Leave Q on the bench

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

Not that play in particular. When he traveled when we were up 4, he should’ve dribbled out and been fouled and we win in regulation.

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Agree. But this thread has become about his defense.

Q is about the 4th most talented guy on our roster, but we treat him like he is supposed to be an all American.

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

No

Just because Eli made tough, contested fast break lay- ups does not mean you want the ball in his hands late. Do you even realize that Q being clutch is arguably the best part of his game?

When has Eli hit a tough jumper?

Not sure your name fits, tbh

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for defense genius.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

for defense genius.

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So... the if Q is out of the game, what guard is going to take a big shot? Peters is better as a facilitator. That leaves Nick? Again, who is going to take a big shot? I get defense, but you also have to score.

If you score more, you win. Genius.

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

So... the if Q is out of the game, what guard is going to take a big shot? Peters is better as a facilitator. That leaves Nick? Again, who is going to take a big shot? I get defense, but you also have to score.

If you score more, you win. Genius.

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Ever heard of a defensive substitution?

End game against Mizzou: Q drops off his man when not necessary and his man hits the winning 3 in the corner
End game against Vandy: Q inexplicably leaves the man with the ball and he hits the game winning 3
End game against South Carolina: Guard blows right by him for the game tying 3.

End game scenario, he doubles Silva and gets a huge steal

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Originally Posted by whosyourdawgy

End game scenario, he doubles Silva and gets a huge steal

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Yep. And he's a calming precense that can make big shots. But let's replace him with a guy that has shown spurts. Lol

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Ever heard of a defensive substitution?

End game against Mizzou: Q drops off his man when not necessary and his man hits the winning 3 in the corner
End game against Vandy: Q inexplicably leaves the man with the ball and he hits the game winning 3
End game against South Carolina: Guard blows right by him for the game tying 3.

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So what do you do when you are out of timeouts (like we were)?

Genius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The guy blew by Q like he wasn?t even there. He could have done a much better job of making sure he got a foul call. What he did was awful and damn near cost us the game. Especially after his turnover up 4 with 25 seconds left

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I think Peters actually fell down and He was to be the one to foul ole Red. Q fouled Him and the Refs did not call it. What is the argument, his job was to foul him and he did. Q made some mistakes but he also made huge plays to win the Game. I still don't get the Q bashing. I want him to have the ball at crunch time. Also maybe you noticed he had 4 steals, and made some big time free throws.plus he get the rebound when we need it.

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Originally Posted by Apoplectic

And we win by ten if we had two nicks instead of one nick and one Q

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Double down on stupid. Good. There is one nick. But I'm glad we have q.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He didnt foul him- the ref didnt call it.

And I certainly agree with that part of your post

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What was the call on Peters the play before? Same play.

My problem is blaming Q at the end of the game peters is by the guy at 4.2 with us up 1. No foul called there the game is over. We hit 2 free throws go up 3. Q makes the same play and no foul called. They hit the 3. Why are we bashing our guys??

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

I don?t care what his numbers are. If you watch our games, you can tell he?s not a very good defender.

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Please shut the **** up. You are maybe the worst MSU fan on this board. We heard what you said the first time. Saying the same shit 100 more times doesn't make you right. The majority of people on this board with an ounce of basketball IQ, think you are ignorant, and I think they would be correct.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

My problem is blaming Q at the end of the game peters is by the guy at 4.2 with us up 1. No foul called there the game is over. We hit 2 free throws go up 3. Q makes the same play and no foul called. They hit the 3. Why are we bashing our guys??

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Because we have the worst fans ever. A select few would rather be right rather than be wrong and us succeed. It's truly sad

^^^^^^^^^this

Bottom line... we won.

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

Because we have the worst fans ever. A select few would rather be right rather than be wrong and us succeed. It's truly sad

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Exactly! Don’t blame the guys for inconsistency by the officials.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Please shut the **** up. You are maybe the worst MSU fan on this board. We heard what you said the first time. Saying the same shit 100 more times doesn't make you right. The majority of people on this board with an ounce of basketball IQ, think you are ignorant, and I think they would be correct.

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The only ones against me are the ones that think Q hung the moon. No, I’m one of the more realistic posters on this board. I mean you are an idiot when it comes to basketball. I said earlier that I’m done talking about this, BUT YOU WANT TO CALL ME OUT! I’m no expert, BUT I HAVE SENSE. Its okay to say our guys aren’t perfect. I know I seem like I’m bashing Q, but I’m not. I expect more from him- he is supposed to be the leader of this team. He is supposed to be our leader. I gave him props in the game thread. Like I said, make him prove me wrong, and I’ll never bash him again. I PROMISE!

