That doesn't sit well with me either. I saw some of that shit last year and had to quit watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
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That doesn't sit well with me either. I saw some of that shit last year and had to quit watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Indeed he did. Cody Brown ripped the leadoff double, then he asks true frosh Stovall - who had just come into the game due to Lovelady being injured - to lay down a bunt. Fortunately, UML screwed it up. But yes, The Meddler went full Coinz in the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Can we hire Kruger's JUCO hitting Coach
Like all of our West Coast JUCO's he hasn't been corrupted by Cohen yet in year 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Of course he did. It's a momentum killer and takes away the confidence of the kids IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
He's the same blockheaded moron he's always been. Can't fix stupid. If 2012 didn't teach him, nothing will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucky Dog
I took a minute since I don't know personnel that well to look up past box scores. Looks like Stovall has subbed in one of the games against SDSU and batted 2x in the 4 hole for Collins. So unless I looked at the box score wrong somehow, after a leadoff double in the 3rd, Cohen is then bunting with someone who can hit in the 4 hole for Collins??
I sure hope someone will tell me I'm misreading something here and Stovall is at least a horrific hitter or something similar.
No Stovall is not horrific at hitting...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
No, you aren't missing anything. He's a true freshman, so there will be some inconsistency, but he was the damn Gatorade PotY last year. The kid can hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_FWqWK33ic
I like this dudes confidence and how he handles himself
As far as the sub deal, I wouldn't look too much into that in trying to determine the type of hitter a player is. Once you get into the game it's about a match up and/or just a substitution to get players AB's. That doesn't mean he is consider a 4 hole type of hitter. Michael Smith subbed into the 4 hole in the other SDST game.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I agree he can hit and should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Guys ... I'd love to see Cohen be real successful, but he ain't gonna make it I don't think. I'd probably quit if he did that to me ... unless MAYBE if it was a drag or push bunt ... and then I'd want the option if it's in the 3rd inning.
I sorta figure if someone stays in the game for 2 abs in the 4 hole, he probably can drive the ball pretty decent. May not be a power hitter but probably can at least hit line drives pretty decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Well like I added to that post, in the other SDST game we subbed Smith into the 4 hole. These were both blowout games with mass substitutions. Depending on who is coming up next would have determined the order not the starting line up. It's like if you have 6, 7, 8 coming up, you may mass sub with what you think would be future 1, 2, 3 type of hitters. On the card they are listed in the 6, 7, and 8 hole but may not be what is projected. Make sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
That's why I asked for clarification from the board that he could hit.
Sure. And he can hit. He is just young. But looking at where he subbed doesn't necessarily mean anything depending on where we are in the line up. The game you are talking about he came in as a pinch runner in the 4th. His first at bat was leading off the 6th. So absolutely no coorelation where he subbed and being a 4 hole hitter. He may project into that role but where he subbed was incidental.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
ETA. This is not even mentioning that defensive positions has much more to do with who you are subbing with as hitting ability.
Ok. Based on finding out he can hit ... to me that's hurting good hitters confidence and probably ain't making the clubhouse a fun place to be either. I don't know ... I guess I just don't understand Cohen's baseball philosophy. I was surprised the recruiting class was so good after last year ... especially if any of the recruits watched the games and saw some of Cohen's calls.
If he gets us to Omaha then that would be good ... but I'm not gonna bet the ranch on it.
Where you sub into doesn't mean shit. But, he shouldn't be bunting there for damn sure.
Cohen gonna get cute and cost us big necessary innings with that bullshit. Innings cost games, games cost hosting, costing Cohen his job.
I understand. Just was trying to help you understand that subbing is not necessarily an indication of someone's projected role in the line up for the future. In simplest terms Collins was playing 3rd. So you subbed with a 3rd baseman in Stovall. And in those games it was just mass substitutions. It was a coincidence that Stovall should be a good hitter. But he is young still.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
And while I am a mix but still believe bunting is not only useful but also an underrated tool to the pure Sabermatrics guys, I didn't like that bunt in that situation and during this time of year especially.
So refresh my memory some here ... been many years since I followed baseball too much. But I thought the box score kept the batting order intact. For instance, Stovall could have played 2nd for say Grindley, but he batted for Collins (which is the 4 hole in the 1st SDSU game).
Is that not the way it works? That's assuming at least a double switch.
In this particular case it looks to me like he subbed at 3rd for Collins and batted for him. He may have been a pinch runner for someone else.
