016 also. This team coming back this year with all the new starters and young QB ... haven't really been thru those fires yet to the same extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I have a 93% chance we end between 5-9 wins next year. I'll know more once rosters and position battles shake out but the SEC is once again weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I'll probably predict 10 wins with losses to A&M and LSU because that's once again a better value than the 8-4 that I see us having. (I had us at favored in 8 last year shoutout Tennessee and Kansas State, but again took 11 because it was different enough to be unique and a lot more fun and hopeful than being the person who predicted 6-6 right. Even though they were about the same value.)
Our defense could be terrible next year. Hell, we were terrible this year and we lose a ton yet again. We are in a full rebuild. I agree, I am hoping for 6 wins with being competitive in the other games. This first year is going to be rough because we just do not have all the horses we need on defense and we could be missing a few on the offensive side of the ball depending on Hill and our WRs emerging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
QB - We have talent here. Who's to know if we can take a large enough step forward. Moving from Moorhead's PHD level system that required 3-4 reads pre snap, checks, and additional reads by WRs and the Qb during the play. I do subscribe to the practice a small group of plays 1000 times mentality versus the 50 plays 20 times. If we simplify our schemes and get some players to stop thinking and just playing, we will see improvement.
Shotgun's melt is going to be epic if we lose to NC State.
Shotgun, I love your passion and positive outlook right now. But 5-6 wins will be a success this year even with the schedule. You can't change a culture in one off season. We still have a bunch of soft guys on that roster.
I do agree with the sentiment that we will see improvement throughout the season and this years 5-7 or 6-6 will be much better than this past years.
If all he fixes is the boneheaded pre-snap penalties this year it will be a more enjoyable team to watch. I still don't understand how you manage to start not one but several games with a pre snap delay of game in the first series of plays.
- yes I will melt if we lose NC StateQuote:
Originally Posted by BB30
- many on here disagree with you on whether the culture can be changed in an off season. Culture was the best part of this program 2 years ago. It isn’t that far gone.
The best part of the program two years ago was a seasoned OL, a QB built for a run first offense, two high end college RB's, and a defense that had roughly 8 NFL players on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You can have the culture - i'll take the talent.
Best case this season to me is 8-4 where we improve dramatically I think 6 or 7 is a reasonable goal. If we play with toughness and grit most of the fanbase will be onboard. Leach is walking into a much better situation than Joe did. Joe was destined to fail after he got off the plane talking about ring sizes. I think people are going to be shocked at our toughness and effort. I watched a good bit of Leach film and he fields some gritty teams, effort will be mandatory.
We have 4 "must-win" games to start the season. And the follow that up with 4 almost sure losses. NExt season could get off the rails quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think we get to 6 because I don't think we would have to be a particularly good team to win 8 depending on how good UK and Mizzou turn out to be. But I think there's a pretty decent chance we are a bad football team to start the season. Just a lot of stuff going on between new offense, still weak receiving corp, replacing defensive players, etc.
But it's really hard to make any predictions with confidence. If none of our qbs pick up the offense, there are probably 6 games we will lose and another two that are losable. If our past recruiting rankings were accurat'ish (I'm thinking we're going to surprise to the downside), we can probably win 8 even without the offense fully clicking. If we have a qb pick it up and our receivers respond to coaching, we might win 8 even with our recruiting rankings overestimating our talent.
But not as happy as you'll be if you get to come on here and crow I told you so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34