Big Commitment coming today?

You can't recruit like you need to when you're going up against a highly successful scam operation that is OM athletics. There's simply no other explanation to this. None. Zero.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

You can't recruit like you need to when you're going up against a highly successful scam operation that is OM athletics. There's simply no other explanation to this. None. Zero.

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Actually it sounds like all we had to do was get the girlfriend on the track team.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Hevesy is a lazy mf'er who hasn't ever really recruited since his ass got to Starkville.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

This is not a secret flip or back room shenanigans. This is our in state rival getting a foothold in our backyard and out recruiting us. They play games. We don't. We can say we don't want kids that play that game but it's that level of talent that wins championships and to win those you HAVE to play the games. We've been getting the brakes beat off us by UNM on the field and in recruiting. We had better hope the NCAA does something or we will be a distant second in-state football program. Understand...this does NOT help our recruiting efforts to call this a possible flip. These are the guys that need to be committing now to set up a good deep class.

This is not a good sign. This troubles me.

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Spot on. Unless we're willing to operate in the grey areas more efficiently, this will continue to happen. If you want elite talent, you gotta get your hands dirty. They aren't choosing the school that didn't give them something when everyone else on their list is giving them shit.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Correct, we have a really good signing class started. Willie is young, prone to change his mind. We just picked up two good receivers to add to our 2016 class. We are doing okay, Mississippi is trying to catch-up, don't worry about them! Mississippi has all the issues right now they can deal with! We are Mississippi State University and we are proud of that! HAIL STATE!

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There's maroon colored glasses and then there's living in an alternate reality. You're firmly in the latter. Northern Miss is playing catch-up? Really? Maybe you missed them kicking the ever loving shit out of us 3 out of the last 4 years. And that was with the best QB we may ever have playing for us. We were absolutely dominated on the field. They're ahead and will continue to be ahead until the NCAA drops the hammer. And if by some miracle they escape this with a wrist slap, they'll pull even further ahead, because it'll be anything goes and they'll already have a pretty full cupboard.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd call Dak an "elite talent". But here is what gets lost- we do a good job developing three star talent-but how would we do developing four- five star talent? You still get a higher yield from better more talented players than you do with less talented players.

And you also get more wins with more talented players. Talent wins. So, that 10 wins might become 12 with better players. Just because you win 10 games and we've "historically never done that before" doesn't mean that we aren't underachieving. Just like when Polk II was still taking us to regionals even though we were losing recruiting battles left and right.

It doesn't matter how well we develop talent- if we can't even get the best talent in the state we're never going to come even close to reaching our ceiling. We're still going to be stuck where we are- and probably worse since Dan doesn't have Dak to bail out half of his dumbass decisions anymore. Unless Fitz is a lot better than I realize.

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And to add to your point: That talent or lack thereof tends to show up in postseason. Look at the way the 2007 CWS team got bitchslapped 0-2 in Omaha that year. It was obvious we didn't have anywhere near the talent it took to be competitive against upper-tier teams. We just happened to get hot for two weekends after squeaking into the Tourney.

Now go back to the Orange Bowl two years ago in football. We got bitchslapped by an top tier ACC team and looked like garbage. And that was the team that won 9 in the regular season. The overall talent disparity showed up in the postseason. Same thing happened in reverse last season. We bitchslapped a middle of the pack ACC team and you could see the talent gap between us and them.

Until Mullen decides to play the game and do what it takes to get top end talent, we've reached our artificial ceiling.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

And to add to your point: That talent or lack thereof tends to show up in postseason. Look at the way the 2007 CWS team got bitchslapped 0-2 in Omaha that year. It was obvious we didn't have anywhere near the talent it took to be competitive against upper-tier teams. We just happened to get hot for two weekends after squeaking into the Tourney.

Now go back to the Orange Bowl two years ago in football. We got bitchslapped by an top tier ACC team and looked like garbage. And that was the team that won 9 in the regular season. The overall talent disparity showed up in the postseason. Same thing happened in reverse last season. We bitchslapped a middle of the pack ACC team and you could see the talent gap between us and them.

Until Mullen decides to play the game and do what it takes to get top end talent, we've reached our artificial ceiling.

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You are exactly right. Especially if you look at who our wins were against and how the teams we lost to ended up. The sad part is we could get the talent in here. But I don't think Dan is capable of doing it. Legal or illegal. As I said this isn't about one LB from Starkville. This is about multiple losses in the recruiting wars. This cycle and last we had five prospects from the Golden Triangle that are/were legit talents. If things hold as they are right now- we would have gotten two out of the five. I can understand one kid wanting to leave town. Three out of five doesn't hold water.

And that's not to mention that we aren't even on the top player in the state's top 10 list at a traditional MSU stronghold plus the fact that there is a player that should have been an obvious low risk sign and place that we slow played that Ole Miss now has control of at the one position group that has failed us the past few years.

At this point I just wonder how long we are going to keep burying our head in the sand. After seven, eight years or whatever it has been- if Dan hasn't gotten it figured out by now, he likely won't.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You are exactly right. Especially if you look at who our wins were against and how the teams we lost to ended up. The sad part is we could get the talent in here. But I don't think Dan is capable of doing it. Legal or illegal. As I said this isn't about one LB from Starkville. This is about multiple losses in the recruiting wars. This cycle and last we had five prospects from the Golden Triangle that are/were legit talents. If things hold as they are right now- we would have gotten two out of the five. I can understand one kid wanting to leave town. Three out of five doesn't hold water.

And that's not to mention that we aren't even on the top player in the state's top 10 list at a traditional MSU stronghold plus the fact that there is a player that should have been an obvious low risk sign and place that we slow played that Ole Miss now has control of at the one position group that has failed us the past few years.

At this point I just wonder how long we are going to keep burying our head in the sand. After seven, eight years or whatever it has been- if Dan hasn't gotten it figured out by now, he likely won't.

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I don't believe Dan hasn't figured it out by now. In fact, he would be well seasoned at this point. The guys we get always have high praise for Dan, and the way the staff recruited them. That's why it doesn't make any sense.

I'm going to continue the belief that illegal incentives are being used. Nothing else will work for me. It's worth too much to them to piss us off.

It's funny to me they we can recruit at a high level in basketball and baseball but struggle to be relevant in recruiting in football.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

It's funny to me they we can recruit at a high level in basketball and baseball but struggle to be relevant in recruiting in football.

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all schools care about football and invest enormous amounts of time energy and money into being competitive. it's not hard to figure out why it's more difficult to be upper echelon in that sport.

not to mention in basketball the talent is distributed a ton more - can only play 5 guys at a time. guys want to play.

baseball is forgotten by most - ofc we snipe some guys nationwide. we gave a **** about baseball before most and probably still do

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I have no words for this 1.

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I got one....pu$$y

What are we doing with our instate recruiting? Two MSU pipelines have 4 star and above and we can't even sign one. Is Barney Farrar really that good?

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Don't get me wrong we must up our recruiting and hit on more 4 stars and an occasional 5 to move up in the SEC West, especially in the OL. Heck, he lives in Starkville, sure hope he didn't read the threads here recently about what a dump it is to live in Starkville and wanted the bright lights of Oxpatch. Heck, when I was at State I was perfectly fine with the Burger Chef close to campus, Sarge's, Len-Lews, The Triangle Club, and exotic road trips to Columbus to the Southern Aire and the Ironworks. Think I also saw some really questionable movies at the Drive-In on the outside of town. Never knew how deprived I was! Now I'm really showing my age! Hail State! It's still a long time till signing day.

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It was The Welding Works Wednesday ladies night, Southernaire on Thursday, ladies night. I used to manage the Triangle Club, you and I must be close to the same age, lot fun back then.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

There's maroon colored glasses and then there's living in an alternate reality. You're firmly in the latter. Northern Miss is playing catch-up? Really? Maybe you missed them kicking the ever loving shit out of us 3 out of the last 4 years. And that was with the best QB we may ever have playing for us. We were absolutely dominated on the field. They're ahead and will continue to be ahead until the NCAA drops the hammer. And if by some miracle they escape this with a wrist slap, they'll pull even further ahead, because it'll be anything goes and they'll already have a pretty full cupboard.

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I was speaking to the current recruiting class WMD.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd call Dak an "elite talent". But here is what gets lost- we do a good job developing three star talent-but how would we do developing four- five star talent? You still get a higher yield from better more talented players than you do with less talented players.

And you also get more wins with more talented players. Talent wins. So, that 10 wins might become 12 with better players. Just because you win 10 games and we've "historically never done that before" doesn't mean that we aren't underachieving. Just like when Polk II was still taking us to regionals even though we were losing recruiting battles left and right.

It doesn't matter how well we develop talent- if we can't even get the best talent in the state we're never going to come even close to reaching our ceiling. We're still going to be stuck where we are- and probably worse since Dan doesn't have Dak to bail out half of his dumbass decisions anymore. Unless Fitz is a lot better than I realize.

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Dak was not considered elite coming out of high school. Quit acting as if we have no elite talent on the team. We have 4* guys all across the team. You damn pedophile fans. Let these kids go wherever the hell they want. It's sad that grown men take advantage of them and pimp them to universities but that's life. Don't keep being that guy. Grow up grown man. Stop being a boy wonder follower. Who bailed Dan out with Relf? ...Dan Mullen is fine and knows what he's doing. You fawkers are sick and borderline psycho over a minor choosing a college to attend.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

And to add to your point: That talent or lack thereof tends to show up in postseason. Look at the way the 2007 CWS team got bitchslapped 0-2 in Omaha that year. It was obvious we didn't have anywhere near the talent it took to be competitive against upper-tier teams. We just happened to get hot for two weekends after squeaking into the Tourney.

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Bro, we had 6 current or future Major Leaguers on that team. That is either at or near the top of any team in college baseball that year. How do you define "lack of talent"?

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Until Mullen decides to play the game and do what it takes to get top end talent, we've reached our artificial ceiling.

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If this was really all it took and we didn't take care of the situation that is beyond pathetic on Mullen's part and our entire athletic department. If the girl is good enough to be on UNM's track team she should be good enough for ours. Now if we gave her the opportunity and she just was determined to choose the Bears then that's a different story.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

If this was really all it took and we didn't take care of the situation that is beyond pathetic on Mullen's part and our entire athletic department. If the girl is good enough to be on UNM's track team she should be good enough for ours. Now if we gave her the opportunity and she just was determined to choose the Bears then that's a different story.

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His girlfriend had a MSU offer in track. She chose OM. She's mentioned on Twitter before how ready she was to get out of Starkville & this was before she committed.

IYOK do you get the feeling she was the influence to not go MSU?

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

IYOK do you get the feeling she was the influence to not go MSU?

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Not sure. Like has been said he was telling our coaches he was coming as late as yesterday afternoon.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

His girlfriend had a MSU offer in track. She chose OM. She's mentioned on Twitter before how ready she was to get out of Starkville & this was before she committed.

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What's the world coming to. I assume his girlfriend is African-American (though she may not be), and if so, she wants to get out of Starkville to go up to the Plantation? Ok.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

What's the world coming to. I assume his girlfriend is African-American (though she may not be), and if so, she wants to get out of Starkville to go up to the Plantation? Ok.

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Isn't the om women's track program facing probation?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Isn't the om women's track program facing probation?

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Can we start calling it " The Probation Plantation"

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Can we start calling it " The Probation Plantation"

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For the probation couple

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Isn't the om women's track program facing probation?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

There's maroon colored glasses and then there's living in an alternate reality. You're firmly in the latter. Northern Miss is playing catch-up? Really? Maybe you missed them kicking the ever loving shit out of us 3 out of the last 4 years. And that was with the best QB we may ever have playing for us. We were absolutely dominated on the field. They're ahead and will continue to be ahead until the NCAA drops the hammer. And if by some miracle they escape this with a wrist slap, they'll pull even further ahead, because it'll be anything goes and they'll already have a pretty full cupboard.

