What about harbaugh at Michigan? Good enough? Read about mason coleQuote:
Originally Posted by StatesboroBlues
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What about harbaugh at Michigan? Good enough? Read about mason coleQuote:
Originally Posted by StatesboroBlues
I wouldn't mind experimenting with the OL "IF" we were set and comfortable with who our starting line was going to be and they were to the point where there was only minimal room for them to get better.
I don't think we currently have that luxury. Rankin still has a lot of room to grow at LT. And to me the only way for him to get better at LT is to actually practice at LT. Same goes for every other OL we have. I don't think we have any that couldn't get better at their one primary position.
The reason you hear Hev always say he wants his guys to know more than one position is because we always only have about 6 and at the most 7 guys who are actually capable of holding their own. And I use the phrase holding their own very loosely. Go back and look at past seasons. How many have we had that we didn't have a guy start on one side of the line and end up on the other side later in the season? We've never been able to plug and play. Your LG does down with an injury? Instead of plugging in a 2nd string LG, we have to move the RT to RG; move the LT to RT and then move the RG to LG. And yes, that's an exaggeration, but not by too much. And when you do that you just lose continuity and then guys are playing positions that they aren't as comfortable in. Which equals less production.
Bottom line is we don't have the depth that we need to compete at the level we want. And that simply goes back to recruiting. No way around it.
I do think it's a luxury that our best olineman can play both of the most important oline positions (LT and center) if needed.
Let me know when we have the OL talent of Michigan and LOL the Patriots, and those comparisons might be worth reading.
And as for those complaining about the thread...c'mon man. It's day 1. So this could have been a 10 post thread about Thompson or a 7 page thread about Thompson plus the guys that will be responsible for keeping him safe, and are our biggest ? Year in and year out.
But the thread jokes have been funny haha
Alabama does the same thing after injuries...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips
https://www.questia.com/read/1P2-381...-around-due-to
They just need to recruit better
Everybody shuffles around during the season due to injuries. Not sure what you are arguing. This is Spring PracticeQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It was 1 day and no one here is even sure how many of the snaps he took there and we're down 2 centers. Does anyone know who all took snaps at center or tackle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Do you think when bama shuffled those guys that if it was their first time at the new position or that they practiced there some?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Rankin is there for depth purposes only...he is going to be a Tackle for us. This is really not just about Rankin...it is about continually having to work players at multiple positions because of talent problems. Well...and having a roster full of guards for most of the last 8 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Michigan obviously knew Cole could handle it and had a plan at Left Tackle...do we for next season? I would say no...
"Eat a Peach"
He played both and made the switch permanently on oct 29th vs Michigan stateQuote:
Originally Posted by StatesboroBlues
The problem is we have lost our top 2 centers to injury, and we don't have an adequate 3rd center for the spring. The fact that Moon isn't getting reps there should basically tell you that either the coaches are processing him and he will no longer be on the roster after this semester, or he is exclusively a guard and can't really handle the snap and line call responsibilities. In either case, the problem will resolved after the spring at the latest when the walking wounded return and maybe even during the spring if we find some guys from the JUCO group that we can move into that spot for added depth. Until then, we have to explore some contingencies here and there. Another possibility is that our coaches want to get looks at some other players at the tackle spots because they know what Rankin can do, so this lets them kill two birds with one stone. And I still think its silly to jump to all these conclusions based on one day of practice. Its a given that Rankin won't be at Center long term unless we hit a major rash of injuries, and its really likely he will go back to Tackle at some point during the spring and also go there exclusively during the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips
In the end, the complaints about general recruiting on the OL are valid, but its reaching by a good bit to use the fact that we don't have 3 centers that can play as a means of justifying that argument. Nobody has 3 centers that can play....not even the Alabamas of the world.
He's arguing as usual that mullen is the greatest coach ever, and that everyone that questions anything about our oline has a melting agenda, or is melting and has an agenda, or something along those lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
I love when people try to defend our OL coaching/recruiting. It's like defending Hugh Freeze's integrity...How do you defend something that is nonexistent
Does anyone know who all took snaps at center? Does anyone know if Rankin took snaps at LT? Just wondering if anyone has actual insight or just melting blindly
It doesn't matter. The fact that our 5th Year Senior LT that hasn't even mastered LT, is taking snaps at Center, is a microcosm of our entire issues with the OL. It's dumb as hell and shows a lack of depth, recruiting, and smarts at OL coach. But maybe that's just meQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah...didn't know that. Having said that...he is an exception to the rule and Michigan thought it made them better. Like I said above...Rankin getting practice time at C is not because we feel good about his backup. It is more about our depth at C...considering our roster at the position for the last two years and who we had returning there is no way Tankin should even be an option.
