I think we may be making a change...

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

True. But he turned out to be like a late '90s internet stock everyone wanted to buy at the time.

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Is that even true though? We had media approval, but I don't recall us outbidding other suitors.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I agree, it's a rough thing dealing with your job that has gone bad but going home to watch or listen to family members makes for no relieve. I think Joe knows there is no winning in his future at Msu. I think he would be smart to take buyout money, sit a year and get refocused. If not I'm not sure he can recover getting another decent job being fired next year which looks like a total rebuild. Just me I suppose.

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Hell if he played his cards right he could get his old job back as OC at Penn State no harm no foul.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That was me.**

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Oh my! Tell me you don't use the restrooms at Target***. LOL

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I'm ok with that. Next year is going to be a rebuilding year anyway. Joe has been trying to recruit to a similar system, just no where near as good.

In 40+ years of watching College Football, I have never seen an assistant make an impact like Brady did this year.

I would not be fired up about Hud at all. Rather gamble on Brady. Recruits would freaking love him. He would need to hire a couple of ex-head coaches as coordinators.

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HUD would be a homerun hire for State. He a great coach, motivator, and disciplinarian. He also has a metric ton of connections to high school coaches in Mississippi and Alabama. He would be a great fit and I think he has really wanted to be the HC here for a long time. When someone loves the place they work the ceiling is raised significantly

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

. If you want sunshine and roses, might want to go back to Fordham.

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Or put a better prepared product on the field. Mullen and family never had any issues in Starkville that I'm aware of.

HUD will never be our HC.

And honestly- If I'm Brady- I wouldnt take our job knowing the roster and being friends with Moorhead. He knows what we have and realizes its not a good fit

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Originally Posted by Rex54

"Honey I know you are setting up our kids and grandkids for life, but someone called you a stinky poopy face so it's time we leave"

Yeah..... That didn't happen

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Short-sighted much?

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Hell if he played his cards right he could get his old job back as OC at Penn State no harm no foul.

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That would be a win win for all.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Hell if he played his cards right he could get his old job back as OC at Penn State no harm no foul.

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I think Franklin was glad to get rid of him.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

HUD would be a homerun hire for State.

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I have nothing against Hud, but how is hiring a coach that got fired from ULL a homerun?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I think his offense is great for LSU and their talent. I think it would be a lead balloon at State. I may be right- you may be right- it's a gamble. Hard for me to see our recruiting profile change enough for him to be successful

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Exactly. We get one WR like they have every 20 years... And they have 3 THIS year.

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Originally Posted by Behrdawg

HUD will never be our HC.

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I keep hearing this so I?m assuming we have a prominent booster that doesn?t like him. That?s is sad if the case but not surprising since we have boosters still supporting JoMo. It appears some of them are raging morons.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Me too. Not dismissing anything that Mullen did, but I think Hud would have done just as well and he would still be here rolling along.

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I'd say that is a stretch. Mullen is a hell of a coach. We were very lucky to get him.

I laughed at people on here and six pack saying we had "upgraded when we hired Moorhead.

Mullen will always be the standard here

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Originally Posted by Coach34

And honestly- If I'm Brady- I wouldnt take our job knowing the roster and being friends with Moorhead. He knows what we have and realizes its not a good fit

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I wouldn't take it either if I'm Brady. He is about to make a million at LSU and he can pick a better fit next year. Or maybe even go back to the NFL where he studied under Sean Payton.

I do think he could find us a couple of good receivers to run his offense though. Ty Keyes sure as hell would love it. Will Rodgers could run it. There are couple of really good receivers in the 2021 class. One recently decommitted from us and committed to LSU.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

He won the Broyles award this year. Make no mistake about it, he was the OC for LSU this year. LSU is about to pay him big bucks to stay.

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He also has a generational QB who is doing some unbelievable things that could make anyone look like a genius. I mean, he may be good in time but he needs to be THE OC first and show me what he can do with say Myles Brennan before I totally buy in to him.

