Do we still not know why, when and where the altercation took place? Merry Christmas everyone.
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Do we still not know why, when and where the altercation took place? Merry Christmas everyone.
Agree. This is an issue and we have some major leadership issues. As others mentioned, reminds me of Sidney/Baily situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Synopsis per Genespage.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Gay tackled Shrader in practice. Shrader told Gay good hit but that would be a penalty in a game. Gay got upset. Both of them began jawing. Gay hit Shrader walking of the field and they began to fight. The end.
They do when John needs buyout money to cover his mistakeQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
If true, what a total dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Lots of people on here didn?t think it was a mistake when he was hired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
If true, that would have been the last day Willie Gay put on the maroon and white. Like I said, if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
If his optical thing got crushed then my non doctor ass is gonna go out on a limb
predicting Schrader will be on the side line in street clothes wearing an eye patch giving the sports journalists and TV announcers a good story. If true, I hope WG's playing days at MSU are over. This will hurt him in the draft and deservedly so. I hope he doesn't travel if true.
I guess now the question is whose our #2 QB gonna be?
Here is the question I Have, if I’m Shrader and the coach doesn’t suspend the guy that fractured my eye socket, I can assure you it would be the last day I’d be on that team.
This is not good in about 9 different ways.
The coach hasn't suspended Shrader for all the things he's done. The only player Moorehead seems to be a hardass on consistently is not forgetting/forgiving KT.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
"all the things shrader's done" ? can't spill it on the public board? if so, I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
That?s all that Paul/Genes Page will say and can?t blame them. Shrader kept running his mouth and called Willie something that crossed the line. Read between the lines a little here guys. Both at fault. Not trying to take sides, but much more to story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And we were wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
This is prolly accurate. The circumstances of the altercation will/should determine the next steps. Nevertheless, there are ways to kick a guys ass that wouldn't injure your team's QB to that extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrill1
So we have our own little Mason Rudolph/Miles Garrett situation???Quote:
Originally Posted by Thrill1
JoMo does remind me a little bit of Freddie Kitchens.
That's why we got so good with Reynardo Sydney.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'm thinking shotgun didn't realize the extent of the injury. But yea, this appears to be more of a Sydney deal than an on the practice field slap around fisticuffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
Here’s my question. Honestly
I don’t condone the N word at all, what so ever. But when the hell did it become a get out of jail free card when the word is uttered?
It’s perfectly fine (and funny) for black people to call white people crackas, Hillbillies and what not. However, could you see the public outrage if the roles were reversed and Willie Gay had a fractured orbital bone because Shrader punched him in the face after Willie called him a cracka???
Once again, not condoning the use of that word and never will but damn, that can’t be used as means to seriously injuring someone.
I certainly hope Shrader didn't use the "n word" with the "er" ending at a black person. That's a place white people just don't need to go. sorry if I seem overly liberal but that's just the way it is. It is no comparison to blacks using the word ending in "ga" or a black person using "cracka". Growing up in the 70's in the MS Delta, we were in the minority of white households that banned that world from the family vocab. Not because my parents were liberal, but because using the word made you sound like a dumbass redneck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
I completely agree with you about how the use of that word makes someone look, and I agree. My argument is how does the use of that word give someone the right to do whatever they want?
touche sir. good point as well. being a dumbass saying dumbass things shouldn't convict you to an injury to that extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
I have a hard time believing that happened. Its just a word that isnt used much by the younger generation, Plus, it would pretty much kill his place on a team that is majority black. More than just Gay would have whooped his ass for saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
Sounds like they were just jawing back and forth at practice and it escalated. It happens. But I do question Shrader's decision-making quite a bit. Gay is not one of the guys on the team you want to mess with
I personally believe the whole thing is just a symptom of a much larger cultural problem with our program. And the problem is accountability. Just like tutorgate was a symptom of the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He didn't do what he wanted to with him. People know exactly the extent of the demeaning word when it's used. He deserved to get his ass kicked for it. The reason no one else jumped in was because he got the point afterwards and deservingly so. Jawing is one thing but using the word that demeans a person as scum or suggests your beneath me suggested he wanted whatever that person was willing to dish out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
WAMSU (for the time being)
Who is reporting the N word? That seems not likely to me. And unless that is well sourced why the hell are we running with that instead of smn like pus-y ass bit-h? Or dumb mother effer.
Jugheads continued culture change. What will be the next shoe to drop ? This is what happens when shit effort management is tolerated.
Then why is he still on team? I would think that this a splinter the could cause a huge rift. If what you are insinuating is true and no discipline is handed down then it's worse than I thought under this coach(clown).Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Surely the players are not going to let that stand or is this not as dramatic as you posit?
Not sure you quite get it and you seem to presume the worst on Shrader. No one's words, no matter how bad deserve to have their brain crushed. But we don't even know what actually went down, do we? I'm hoping Shrader's not that dumb but even if he is, no one deserves that type of life threatening response.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Based on all your posts on this thread it’s obvious that you are going to side with gay no matter what and have already made up your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Here are a few FACTS about this whole situation: both players acted like dumbasses in this instance. Gay has acted a dumbass in public (game days) several times this year. IF and that’s a big IF shrader used a racist term to refer to gay it still doesn’t excuse his behavior...which apparently some think it should. I personally have a hard time believing he did say that particular word...I’d be much more willing to believe he used another term and in gay’s mind he took it as a racial slur...as we know a ton of this goes on nowadays. However o have no insider knowledge and am just gleaning from reasonable bits of info.
The bigger issue here, as others have stated is that this is just another embarrassing and unacceptable piece to the jomo puzzle that should have been completed last month.
No one. Lots of conjecture from people who are making assumptions based on zero evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
It got asked on Genespage is this was true and Paul Jones said. "We can't report on what was said unless we are 100 % sure in a situation that involved that kind of language". You can take that however you want to take it. If there was nothing to that rumor it would get shot down in a hurry by that bunch I can promise you. Willie Gay didn't break our quarterback's face for nothing. I'm not saying that he is not in the wrong in this situation. I'm Just saying that maybe we should hold off thinking he wasn't provoked in a way that many people would respond similarly, right or wrong. The absolute best case scenario is for this to get swept under the rug if that did happen because we don't need that kind of media attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yes because Willie Gay has a history of being calm, cool, and collected.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
My take on that is Paul doesn't want to report something incorrectly. I'm with Coach34 on this. If he said that it would have been more than Gay beating him up.
The rest of the team was greeting Purvis who surprised them at the end of practice. I would imagine that they all assumed a broke eye socket of the qb was enough no matter what was said. Those guys are well aware of that rumor and have not squashed it. Hopefully it's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Who? The players? Odds are high because of the situation with Purvis probably very few there heard what was said right before the punch. There were probably 100 people there and none were focused on Shrader and Gay at that moment until they started fighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Paul also said that a lot of the rumors that he has seen are pretty crazy and not true as well.
Both players are at fault. But allegedly saying our QB said the n word based on what at this point is rumor without 100% fact is irresponsible.
But hey! Let's come up with rumors about our players because we don't like the coach because just losing games doesn't get the point across.
I didn't say anything and I'm not make anything up. Try reading my post again. Merry Christmas.
There was a fight at a football practice? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.******
A fight that ends up with your quarterback being sidelined for a game is a big deal no matter how much people want to act like this is normal. It's not normal at all for a quarterback to get knocked out of a future game on purpose by his teammate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Seriously dude. Get your head out of the sand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg