That's what Steve and others have hinted at.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
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That's what Steve and others have hinted at.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Are you serious, Clark?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
8 games is a little much compared to what the NCAA has let other teams get away with. I think 4 should be the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
The estimated suspension time goes up a little each day lol. At this rate itll be up to 60 games by the time we kickoff!!
Agreed. Seriously, it?s like a one year probation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Is the NCAA suspending our players or did we do it proactively?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Do ten players take the same damn chemistry class? Now I don’t doubt that a couple may get 8 games but the chances of ten players and one basketball player taking the same chemistry class and all getting one tutor to take their exam seems dumb and idiotic to me.
No way huh..... But ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Trying to have the best chance to win 8. Not like we are winning 10 anyway. So yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Covercorner2
A lot of them do have the same major. It used to be education psychology when I was at MSU. Not sure if that has changed or not. I had classes with several football players. And by several I mean probably 1/3 of the team as I was an education major as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
If this is true, that is a massive hit for depth this year. 10 players? so we will be about 73-74 scholarship players for 2/3 of the season? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
So let me get this straight, you think there is no chance of beating LSU, A&M or AU at full strength?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
You miss 8 games you might as well miss the season. No rhythm, chemistry. The next man up will probably be playing at a higher level by then. Maybe Gay could plug and play at a high level. The strategic ?pick the game suspension? seems silly. Just sit the first 8, if that is even what the penalties are.
This is on the players no doubt and they are to blame .. but if anyone thinks our compliance department isn’t playing checkers while all the other compliance departments in the SEC are playing chess then y’all are sadly mistaken.. it’s embarrassing...
No I didn't say that. I think there is no chance to beat bama yes. Next two least likely auburn and A&M then LSU Bc it's at home. But, as I said, I'm trying to give us the best chance to win 8. You don't have to agree w me about the best way to do the suspensions. That's fine. They aren't asking me or you anyway jmoQuote:
Originally Posted by Covercorner2
How we feel about 2nd string lbs?
As I said about a week ago- we have a history of over-penalizing ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I'm also concerned about some of our transfers in football having trouble qualifying while other schools seem to have no issue. Specifically Waitmann and the DT from Louisville.
We mainly are going to play two LB's anyway. I think Tim Washington while he's not Willie Gay is a senior who is a solid player. Aaron Brule has really impressed me when he has played.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We didn't self impose this. But I understand the frustration with it. It's amazing the same compliance Dept got Danberry eligible, but love isn't. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
To me, it probably makes more sense to sit out the first eight anyway. That way if there are any injuries or whatever later in the year you may have someone fresh and ready to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
It seems to be more of an issue specifically with football. I don't know why. We have gotten baseball transfers in with no issues either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Wait, so the issue of NCAA jurisdiction over academics should be settled with the UNC case but we didn’t self impose this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
When the **** are we going to knock this shit out and finally sit at the table with all the adults, rather than the short plastic chairs in the kiddie room?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Leo Lewis and Errol Thompson is a good group. Lacks athleticism but will be solid. Aaron Brule is going to be the next good one and Washington plus Kilby Lane we can survive it but Willie Gay is eliteQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I suspect it's quite rare for a football and basketball player to even take a chemistry class.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Why not sniff this shit out before it gets to compliance. If I?m in the admin and 11 players or more in multiple sports are taking a specific elective I?m paying special attention to said elective. This could easily have been sniffed out before stupid ass cheating took place. This is embarrassing that it happened period and more then the tutor should have been kicked out of school for this. The person who hired and vetted said tutor should be fired imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Especially considering two of the biggest ones hit have an undecided major and a psychology major.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
I took 144 hours plus a seemingly infinite number of 1-hour labs that really lasted about 10 hours at MSU and to the best of my knowledge there was never a single athlete of any kind in any of those classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And the other you guys name is In interdisciplinary studies. This shit should have been sniffed out when they looked at this roster. Chemistry seems like a weird elective to take don’t you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Todd so we have an undecided major, an interdisciplinary study major and a psychology major all taking a Chemistry class....seems like a weird elective to me to take that doesn’t have anything to do with your major. Seems like some red flags in our admin should have gone up. We were asleep at the wheel on this until it came to the enforcement part. I just wish we could have done something before the stupidity ensued...
Leo and Errol are both athletic LB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Errol is more like an athletic monster. Can't wait to see him destroying people again.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
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Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I think we need a lawyer in that position, with a background, who has NCAA compliance experience, or who is well versed in dealing with NCAA compliance matters and sanctions. I doubt we will ever see that anytime soon. OM is way ahead of us in that respect.
Right because 20 year old college kids tutoring athletes have a long storied history that's easily vetted. Come on, I get the frustration/anger, but costing someone their livelihood cause a student tutor crosses the line "helping" athletes that couldn't have been predicted? Now obviously if there's more to the story where the tutor was directed to "help" athletes, then keep moving up the chain, but this idea that someone doing some dumb shit without a history of it should result in a father, husband, contributing member of society being fired and having to carry that with them their entire careers is ludicrous. Society has gotten way to overzealous with who should be fired and held responsible for another's bad actions committed on their own directive. Everyone has to be more outraged and angry than everyone else to prove they are adequately pissed off and that means calling for heads even if that someone had no reason to be concerned until the information at issue comes to light.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
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Originally Posted by MarketingBully
It's not as easy to do as what you say you would do if you were in the MSU administration. Sorry but that's just not the reality of it.
Someone who is more of an "insider" than me will probably point out this was organic chemistry 2 or some shit, but I remember way back in my day ~20 years ago, there was a low level chemistry elective for non-STEM majors. So something like that seems like a course like that wouldn't be all that out of place for a bunch of athletes.
I doubt anybody has that specific information on the course(s), but after your post it wouldn't surprise me if somebody did say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Dumb shit is maybe one or two tops but this tutor “helped” at least 11 or so according to these guys on here. That’s more then some dumb indiscretion and someone in the admin should pay for this shit. If you are bad at your job you shouldn’t be rewarded for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Ding ding ding.. we have a winner. It doesn’t even have to be that big of an upgrade but damn It wouldnt be hard at all to get someone in there more qualified .. alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Is time to upgrade a lot of other positions as well.
Wait is this really over a Survey of Chem 1 test (an online class) being taken by a tutor? ****in lol. I took that class and got an A and then went on to tutor for it myself. It's all online and has up to 350 people taking it. All I'll say is how they could catch someone else taking an exam for you is if you couldn't possibly be taking it at the time it shows (ie during practice) AND someone rats that they took it. Just wow.
or they could take the test while said player was in Arkansas warming up for the game. Then said tutor gets called in and squeals like a pig about his money-making scheme off the players. Admin doesnt cover up- they investigate and make sure all is found and then sings like a bird to the NCAA and begs forgiveness. 10 players 8 games each says the NCAA. It's a killer to the DT position and hurts depth every Sat. Holy Lord dont let us get a DT hurtQuote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248