Right now I think MSU needs someone that will actually build a program and knows how to do that. Someone like Napier who is from Saban's tree because there is a track record of his assistants going to other schools and following the same "program" blueprint successfully. Smart, Pruitt, McElwain won a couple of SEC East titles and left them in good shape. Or someone like Hud that is really invested in the program where we can hire elite coordinators which is what LSU did- and Clemson did with Dabo- who will recruit well and manage the program like a CEO.

We were trying to outsmart everyone with Moorhead. It would be the same with Brady.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Christmas

I have nothing against Hud, but how is hiring a coach that got fired from ULL a homerun?

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I get tired of explaining it. Go look at his records at where he has coached and understand that ULL was hit by the NCAA due to the assistant coach ACT stuff (which Hud was cleared of) toward the end of his tenure there.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Christmas

I have nothing against Hud, but how is hiring a coach that got fired from ULL a homerun?

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Same way a coach who got fired from Ole Miss was a home run for LSU.

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Christmas

I have nothing against Hud, but how is hiring a coach that got fired from ULL a homerun?

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Not that i think Hud would be a HR, but our best coach on campus was unsuccessful at Sam Houston st.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I wouldn't take it either if I'm Brady. He is about to make a million at LSU and he can pick a better fit next year. Or maybe even go back to the NFL where he studied under Sean Payton.

I do think he could find us a couple of good receivers to run his offense though. Ty Keyes sure as hell would love it. Will Rodgers could run it. There are couple of really good receivers in the 2021 class. One recently decommitted from us and committed to LSU.

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About Brady, I wonder if the new bengals' HC tries to get him as OC

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He also has a generational QB who is doing some unbelievable things that could make anyone look like a genius. I mean, he may be good in time but he needs to be THE OC first and show me what he can do with say Myles Brennan before I totally buy in to him.

Right now I think MSU needs someone that will actually build a program and knows how to do that. Someone like Napier who is from Saban's tree because there is a track record of his assistants going to other schools and following the same "program" blueprint successfully. Smart, Pruitt, McElwain won a couple of SEC East titles and left them in good shape. Or someone like Hud that is really invested in the program where we can hire elite coordinators which is what LSU did- and Clemson did with Dabo- who will recruit well and manage the program like a CEO.

We were trying to outsmart everyone with Moorhead. It would be the same with Brady.

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Moorhead was just a bad hire. Mullen was a great hire. Both were coordinators. Again, I really think it's a moot point, but I'm just saying I personally would be pumped with Brady.

I have concerns about Naiper's system. His track record as a head coach isn't that long. Bill Clark is kind of a boring hire. Hud is where he needs to be. We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not that i think Hud would be a HR, but our best coach on campus was unsuccessful at Sam Houston st.

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Exactly. People learn from their failures sometimes. And the thing is Hud failed because of his rogue assistant which he will be unable to hire at MSU if he ever gets our job. It wasn't a "learning" thing as far as on the field coaching goes.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

About Brady, I wonder if the new bengals' HC tries to get him as OC

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interesting thought. Very possible.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Money talks

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Same way a coach who got fired from Ole Miss was a home run for LSU.

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I'm not doubting that a Hud hire COULD be seen as a homerun a few years down the road. I'm just saying it'd be a stretch to call it that at this juncture.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I had people yelling at my ass during games the last 2 seasons- and we set school records at both schools.

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I heard them yelling at you. They were bitching about you coaching in shorts, running your 5'-4" 125 pound tailback up the middle, and you having your kids on the sideline talking to the starting QB about going to Bumpers after the game.

Just kidding of course.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We would have to release them from their LOI's if they wanted to sign elsewhere.

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They can only request a release, it would up to us to grant it. They can appeal it to the NCAA which will take about 2 months or more. The rule is designed for signees when a school suddenly go on probation or other issues but specifically states that a coaching change is not a reason to guarantee a granted release. That up to the school

We need someone who actually knows how to be a head coach and oversee the program. Joe Brady would come in and focus on his offense and we would have all the same problems we already have.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Keenum wasnt happy about the fight BS making the school look bad also

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If that's the case, why didn't he tell Moorhead to suspend both players for the bowl game? That would have saved some face. Shrader may have been suspended (although I believe Moorhead said there were "no suspensions" when asked), although he didn't look all that injured.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I heard them yelling at you. They were bitching about you coaching in shorts, running your 5'-4" 125 pound tailback up the middle, and you having your kids on the sideline talking to the starting QB about going to Bumpers after the game.

Just kidding of course.

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Hell I thought you were talking about mullen. Wearing shorts during game, running Holloway up the middle.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Moorhead was just a bad hire. Mullen was a great hire. Both were coordinators. Again, I really think it's a moot point, but I'm just saying I personally would be pumped with Brady.

I have concerns about Naiper's system. His track record as a head coach isn't that long. Bill Clark is kind of a boring hire. Hud is where he needs to be. We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

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Are you talking about his offense? His program is the same one that Saban has used at Alabama which is what Napier learned when he was the WR coach there. It encompasses recruiting strategy, S&C, academics, and football. Once Appalachain State's team graduates out after 2020 ULL will take over as the best team in the Sun Belt. They're pretty close as it is. App State is an anomaly just like Joe Burrow is. They have a special team for them for this year and next.

I think Bill Clark would be a bad hire. He has players on his team in the 23-24 year old range because their program got shut down. His offense is probably worse than Joe's and has been shut down from time to time and is very boring. He has also been in Alabama his entire career and has never really coached in the SEC. He's the "know your place MSU" hire that people like Paul Finebaum expect us to make.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Money talks

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You act like we are the only school that can pay 4 million dollars. Money does not talk if that coach has other options.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Hell I thought you were talking about mullen. Wearing shorts during game, running Holloway up the middle.

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You picked that up quickly. And Stansbury with the kids on the sideline.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Same way a coach who got fired from Ole Miss was a home run for LSU.

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He still can't coach. Just having OC and HC who can with four and five stars all over the field is what making him look like a genius. The only thing he only do is say go tiga's to the ESPN sideline reporter.

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Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw

I heard them yelling at you. They were bitching about you coaching in shorts, running your 5'-4" 125 pound tailback up the middle, and you having your kids on the sideline talking to the starting QB about going to Bumpers after the game.

Just kidding of course.

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I thought that was Yancy and McCready?**

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If that's the case, why didn't he tell Moorhead to suspend both players for the bowl game? That would have saved some face. Shrader may have been suspended (although I believe Moorhead said there were "no suspensions" when asked), although he didn't look all that injured.

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Keenum and Cohen aren't going to micromanage like that.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you talking about his offense? His program is the same one that Saban has used at Alabama which is what Napier learned when he was the WR coach there. It encompasses recruiting strategy, S&C, academics, and football. Once Appalachain State's team graduates out after 2020 ULL will take over as the best team in the Sun Belt. They're pretty close as it is. App State is an anomaly just like Joe Burrow is. They have a special team for them for this year and next.

I think Bill Clark would be a bad hire. He has players on his team in the 23-24 year old range because their program got shut down. His offense is probably worse than Joe's and has been shut down from time to time and is very boring. He has also been in Alabama his entire career and has never really coached in the SEC. He's the "know your place MSU" hire that people like Paul Finebaum expect us to make.

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Yes, his offense. Reminds me of a poor man's Gus Malzahn.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I thought that was Yancy and McCready?**

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Would've been moans, in that case.***

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If that's the case, why didn't he tell Moorhead to suspend both players for the bowl game? That would have saved some face. Shrader may have been suspended (although I believe Moorhead said there were "no suspensions" when asked), although he didn't look all that injured.

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Sometime you let an employee make a decision to see what they are going to do in situations.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

He still can't coach. Just having OC and HC who can with four and five stars all over the field is what making him look like a genius. The only thing he only do is say go tiga's to the ESPN sideline reporter.

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That's true. But that's the thing- he doesn't HAVE to coach as much because his OC and DC are among the best in the business and they do it for him. O on the other hand is the CEO and he is good with recruiting. He also handles discipline, the media, and etc. and because he's not worried as much about the scheme he is free to do those things and it doesn't take away from the team.