Dak got a DUI!!

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03-13-2016, 03:56 PM
Commercecomet24

Dang, he's not Aaron Hernandez. He made a mistake. I for one am proud of Dak and what he's done for MSU. This just shows he's human not superman. I don't condone what he did and there will be consequences but let's not act like this is a pattern of behavior or who he is.
03-13-2016, 04:43 PM
Jack Lambert

HOw many of you have drinking and drove?
03-13-2016, 04:50 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

It absolutely sucks being a State fan.

That's my thoughts on this. Sucks.

This is my feeling on the subject as well. I guess this is just one of reasons why we can't have nice things. I don't want to get in the middle of this back and forth but I just hope if the SPD found it necessary to put a black eye on the poster boy for not just MSU football, but all of MSU athletics for the time being, then I REALLY hope he was significantly over the limit. Yes, this will hurt Dak's reputation and draft stock personally somewhat but it also hurts Mississippi State and in turn Starkville. Nobody is asking SPD to turn a blind eye to MSU athletes in general but Dak is a different animal and EVERYONE should know it. I can tell you that whatever success Dak has on the next level he will be the first one to market us and give financially back to the University and cause other high profile recruits to have a higher interest in us (which he already does). Anything the SPD does to tarnish Dak is just hurting everything MSU and Starkville related. Would take a pretty short sighted cop to not understand this so I hope the arrest for DUI that Dak got was something that just could not have been avoided due to his significant level of blood alcohol. If this same type situation had happened in another big time college football town I would bet it would have been handled in a much different way.
03-13-2016, 06:13 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

Retarded response as usual when there's any criticism of your boy.

Alright you Cam Newton cock$ucker I am questioning if you're actually an MSU fan after this latest post. You love Cam Newton and now you're knocking Dak. Seems awfully Auburn or Old Misses of you.
03-13-2016, 08:17 PM
Dawgology

This is the most well thought out response I've read.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

This is my feeling on the subject as well. I guess this is just one of reasons why we can't have nice things. I don't want to get in the middle of this back and forth but I just hope if the SPD found it necessary to put a black eye on the poster boy for not just MSU football, but all of MSU athletics for the time being, then I REALLY hope he was significantly over the limit. Yes, this will hurt Dak's reputation and draft stock personally somewhat but it also hurts Mississippi State and in turn Starkville. Nobody is asking SPD to turn a blind eye to MSU athletes in general but Dak is a different animal and EVERYONE should know it. I can tell you that whatever success Dak has on the next level he will be the first one to market us and give financially back to the University and cause other high profile recruits to have a higher interest in us (which he already does). Anything the SPD does to tarnish Dak is just hurting everything MSU and Starkville related. Would take a pretty short sighted cop to not understand this so I hope the arrest for DUI that Dak got was something that just could not have been avoided due to his significant level of blood alcohol. If this same type situation had happened in another big time college football town I would bet it would have been handled in a much different way.

I've not responded on this subject because of my close relation to law enforcement but, that being said, I hope he was REALLY sloshy drunk and ready to fight or this was just a bad idea. Not even counting Dak's career, the long term impact this could have on MSU AND Starkville is significant. You can say all people should be treated equally but there is something called officer discretion that is implemented EVERY day in the profession. I have no idea the circumstances surrounding what happened but I do know Dak was teaching a bunch of young kids 6 hours later at a football camp. Not many folks can do that after a heavy bindger. He has either hidden is alcoholism REALLY well the past 5 years or this was a major overreaction by an officer.
03-13-2016, 08:33 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

This is my feeling on the subject as well. I guess this is just one of reasons why we can't have nice things. I don't want to get in the middle of this back and forth but I just hope if the SPD found it necessary to put a black eye on the poster boy for not just MSU football, but all of MSU athletics for the time being, then I REALLY hope he was significantly over the limit. Yes, this will hurt Dak's reputation and draft stock personally somewhat but it also hurts Mississippi State and in turn Starkville. Nobody is asking SPD to turn a blind eye to MSU athletes in general but Dak is a different animal and EVERYONE should know it. I can tell you that whatever success Dak has on the next level he will be the first one to market us and give financially back to the University and cause other high profile recruits to have a higher interest in us (which he already does). Anything the SPD does to tarnish Dak is just hurting everything MSU and Starkville related. Would take a pretty short sighted cop to not understand this so I hope the arrest for DUI that Dak got was something that just could not have been avoided due to his significant level of blood alcohol. If this same type situation had happened in another big time college football town I would bet it would have been handled in a much different way.

I agree with this post and I Googled and .08 is consistent through the country.
03-13-2016, 08:56 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Percho

I agree with this post and I Googled and .08 is consistent through the country.

Probably a federal "mandate" tied to federal funds. Much like the drinking age being 21. "You don't have to set your drinking age at 21 or BAL at .08, but if you don't, you won't receive federal highway funds."
03-13-2016, 08:59 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Probably a federal "mandate" tied to federal funds. Much like the drinking age being 21. "You don't have to set your drinking age at 21 or BAL at .08, but if you don't, you won't receive federal highway funds."

Tis exactly what it is.