Elgton Jenkins is hurt & out for the Spring. Another reason for the diff playing positions. Some of y'all just need to calm down a bit. It'll be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It does matter. What if it was 5 snaps at center vs 50 at LT or whatever. If the context doesn't matter then you aren't objective. I realize I'm gonna side with Mullen until it proves to be dumb in games. Most (you included) are biased on the other side and just looking for a reason to pile onQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
You may have just accidentally created a new nickname there ^Quote:
Originally Posted by StatesboroBlues
We HAVE a reason to pile on. And no, it doesn't matter if it is 1 snap at center....why?? Why put your LT at Center? Put the damn 10th string center in there and get him snaps...don't confuse a guy that is already a work in progress at one of the most important positions on the field. That's my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
After what we saw of Rankin a majority of last year, how can anyone say they are ok with him taking snaps at Center and then being our LT all year?
Oh, that's GOOOOO-O-O-O-O-O-D!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Rep given, Cadaver.
Especially when the OP started a topic on KT and not 5 posts in went to "B!tch about our OL again..."Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe someone should rename the thread, because if someone is looking for 7 pages on KT, they ain't gettin it here.
I think that you guys are missing the point that in both cases, it is simply a "preseason"/sparsely-done practice exercise in both cases to prepare guys for worst case scenarios. Of course Rankin will get 85%-90% of his reps in between now and September at LT...c'mon guys. This has just turned into a really dumb thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
...and for those knuckle-draggers that read that quote, can't interpret the inference, and make some comment about "comparing our OL to the Patriots" or "comparing our OL talent to the Patriots"...I'm gonna try to convince myself that you're not really that dumb and are just ****ing with me, otherwise I won't be able to sleep tonight
I'm going to go against you here Cadaver... from my view the whole premise is about over analyzing the words of Mullen based on DAY 1 of spring practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
We have some that are using 1 practice to illustrate all the problems faced with OL. I suppose some think that because he spent some time there today, he will automatically lose whatever ability he had playing LT. This also affords some the ability to bitch about Hev., because they've had withdrawals since signing day and haven't been able to get their fix.
Whatever the reason for the meltdown, it is entertaining and I must admit that I've missed it!!!!
There isn't 7 pages worth of stuff to discuss about a guy that has played 1 day for MSU. So anybody thinking this thread was all about KT shoulda known better, haQuote:
Originally Posted by Bama_Dawg
Funny, I don't see any commits about the what if Rankin gets injured. Pretty sure a backup needs some practice and what better way than do it now at practice. Rankin at center still has to learn to drive block and pass protect, putting him at a different position creates things he may not have seen and can help in the long run.
In my opinion, I am fully aware it was 1 spring practice....but when you had your LT literally standing still and getting our QB crushed multiple times a year ago, I don't want ONE SINGLE rep at LT wasted for that guy. Why in the hell are we working on worst case scenarios in day 1 anyway? That makes Hev look even dumber imo. Work on the actual shit we're going to do until we can quit looking like dog shit, is all I'm saying. None of it makes sense, and if we had a good OL I wouldn't say shit. Hev is under a microscope bc Hev puts himself there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
So every snap of preseason Rankin has to take that snap at LT? Really hope he doesn't get hurt if that's our plan. Perhaps it went like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Let's get so and so a few snaps at LT and try Rankin at center while we do it rather than him stand on the sideline
Fair enough. I guess I just see it this way...as soon as Hevesy quits making our OL the question mark every single year, these threads and hijacks will stop. It's the one position we can't recruit and can't build depth, so it's always a point of frustration for our fans. Throw in the fact that the highest rated OL recruit Hev's ever landed is a LT that is practicing at Center, and it kinda makes people want to hit him with a shovelQuote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Does Fitzgerald take snaps at WR?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe Hev should take snaps somewhere else.
Yeah bc qb routinely line up at wr like oline routinely play other oline positionsQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
If our starting LT just so happens to also be the 3rd best center, that's who needs to be in there when the first two go down. Simple as that. That's not just for the benefit of developing Rankin in the event of an emergency, its also so that the entire offense can function semi-correctly during the spring. If we put the "10th best center" out there and he can't even successfully snap the ****ing ball, you'd be better off just canceling spring practice altogether because you can't do anything on either side of the ball at that point. And again, NOBODY has 3 true centers that they can just plug and play. Its always robbing Peter to pay Paul whenever you lose two centers no matter what team it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Why in the hell are you idiots talking so much about the O-Line. Start a thread about that. I won't click on it. This was supposed to be something about Key. Damn.
^^^^This^^^^... OL threads are never anything other than the same 15-20 posters in a circle jerk. I don't want to read it because I already read it the first 974 times....
That's true. He could just snap it when he gets ready to go.. That should work out well.. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Are you telling us that you actually read 154 posts you didn't want to read, just to call 15-20 people out for being in a circle jerk? Or do you really like reading O-line threads?Quote:
Originally Posted by K9 Avenger
You guys know going in that many football posts will turn into O-line discussions tho, right? The most important position group on the team, that we treat like it's almost important as the water boy/girl group here at State, for some reason.
Can anyone imagine if we'd of had Bama's offensive line in 2014-15? Or any year?
I'm so sick of those 15-20 posters hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by K9 Avenger
This may be one of the dumber posts I have read on here. Congrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by BHildreth3
Sure would like some more information on our new QB instead of this bitch fest and imposter posts.