Nick Weatherspoon

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I knew dozens of math and engineering majors who took Physics 2 and none of them cheated, at least not on the level of programming a cheat sheet into their calculator for an exam, which at the absolute most lenient would be an automatic F in the course, and probably an expulsion too.

I would assume every professor would make people clear the memory from their calculators just in case to prevent this kind of cheating, so it's not a very clever way to cheat anyway.

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Majored in Chemistry back in the old days. 26 hrs physics, 23hrs math and 70 odd hrs in chem counting labs. We didn't have calculators. Ahh, but we had the slide rule. Try storing something on that. Most of those tech profs handed out tests when you got to class that you completed on paper they handed out. You could bring a little scratch paper, but that's about all you could bring with you. Slide rule and scratch paper. Scared to try to cheat on chem profs like Sheely and Henley. Most made up new tests each semester. You could look for similarities as some old tests floated around, but generally hard to get. Sounds like much harder to cheat back then, especially with class sizes of 15-30. Profs were in control usually.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Donation and bribe are two very different things

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They were also getting athletic scholarships, for a fee, in sports they'd never even played, and in at least one case the guy at IMG Academy took the SAT for one of the kids. It's not just the two "stars" that are in trouble; it's a wealth of other people, including administrators and coaches.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't think there's anything wrong with it legally but you're taking a spot away from a potentially more qualified kid who probably worked harder but just doesn't come from a rich family. America shouldn't be about whose the richest parents being able to make their kids successful with their money. It should be about the most talented and hardest working kids making themselves successful on their own.

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That's true for legacy kids too (those whose family attended the university in question). But it's also true for other groups, like females, racial minorities, and athletes to name a few. Those groups keep potentially more qualified kids out of the school too. Many of the top schools ... Ivys, Duke, Stanford, etc. ... don't admit based solely on grades and SAT/ACT scores; outside activites and community service play a strong role (which is probably reasonable).

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

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I seem to remember this as being what happened but I think it was UNC that took the NCAA to court. The court was the one that said it wasn't just being done for athletes. UNC should have lost its accreditation over that. I think they almost did.

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There was no doubt a lot of things going on in the background there. Had it been a school not nearly as prestigious as UNC, they probably would have lost accreditation.

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Originally Posted by Walkerhill

Old tests? Were some of them caught studying too?

Using old tests that are publicly available is not cheating by any measure I ever heard. The professors know that returned tests from previous semesters are out there, and they plan accordingly. Or not - that?s on them.

Storing crap in your calculator is stone cold cheating. If someone was caught doing that it would be serious.

Having someone else take an online test for you during a period you are on national television not taking a test... is super duper cheating.

And yes, they talked to us about these things, every single semester, in every single course, during the first class when they went over the syllabus.

Conflating these 3 levels is senseless. Undermining our universities academic credibility over sports is also senseless.

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I agree on all points.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I still don't know what is wrong with giving a donation to get your kid into a school you want. Admissions are in a grey area anyway. They can choose who to admit. There is not a clear cut minimum threshold for people. Hell Harvard or Penn State can admit someone that has a 16 on the ACT if they want.

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I suppose they could but I'll bet they never have nor ever will. It's absurd that an college would even think about admitting such a student though. You can make that score merely by random guessing.

I?ll say it again as I?ve said since the day it occurred. He?s done and it has zero, nothing to do with basketball and will not negatively impact anything we win. He is learning from a stupid decision. And he?s not the only athlete involved. The others play sports that are not in season right now.

I hope all of you who bashed me for posting this same stuff weeks ago, learn your lessons as well. I do not post things of this magnitude, that do not come from reliable sources. Same as with Keenum and Loafers/Mullen and Cannizzaro.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

I?ll say it again as I?ve said since the day it occurred. He?s done and it has zero, nothing to do with basketball and will not negatively impact anything we win. He is learning from a stupid decision. And he?s not the only athlete involved. The others play sports that are not in season right now.

I hope all of you who bashed me for posting this same stuff weeks ago, learn your lessons as well. I do not post things of this magnitude, that do not come from reliable sources. Same as with Keenum and Loafers/Mullen and Cannizzaro.

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Well, given there is only one sport not in season that anyone cares about, how many football players will we be losing since you seem to have all the inside info?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well, given there is only one sport not in season that anyone cares about, how many football players will we be losing since you seem to have all the inside info?

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He's right on this one. And it's coming. Sorry to be the person to second this info. Won't be as severe as nick's due to different circumstances. But jomo isn't getting off free, unfortunately

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He's right on this one. And it's coming. Sorry to be the person to second this info. Won't be as severe as nick's due to different circumstances. But jomo isn't getting off free, unfortunately

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Can we please elaborate please? Starters?

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He's right on this one. And it's coming. Sorry to be the person to second this info. Won't be as severe as nick's due to different circumstances. But jomo isn't getting off free, unfortunately

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The last sentence pertains to losing a football player and not JoMo specifically, right?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The last sentence pertains to losing a football player and not JoMo specifically, right?

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We’d all know if football was involved as the players wouldn’t be practicing right now. This “multiple sports” bullshit is getting old and unfounded. The football coaches would have been contacted if this had to do with any football players. The football coaches haven’t been contacted in any way. I don’t know why this rumor is continuing to make the rounds.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The last sentence pertains to losing a football player and not JoMo specifically, right?

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Correct

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

We’d all know if football was involved as the players wouldn’t be practicing right now. This “multiple sports” bullshit is getting old and unfounded. The football coaches would have been contacted if this had to do with any football players. The football coaches haven’t been contacted in any way. I don’t know why this rumor is continuing to make the rounds.

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Ok. Well bookmark it and you can blame suspensions on drug test or whatever. Thats cool.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

We’d all know if football was involved as the players wouldn’t be practicing right now. This “multiple sports” bullshit is getting old and unfounded. The football coaches would have been contacted if this had to do with any football players. The football coaches haven’t been contacted in any way. I don’t know why this rumor is continuing to make the rounds.

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Hasn't nick been practicing??? Hmmm or at least he was.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Hasn't nick been practicing??? Hmmm or at least he was.

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This has nothing to do with football.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

This has nothing to do with football.

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Aight.......

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Aight.......

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Dude, just spill it if you know who it is. You say you know something everyone else doesn't but overplay it.

I’m just the average Joe wanting accurate info - I wish folks wouldn’t post bs (rougedog) unless they back it up - I don’t know what’s up but come here to try to get accurate info - thanks!

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I highly recommend enjoying the tournament. The rat In our AD who took out Nick is trying to implode
The entire Bryan Building. It?s a shame a SEC Atheltic Department runs such a loose ship. We need smart people in there. It?s obvious that we do not have people capable of running a power 5 conference.

Which goes back to my posts every time. We have to clean house. Compliance et. Al.

Homedog is just covering his ass in case nothing comes of this. He has nothing concrete or he’d say it. There was a tutor that has been kicked out of school that has reported that they took multiple tests for multiple student atheletes. The school is investigating this and if what she says is proven, they will suspend the players, HOWEVER if there is a way to explain any of it away, there will be no suspensions and they will be able to say that this tutor was “a pissed off student looking to take everyone down”

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Originally Posted by Hambone

Homedog is just covering his ass in case nothing comes of this. He has nothing concrete or he’d say it. There was a tutor that has been kicked out of school that has reported that they took multiple tests for multiple student atheletes. The school is investigating this and if what she says is proven, they will suspend the players, HOWEVER if there is a way to explain any of it away, there will be no suspensions and they will be able to say that this tutor was “a pissed off student looking to take everyone down”

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Can't we just send our defensive line over to the tutor's residence and have a friendly conversation where they convince said student of the ills of their ways?