Why would I want him or anyone on our team to fail? I support anyone who wears a state jersey/ uniform. If it makes y’all feel better, I won’t say anything bad about him AGAIN. I’m dropping it. I just want us to win and get to the NCAA tourney.
At the end of the day, we’re all state fans and have the same goal- to see Ms state succeed in any and all sports. Hail State!

It’s a 40 minute game, sometimes 45. We weren’t playing against air. Mistakes made?? Of course. Everyone play perfect? Nope? Did we battle and win a game we absolutely sucked for the first 15 minutes? Yep!the last 5 years we fold up and quit after that start. We are a team that fights and plays hard! Every play? Hell no but we are getting closer than we ever have. I’m proud of the way each has fought! Wish we could appreciate the effort

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

He fouled him. The refs just blew the call, yet they called a touch fall on Carter and the guy shooting the 3

Y'all need to give Q a break. He is what he is- a solid player that makes us good.

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You can say he should have fouled him "harder," but then you risk an intentional foul and he did enough to get what was called a foul all day. Can't fault him for doing his job.

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My thoughts exactly. The refs should?ve called the foul but they didn?t. I thought the refs were harder on Q tonight than anyone else on the floor.
It?s great to see Wright take the ball strong to the basket on those three possession. Other people saying that he should take minutes from Q are stretching it but it?s great to see depth on our bench. Lack of depth has plagued us for years.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

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Come back by when football season starts...maybe

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

That no call on the foul was on the referee. Q did more than enough to get a foul called, but SEC refs are what they are.

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correct.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Exactly.

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Damn somebody has to be drinking heavily. You 2 (34 & Liverpool) agreeing is just weird?

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Originally Posted by FanninDawg

Spoken like a true bulldog fan, run coaches and players down so you can be right! Amiright 34?

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No truer words have ever been spoken. Rep given.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

The only ones against me are the ones that think Q hung the moon. No, I?m one of the more realistic posters on this board. I mean you are an idiot when it comes to basketball. I said earlier that I?m done talking about this, BUT YOU WANT TO CALL ME OUT! I?m no expert, BUT I HAVE SENSE. Its okay to say our guys aren?t perfect. I know I seem like I?m bashing Q, but I?m not. I expect more from him- he is supposed to be the leader of this team. He is supposed to be our leader. I gave him props in the game thread. Like I said, make him prove me wrong, and I?ll never bash him again. I PROMISE!

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You said it once, twice is enough!

Didn’t read any of this thread , because I’m sure it’s ridiculous
Not saying Q an elite defender but he had a key steal on help Defesne at end of the OT and pulled down the last rebound and knocked down the 2 free throws to seal it
Also he drew the defensive assignment of guarding Booker and Minaya most of the game. Who had a combined 2 points

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Didn?t read any of this thread , because I?m sure it?s ridiculous
Not saying Q an elite defender but he had a key steal on help Defesne at end of the OT and pulled down the last rebound and knocked down the 2 free throws to seal it
Also he drew the defensive assignment of guarding Booker and Minaya most of the game. Who had a combined 2 points

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Truer words were never spoken...

Q guarded Gravett some as well. His 2 3's right before halftime were on Q. The 2nd one when he didnt step out on him was ridiculous

Plus- we switch so much on defense on the perimeter- none of our guys really defend 1 guy.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Q guarded Gravett some as well. His 2 3's right before halftime were on Q. The 2nd one when he didnt step out on him was ridiculous

Plus- we switch so much on defense on the perimeter- none of our guys really defend 1 guy.

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Again not saying Q is the best defender on the team that would the other Spoon.
But Q takes WAY too much blame game in game out for his play

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Again not saying Q is the best defender on the team that would the other Spoon.
But Q takes WAY too much blame game in game out for his play

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Tell if Ari!

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Didn’t read any of this thread , because I’m sure it’s ridiculous
Not saying Q an elite defender but he had a key steal on help Defesne at end of the OT and pulled down the last rebound and knocked down the 2 free throws to seal it
Also he drew the defensive assignment of guarding Booker and Minaya most of the game. Who had a combined 2 points

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But, but just go back and watch the games, you can clearly see that Q sux****. Forget get he had 4 steals and knocked 2 more ball away that teammates recovered. Forget , he did foul the guy and the ref just swallowed his whistle, just know this if Q was on the bench we would have lost the game. There are some stupid mfers in this thread

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

But, but just go back and watch the games, you can clearly see that Q sux****. Forget get he had 4 steals and knocked 2 more ball away that teammates recovered. Forget , he did foul the guy and the ref just swallowed his whistle, just know this if Q was on the bench we would have lost the game. There are some stupid mfers in this thread

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I never said he sucks, I said he didn’t play very well. Good job Q coming up clutch in OT. I’m proud of him, and hope he continues to improve.

If any of you were at the game ( and I doubt it was many) you would have seen Howland coaching him and in his ass a little on the way to the locker room.
The next “perfect” game Q plays will be his first , but I will take his 15/ 7 / 3 Which is about what he brings game in game out.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

If any of you were at the game ( and I doubt it was many) you would have seen Howland coaching him and in his ass a little on the way to the locker room.
The next “perfect” game Q plays will be his first , but I will take his 15/ 7 / 3 Which is about what he brings game in game out.

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Totally agree.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

His boneheaded plays definitely had us in a tight spot. His turnovers led to at least 6-8 USC points but his strips, rebounds and FTs at the end were critical.

He has lazy streaks and makes mistakes but he is a key part of this team. When he?s on we don?t lose, when he?s off like today we are now still winning. The true difference is we now have other guys who step up whenQ is off.

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Well said! Agree 100%

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Did it get called, and not called intentional? If so then it was a good play. If not he screwed up.

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You probably also think Lamar Peters screwed up against Missouri because the ref called a charge on him at the end of the game. Bad calls happen. You?re wrong. It?s ok. We won.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

My problem is blaming Q at the end of the game peters is by the guy at 4.2 with us up 1. No foul called there the game is over. We hit 2 free throws go up 3. Q makes the same play and no foul called. They hit the 3. Why are we bashing our guys??

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

Because we have the worst fans ever. A select few would rather be right rather than be wrong and us succeed. It's truly sad

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These statements are both true. What gets me about some of you message board geniuses is that you?d rather Q play bad in order to look like you knew what you were talking about. But regardless of the outcome, bashing an MSU player makes you look like a ****ing idiot. I wish some of you had been born into Mississippi Black Bear families so we would be spared your senseless internet rambles.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

If any of you were at the game ( and I doubt it was many) you would have seen Howland coaching him and in his ass a little on the way to the locker room.
The next ?perfect? game Q plays will be his first , but I will take his 15/ 7 / 3 Which is about what he brings game in game out.

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I personally think the fan bases? perception of Q is result of typical Human behavior. Most humans tend to remember more negative things than positive. For whatever reason this tends to be the norm. Be it self preservation or something else, most people learn more from negative consequences than positive.

Q can be having a lights out game, but this perception is blurred by the handful of boneheaded lazy plays he makes during a game. We expect Q to lead the team in scoring but don?t expect the bad plays he mixes in. People remember more what wasn?t expected than what they?ve come to normalize.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

I personally think the fan bases? perception of Q is result of typical Human behavior. Most humans tend to remember more negative things than positive. For whatever reason this tends to be the norm. Be it self preservation or something else, most people learn more from negative consequences than positive.

Q can be having a lights out game, but this perception is blurred by the handful of boneheaded lazy plays he makes during a game. We expect Q to lead the team in scoring but don?t expect the bad plays he mixes in. People remember more what wasn?t expected than what they?ve come to normalize.

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Understand this, when Q is in the game He usual touches the ball every possession . When the clock is running down, they give it to Q to make something happen. Nobody handles the ball a much as Lamar and Q , so naturally they will have some turnovers. What we need to remember is more good happens than bad. Q gets caught helping on defense and sometimes His man is left open or He doesn't move quick enough to cover the switch. But when it is crunch time I want Q to have the ball. Also when we need a big rebound--it is usually Q who grabs it.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

You probably also think Lamar Peters screwed up against Missouri because the ref called a charge on him at the end of the game. Bad calls happen. You?re wrong. It?s ok. We won.

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Q screwed up. He should have stayed in front of him. Had the ref made the right call and the guy shot the ball when Q grabbed him, he would have gotten three free throws. If he had stayed in front of him, he could have put a hand on the ball/arm and made it difficult for the guy to look like he was shooting.

Pretty understandable mistake. It was at the end of the game, he was tired, and he got lazy. He didn't have a great game, and made some crucial mistakes towards the end of regulation, but still shook it off and helped close the game out.

Bad games happen. Ideally your upper classmen's bad games would consist more of off shooting nights than mental mistakes, but you're going to get both at times. And at the end of the day, his stat line was still good and we don't win the game without him.

Q is good and we are lucky to have him. People are unduly harsh on him because of a combination of people having unrealistic expectations because of how good he was as a true freshman and also his style of play lends itself to looking lazy even when it's not. Even some of his drives where he gets a step on his man it looks like he's going three quarter's speed.