Dak's statement last night was good. He said what he needed to say. Now he needs to live by it. I think he will.
03-13-2016, 09:08 PM
Maroonthirteen

Yeah, I think he is a good guy. No different than any other 22 year old but after the horrible spring break incident, how could he and the university not ensure he has protection (who could drive) with him anytime he goes out in bar/party type setting? Just absolutely dumb all around.

As for SPD, the difference between now and 1980/90... Dash cams and MADD. You cant let people walk like back in the day.
03-13-2016, 09:09 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

So no such crime as attempted murder then?

Google "mens rea"
03-13-2016, 09:10 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

So is drinking and driving.

No, it's not actually
03-14-2016, 07:13 AM
tallydawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It only erased them for idiots.

Driving drunk is terrible but it's only a problem if you have a drinking problem. Manziel's problem was a drinking problem not a matter if he got a DUI or not.

Please tell that to someone who has actually been affected by a drunk driver. 239 children 14 years and younger killed by drunk drivers in 2012. It is not only a problem if you have a drinking problem because even if it is an isolated incident, it can adversely affect people as we see almost every day.

We all respect Dak and we all make mistakes, but as they say, one "oh shit" can void a thousand "atta boys". If people are skeptical of him and his leadership qualities after this, they have a right to be.
03-14-2016, 07:24 AM
tallydawg

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

Many of us know someone hurt by a drunk driver, so I know why many have strong opinions. Somewhat fortunately for me, no one close to me was a victim, except for some of my friends that were injured while drunk during my college days. My room-mate wrecked while drunk on dead man's curve near Skuna bottom between Gore Springs and Coffeeville. He didn't hurt anybody else but he went through his wind shield. His face was one big scab.

BUT, many of the statistics you see put out by MADD are rigged. If you're sober and you wreck and kill a drunk guy, that goes in the books as a drunk driving fatality. A couple of years ago a good friend of mine in Dallas was T-boned at an intersection. Not his fault. He was given a DUI because some bitch was probably texting her girl friend.

I think that's a skewed logic. There is a difference between the statistics being slightly misleading (maybe off by a few here and there) and by them being rigged. No one has a reason to rig drunk driving statistics. The hard truth is that drunk driving has and will continue to adversely affect people's lives. Making excuses for it doesn't change anything and isn't going to help Dak.
03-14-2016, 07:29 AM
tallydawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Less than 1% of people that drink and drive hit someone. Calm down Francis

239 kids (ages 14 and younger) were killed in 2012 as a result of drunk driving. Statistics for adults is probably much more. Ultimately, I don't see how one could say this was only a "mistake". It was wrong and more than that, it was dangerously selfish.
03-14-2016, 08:14 AM
Dawgology

There is a lot of assuming going on here

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Originally Posted by tallydawg

239 kids (ages 14 and younger) were killed in 2012 as a result of drunk driving. Statistics for adults is probably much more. Ultimately, I don't see how one could say this was only a "mistake". It was wrong and more than that, it was dangerously selfish.

Did you know that you can drink one (1) beer and be over the limit? In fact, you can drink 2 or 3 and not even feel it in any way and still blow over a .08. You would be, by the letter of the law, breaking the law and not even know it. Add into the mix a small town DUI unit that has to justify their existence and you have a perfect storm.

Conversely, let's say you had that one beer and were legally over .08. You hop in your car to head home for the night and, as you head down the bypass, a minivan swerves in front of you, catches your bumper losing control and everyone in the minivan dies. Guess who's fault that is? Not the minivans once the tox screen is conducted. Family will be looking for someone to crucify because of the pain they are experiencing.

I have helped with this type of case and it can be tough. It can also lead to some very skewed stats. All of that said...drinking and driving is stupid but I think we need to know more of the story surrounding this incident (which we probably never will). I find it very hard to believe he was really drunk and still made it to his kids camp several hours later. Lots of people there and no one reported him smelling of alcohol or being inebriated.

Just food for thought.
03-14-2016, 08:59 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Did you know that you can drink one (1) beer and be over the limit? In fact, you can drink 2 or 3 and not even feel it in any way and still blow over a .08. You would be, by the letter of the law, breaking the law and not even know it. Add into the mix a small town DUI unit that has to justify their existence and you have a perfect storm.

Conversely, let's say you had that one beer and were legally over .08. You hop in your car to head home for the night and, as you head down the bypass, a minivan swerves in front of you, catches your bumper losing control and everyone in the minivan dies. Guess who's fault that is? Not the minivans once the tox screen is conducted. Family will be looking for someone to crucify because of the pain they are experiencing.

I have helped with this type of case and it can be tough. It can also lead to some very skewed stats. All of that said...drinking and driving is stupid but I think we need to know more of the story surrounding this incident (which we probably never will). I find it very hard to believe he was really drunk and still made it to his kids camp several hours later. Lots of people there and no one reported him smelling of alcohol or being inebriated.

Just food for thought.