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Originally Posted by Hambone

Homedog is just covering his ass in case nothing comes of this. He has nothing concrete or he’d say it. There was a tutor that has been kicked out of school that has reported that they took multiple tests for multiple student atheletes. The school is investigating this and if what she says is proven, they will suspend the players, HOWEVER if there is a way to explain any of it away, there will be no suspensions and they will be able to say that this tutor was “a pissed off student looking to take everyone down”

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Homedawg could certainly be wrong, just like anyone can be. With that said, he's almost always right. His sources are very good bc he's apparently pretty plugged in.

Pay her off and #FreeNick, or announce the suspension/expulsion so It won't be a distraction and we can move on.

A Bracky investigation is unlikely to turn out positive. The guy will probably stumble across some shit to suspend a few more starters for the tourney while digging into Nick. #FreeNickBenchBracky **

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Originally Posted by Hambone

Homedog is just covering his ass in case nothing comes of this. He has nothing concrete or he’d say it. There was a tutor that has been kicked out of school that has reported that they took multiple tests for multiple student atheletes. The school is investigating this and if what she says is proven, they will suspend the players, HOWEVER if there is a way to explain any of it away, there will be no suspensions and they will be able to say that this tutor was “a pissed off student looking to take everyone down”

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Why was she (the tutor) kicked out of school? And was she kicked out prior to making these accusations or after?

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Can't we just send our defensive line over to the tutor's residence and have a friendly conversation where they convince said student of the ills of their ways?

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The tutor is female. Which is a problem in itself, but whatever. Desired male athletes should have male tutors, and vice versa

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Originally Posted by jwells

is done at Mississippi State. Not sure when the news will officially break but can confirm from a reliable source he will not play for the Bulldogs again. Related to an academic violation that the university considered too severe to allow reinstatement.

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Lol.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

Why can't we take care of our athletes academics, or did Nick just do something stupid?

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Why in the world should the school have to take care of athletes' academics? They're supposed to be students, just like all of us are or were at one time. Is the school supposed to look the other way when they violate rules?? Athletes should be treated no better or no worse than any other student.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

I highly recommend enjoying the tournament. The rat In our AD who took out Nick is trying to implode
The entire Bryan Building. It?s a shame a SEC Atheltic Department runs such a loose ship. We need smart people in there. It?s obvious that we do not have people capable of running a power 5 conference.

Which goes back to my posts every time. We have to clean house. Compliance et. Al.

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No, we need to have athletes that actually attend class and take their own tests. I find it really hard to believe that anybody thinks any other way. It's a university first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by the59dawg

Majored in Chemistry back in the old days. 26 hrs physics, 23hrs math and 70 odd hrs in chem counting labs. We didn't have calculators. Ahh, but we had the slide rule. Try storing something on that. Most of those tech profs handed out tests when you got to class that you completed on paper they handed out. You could bring a little scratch paper, but that's about all you could bring with you. Slide rule and scratch paper. Scared to try to cheat on chem profs like Sheely and Henley. Most made up new tests each semester. You could look for similarities as some old tests floated around, but generally hard to get. Sounds like much harder to cheat back then, especially with class sizes of 15-30. Profs were in control usually.

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Most students never even considered cheating, and I never heard of a student being expelled for cheating. One of my freshmen roommates was kicked out for having a 0.0 GPA though. :) I had Sheely for both Chem I and II, and each was an auditorium class with more than 100 students. Physics and math classes were smaller (maybe 30 students), and the more specialized the courses were, the smaller they were. Some of my major courses just had 8 or 10 students.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Yeah, and I just got a personal comment telling me I'm terrible, I assume from 61. He can't ban me here. Funny, the board he DID ban me on on this site, I can post on now, which I do very infrequently. He can't. Blatant in your face cheating is demeaning to the university and to everyone that has a degree from it. We are a UNIVERSITY, an educational institution. We are not a minor league sports franchise.

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Absolutely. And I can't believe that anyone thinks otherwise. They've already lowered the entrance standards that virtually anybody can get in school; let's hope they don't lower the EXIT standards.

I'm sure it's been discussed in this long thread, but I don't consider studying old tests to be cheating. If the professor is lazy enough to give the same tests every year, then he doesn't really need to be employed there.