No he pinch ran for Collins in the 4th. When he subbed for him when Collins time in the order came up is when he hits. If Collins was batting 9th he would hit in that spot. His hitting potential is irrelevant. This was a blowout mass sub deal. This is the actual sub for that game for the top of the fifth:Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
M Smith to cf for Jacob Robson. Jake Mangum to lf. (He also pinch ran in the bottom of the 4th). H Stovall to 3b. (Pinch ran for Collins) Cole Gordon to 1b for N Lowe. Cody Brown to rf for R Humphreys. Ryan Gridley to ss. John Holland to 2b for L Alexander. Elih Marrero to c for J Lovelady.
You are inserted into that persons spot in the line up. But that is completely irrelevant to what type of hitter you are. It's based on position. And in this case it was just a mass sub.
I just reread this and see what you're getting at a little better now ... since it was a blowout. But I guess if I was mass substituting I would probably try to stick someone in the 4 hole that could drive the ball some. Just my thoughts, maybe. It might depend I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
But during the game you no longer have a 4 hole per say in relation to the score card vs who is actually up in the batting order. You keep thinking in terms of the batting order for the first inning but once the game starts and hopefully you are pounding the ball, by the middle of the game the ACTUAL order coming up for an inning could be any combination. You are going to sub based on defensive positions more so than anything else. If Stovall was light hitting he still slots into Collins spot as a sub in that situation because he plays 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Yea ... the more I think about it the more I recall situations where you might put a real weak hitter in the 4 hole. Certainly late in the game if the 4 hole is down in the order at that time. With the 2 abs/1hit I sorta jumped to the conclusion he was a good hitter. I haven't paid attention to baseball for about 12 or so years now. Watched a little in 2013 and some last year.
I do remember tho, despite my CRS syndrome these days, that with a leadoff double in the 3rd I'm probably gonna try to get more than 1 run unless "maybe" if the roster is full of weak hitters and I have Maddux, Glavine, or Smoltz starting with Rivera in the bullpen. Cohen drove me a little nuts last year doing stuff like that.
SMDH
Bunting a leadoff double, I hate that kind of baseball. Still pulling for us of course but I'll be surprised if he makes it.
Exactly...I'm not playing for the one run; I'm trying to break it open early in the game
And I'll add this, its got to be embarrassing to our players. If I played for the other team I'd be ragging the shit out of our dugout.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
But my confidence would be crushed for the coach not allowing me the chance to get a hit and drive in the run! It makes now freaking sense in the world to bunt right there. None!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
Stovall has speed, why not bunt for a hit in that situation? A nice drag bunt would be OK. Or you could hit the ball to the right side and that would advance the runner. A straight up sacrifice bunt there just sucks.
Yea ... LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackout
That's why I said in earlier post I might could see a drag or push bunt. Way back in HS I actually batted in 4 hole most of the time from 9th grade though 12, in HS & Summer league ball. Wasn't a mega power hitter, but hit line drives and drove runs in. Had a good coach, especially when it came to hitting. Had a little speed and I could bunt, so i had green light to drag or push bunt in some of those situations when the infield was playing back. I can't recall ever being asked to sac bunt though. Hit and run or run and hit I was called to do .. especially hit and run. Batter has to make contact then.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
What Bucky said about confidence is probably happening too. That's why I said I'd probably want to quit in one of my other posts. Plus, you don't make it to the bigs by being a good bunter.
Wanting to give Cohen the benefit of the doubt earlier is why I asked from the board if Stovall could hit. Even then in my mind you'd have to be a damn poor hitter for me to even consider doing something like that, and from reading a little it seems like most of the team can hit pretty good. I think Cohen fell in love with small ball in 2013 and is now taking it into the twilight zone ... and to me he is playing in a twilight zone in baseball I've never witnessed. I've never seen ANYONE have a small ball strategy (if that is what it is) like him. Makes no damn sense half the time.
Something else I scratch my head at a little ... Cohen played a lot last year like he had great pitching. I don't recall that being the case.
This is SEC college baseball our 1-9 should be able to hit without meddling... And they can. Just stop meddling.
That's sorta my thinking (and there's a DH). Size of ballpark doesn't matter if you drive hard-hit line drives all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackout
From reading boards, all these guys had very good summer leagues with wooden bats. Makes me wonder what happens to them when they come back to school. All of the sudden they can't hit and have to bunt runners over all the time?
And the pitching staff and philosophy is such that Cohen thinks they can hold everyone to 2 or 3 runs max while using 5 pitchers a game?
I don't know ... I don't have a PhD in baseball, but this sure perplexes me.
Wooden bats are hotter than BBCOR bats. That's why the NCAA changed the baseball.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Huh ... didn't know that about the bats. Saw something about change of baseball and changes seemed to affect amount of movement (lower seams I believe).
Correct. The ball is also supposed to carry further when hit. But the current BBCOR bats are deader than a hammer. That's why they "thunk" instead of "ping" now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166