That's why I want to wait and make full judgement after we find out what he blew. Its one thing to be sloshing drunk and to wrecklessly jump behind the wheel of your vehicle and its another to really, truly believe you are OK and be just slightly over the limit. I mean its not like most folks carry a blood alcohol meter on their person.
03-14-2016, 11:34 AM
tallydawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Did you know that you can drink one (1) beer and be over the limit? In fact, you can drink 2 or 3 and not even feel it in any way and still blow over a .08. You would be, by the letter of the law, breaking the law and not even know it. Add into the mix a small town DUI unit that has to justify their existence and you have a perfect storm.

Conversely, let's say you had that one beer and were legally over .08. You hop in your car to head home for the night and, as you head down the bypass, a minivan swerves in front of you, catches your bumper losing control and everyone in the minivan dies. Guess who's fault that is? Not the minivans once the tox screen is conducted. Family will be looking for someone to crucify because of the pain they are experiencing.

I have helped with this type of case and it can be tough. It can also lead to some very skewed stats. All of that said...drinking and driving is stupid but I think we need to know more of the story surrounding this incident (which we probably never will). I find it very hard to believe he was really drunk and still made it to his kids camp several hours later. Lots of people there and no one reported him smelling of alcohol or being inebriated.

Just food for thought.

Good points. I'm also confident he showed up to the camp ready to go and of course no one is doubting that he is a professional individual.

The thing is, as a quarterback and potential leader of an NFL team, it's his responsibility to know the law and understand why he can't make mistakes like that. In addition to that, there is a reason why the legal limit is set to .08. Countless studies show the effects that alcohol has on drivers with reaction time being a big part of it.

Having served in the military for the past few years, I can tell you that we are constantly training on these things. And it wouldn't matter if I blew a .09 and was an outstanding individual, I would be shown the door and likely lose some of my benefits. People look to the military as a standard, but even more than that, our kids are looking at Dak to set a better example.

All of that to say, I'm disappointed and I thought better of him. I still respect him and I will be rooting for him big time at the next level. But as State fans, I don't think we should go easy on him for this. We need to keep our standards high and make sure that all of our players understand that. After all, this isn't TSUN.
03-14-2016, 11:44 AM
Maroonthirteen

I hate to keep this topic bumped but...

Y'all do realize that most folks in the GTR are NOT State fans? It is very likely that this cop wasn't a fan. Maybe he was but likely not. Point being, don't expect everyone at SPD to be all in for MSU.
03-14-2016, 11:47 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I hate to keep this topic bumped but...

Y'all do realize that most folks in the GTR are NOT State fans? It is very likely that this cop wasn't a fan. Maybe he was but likely not. Point being, don't expect everyone at SPD to be all in for MSU.

Well the truth of the reality is that what is good for MSU is good for Starkville and vice versa. I realize that those that are not State fans in the GTR don't really care about that but it doesn't make it any less true. Without MSU Starkville would be lucky to show up on a map.
03-14-2016, 11:55 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well the truth of the reality is that what is good for MSU is good for Starkville and vice versa. I realize that those that are not State fans in the GTR don't really care about that but it doesn't make it any less true. Without MSU Starkville would be lucky to show up on a map.

OH! I agree 100%. Starkville and it's citzens should be very thankful for MSU. But that isn't the reality of the situation....
03-14-2016, 12:57 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by tallydawg

239 kids (ages 14 and younger) were killed in 2012 as a result of drunk driving. Statistics for adults is probably much more. Ultimately, I don't see how one could say this was only a "mistake". It was wrong and more than that, it was dangerously selfish.

Millions drink and drive everyday. As I said- less than 1%.

This is life and there are dangers out there. We cant eliminate all dangers. You want to eliminate drinking and driving? Then let's ban the sale of alcohol in public places. That would deter it more than anything. We wont do that because alcohol is big business and employs alot of people. Their livelihood depends on people drinking and driving.
03-15-2016, 08:23 AM
tallydawg

I understand your point and I agree, but that has nothing to do with Dak's decision. I don't think it is right for us as State fans to try and defend Dak on this by diminishing the seriousness of driving drunk. We can talk statistics and theories all day, but ultimately I think you are in keeping with the opinion that it was not a wise decision for a future NFL quarterback to make. More than that, as I said in the other post, it was a dangerously selfish decision meaning that driving under the influence (no matter how you spin it) is dangerous, and making that decision when you have thousands of people looking up to you is selfish. He's owned up to it and that's the most he can do for now, but I don't think he would ask us to justify this at all. The right thing for fans and staff to do is make sure that our players understand that there is a higher standard to be accountable to, and when you make bad decisions, you are responsible for them.
03-15-2016, 09:45 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Your having trouble hashing this out. DUI is terrible but doesn't mean you are a bad guy. It only means you made a mistake.

The result of Dak hitting or not hitting someone while driving under the influence, has nothing to do with what type of person he is.

Let me ask this, would you not draft someone that hit someone while texting and driving? What's the difference? Texting and driving is dumb but isn't indicative of the character, leadership, and intelligence of the person. It's just a dumb, unacceptable mistake.

Actually texting and driving is more dangerous unless you are the level drunk where you had to have help starting your car. I see people weave all the time and pull up beside them and they are looking at their phone.

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