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This past year is the first time since Mullen's first year they finished ahead of us in the West. It's also the first time they have beaten us in StarkVegas in a LONG time. And an objective look at that game would conclude we killed ourselves and all our momentum. Dak had a sub-par game. WE started that game off gang-busters, then turned it over. We followed that up with another couple of t/o's early on that got us too far behind.

By the time we got our shit half-way together, we actually outscored them, etc. But by then it was too-little-too-late. We simply dug too deep a hole this past year. I would not say that is indicative of them being ahead, etc.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we return the favor and beat them in that hell-hole of a stadium they call home this year.

3 of last 4 sounds especially dominant on its own, but really it's just, win-at-home, lose at Starkvegas, win-at-home, win at SV when we shit the bed. Since Mullen came on board we are 4-3 vs them. If we beat them this year, we'll be able to say we won 2 of the last 4. When one game can make that much of a change, it suggests you may be overreacting a bit.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

This past year is the first time since Mullen's first year they finished ahead of us in the West. It's also the first time they have beaten us in StarkVegas in a LONG time. And an objective look at that game would conclude we killed ourselves and all our momentum. Dak had a sub-par game. WE started that game off gang-busters, then turned it over. We followed that up with another couple of t/o's early on that got us too far behind.

By the time we got our shit half-way together, we actually outscored them, etc. But by then it was too-little-too-late. We simply dug too deep a hole this past year. I would not say that is indicative of them being ahead, etc.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we return the favor and beat them in that hell-hole of a stadium they call home this year.

3 of last 4 sounds especially dominant on its own, but really it's just, win-at-home, lose at Starkvegas, win-at-home, win at SV when we shit the bed. Since Mullen came on board we are 4-3 vs them. If we beat them this year, we'll be able to say we won 2 of the last 4. When one game can make that much of a change, it suggests you may be overreacting a bit.

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Seems like this is the saga most every time Mullen plays Freeze, Sumlin, Miles, and Saban. 3 - 21. He's 1 - 3 against Freeze ... with 3 embarrassing losses. Should've been able to win a few more of those.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Seems like this is the saga most every time Mullen plays Freeze, Sumlin, Miles, and Saban. 3 - 21. He's 1 - 3 against Freeze ... with 3 embarrassing losses. Should've been able to win a few more of those.

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I notice you left out auburn and Arkansas

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

This past year is the first time since Mullen's first year they finished ahead of us in the West. It's also the first time they have beaten us in StarkVegas in a LONG time. And an objective look at that game would conclude we killed ourselves and all our momentum. Dak had a sub-par game. WE started that game off gang-busters, then turned it over. We followed that up with another couple of t/o's early on that got us too far behind.

By the time we got our shit half-way together, we actually outscored them, etc. But by then it was too-little-too-late. We simply dug too deep a hole this past year.

bit.

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Thumbs up to you. You are a true optimist. Because last year was one of the most miserable egg bowls I personally attended. After the pick 6, It was over and I must have went into a foggy state of awareness because I don't recall us having the upper hand at any point of the game.

The overall strength of the programs.....it is cyclical. Has been since Jackie arrived.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I notice you left out auburn and Arkansas

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Yea I did ... sorry, forgot that everyone does get excited about beating bad Auburn teams or mediocre to bad Arky teams. Kinda thought the goal was going to Atlanta. We've had decent enough teams to beat Miles more than we have, Sumlin more than we have and IMO, should be 3 - 1 against Bears even with all the cheatin they been doing.

Regularly going 3-3 and 2-4 in SEC West is good enough tho. It certainly is thrilling to watch Mullen's offense hang 62 or so on the likes of MTSU.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

It certainly is thrilling to watch Mullen's offense hang 62 or so on the likes of MTSU.

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Or 34 vs lsu or 48 vs aTm or 38 vs auburn or 51 vs Arkansas.

I enjoyed those games a lot even if we didn't beat om or go to Atlanta. If Atlanta is your goal and the source of your happiness, you should probably pick another team as long as Saban is at bama.