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Mullen raised the floor
Not to get into a back & forth but how is what we're losing any worse than what say an Arkansas is losing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
ONE win over a team finishing above .500 in league play lol damn.
But we all knew this. Beat those we should, lose to those we "should". Rinse and repeat.
Which teams in the west are going to be improved? Serious question. Ark, miss, and a&m I doubt. Auburn probably. Lsu maybe. Bama is bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It depends on what Kirkland, Henry, Collins and the tall OT that I can't remember his name do. That is basically the entire offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think their defense stays bad, and even though they got that transfer QB from USC, I think they take a step back for sure.
Whether we win 6 or 8-9 will depend on the OL. They either make huge strides, or they don't. If they don't Fitz won't survive the season. He is a big kid, but Im not sure any QB in the country can be as durable as Dak.
UPig returns 20 of 22 on their defensive 2 deep- that puts them a little better off defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Offensively- there is not as much on their QB's shoulders as it is in our offense. We'll see how Allen's brother does
If Machine Gun Kelly returns, the bears are going to be pretty good. Not as good as this year, but pretty good. A&M is a complete unknown, but they have probably 2 of the top 5 players in the conference on their team. LSU will be improved. Their OL was young, it will be better and their defense was young as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
AU has no where to go but up.
Thankfully for us we get UK and USC, two teams that will battle with Vandy for last place in the East.
I don't disagree with any of what you said. My point is to say that Auburn, Arkansas, A&M, & OM will be better than us is based off what? They return a lot of players? Well on paper so do we. We lose a lot of good players well so do they. I think after Bama & LSU there's 5 teams that you really don't have a good grasp of what they are in 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Yes they return a lot on defense of arguably the worst defense in the West. On offense they lose Allen, a minimum of 2 starting OL (Could be 3 if Skipper leaves), along with Collins, & more than likely Hunter Henry. I just don't see what they bring back being any better than what we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
13 of their 22 on D were Sophs or Fr- that had alot to do with their performance defensively. With 20/22 returing- they more certainly should improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
We lose 4 draft picks on D- we wont be as good in those positions.
We'll see how it plays out
Yep. It will be interesting. Esp if Skipper, Henry, & Collins all leave. A&M & Auburn are going to either right the ship or it's going to sink like the Titanic. Next year is going to be a real make or break year in the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Gus has some big road games- OM, State, Georgia, Bammer....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Right-they are bringing back a lot of players that ain't worth a shit on defense. Whoop de Do. Their QB is what made their offense click. Hunter Henry is gone plus the Hogs have become our BITCH. A&M comes To Vegas with who knows who playing QB. The Rebs won't be better for sure if MGK goes Pro. Auburn might be Better but not a given plus we play them at Home. LSU still doesn't have a QB and Les will let Us keep it close. Then the is Bama and they are Bama to everyone and that Blind Hog is going to find an acorn some day , why not next year. Do we have to be negative for no reason? Have some faith, I think our DBs will be Better and our LBs are a strength. Our DL will be Ok. And Our Offense will be top 5 or 6 in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
plus dan doesn't get enough credit for his Red Shirt program. How many RS are going to come board and really be a factor--at least 4 or 5 maybe more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
1. Rankin
2. Jung
3 Lewis
4 one of the RBs
5. Mixon or the other Slot guy-can't think of his name.
6 at least one defensive back.
LSU is loaded with talent every year. I could see them being better next year or I could see them being exactly the same. If I were forced to guess, I'd bet they are slightly better but that it wasn't experience holding them back this year. Miles has just very slowly been losing his edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Both QB's that weren't very good. How many of their recruiting class is going to be able to make a difference their first season on campus? They certainly could be better, but they have recruited pretty well for a while and yet weren't good this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The D that let us score 50 on them? If those 9 returning starters were all freshmen and sophomores this year, maybe. Otherwise returning starters from a mediocre defense doesn't seem to be an obviously good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Weren't they loaded at WR and on the DL this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How many of their recruits are really going to be significant upgrades as true freshmen?[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm just not seeing it. It certainly could be because LSU, Auburn, and A&M seem to be under performing their talent. But if they don't magically get it together in the upcoming year (and I think one of them will, just not thinking all three will), you have UM, Arkansas, and MSU losing pretty key contributors. It's most likely going to be like this year. Bama will be the class. Then there will be a bunch of flawed teams and a team or two that is a dumpster fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
and that new floor won't leave with him. that's what the "woe is MSU" crowd can't seem to grasp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm definitely not a woe as me guy but this is an assumption not a fact. Could someone come in & do better than Mullen? Of course they could. Could someone come in & suck & do worse? Of course they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
History actually disputes this statement. By a fairly large percentage. More times than not the new guy may have a good first year (usually happens when hired within the prior staff or a similar style coach comes in) and it declines back to historic levels or it just reverts back immediately. That is by far the norm. A few maintains the floor or it drops just a little. Very few have actually improved upon the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment here. The coaches looked at what we had with Rankin and then looked at what we had with Warren and Jenkins and decided to redshirt Rankin. He certainly could be a slight upgrade over Warren, but be a significant upgrade after not being able to earn a starting spot this year would require a significant improvement over his RS year. Possible, but just seems unlikely that anyone with the natural ability to be an upgrade over Warren wouldn't ahve been able to get on the field at all this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
will the new facilities leave with him? the bowled in stadium? the budget?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
could someone come in and coach worse? lower expectations from the players and let rot set in? of course, but that would take sustained effort which would be headed off by firing the imbecile and replacing him. we are looking at a 6 win season next year, maybe worse. i just don't see how any competent hire can do worse.
We will have to see how it translates but he looked pretty good late in the year. Just no reason to pull the red shirt at that point. And I don't think it was really physical issues that hampered him early. But have to see how he handles spring and then the lights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
We don't have to make an outstanding hire to continue to keep the same floor as Mullen, but we'd have to hire a good coach and the chances of doing that after running off a coach that just took us from one bowl game in 5 years (the liberty), to six bowl games in seven years (including, the Orange, Gaotor X2, the Music City, Belk, and Liberty) or even six bowl games in 8 years would probably not be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Out of curiosity, I'd like to see what coaching hires that were made this off season the fans that want Mullen to leave would have been happy with. http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/c...g_changes.html Some of these hires will look great in hindsight, but how many would people be excited about now? Fuente? Matt Campbell? Bronco Mendenhall? Dino Babers? I get thinking Mullen has peaked, I just don't get who people think we could go get that would justify taking the risk of making a bad hire.
I'll take the bet on that 6-6 or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
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Originally Posted by Johnson85
LSU was better than us this season- and will be again next season- in Baton Rouge
We struggled to beat Auburn. They only returned something like 9 starters last year- now they will return 15 and add depth with their recruiting class.
We may beat UPig- but with 15-16 starters returning to a team that went 5-3 in the SEC- they might be pretty good again
A&M beat us for the 3rd time in 4 years- and returns more starters than we do. And is recruiting better than us
OM returns some good players and their QB- and we go to Oxford next year
Gonna be a tough road for us in 2016- harder than 2015.
This. Rankin could be adequate next year, but to think we sat an all sec caliber OT that got here in January is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
i think we could be much better than 6-6, but i don't think Mullen will make the offensive adjustments that would take. i see a lot of zone read off the DE and Holloway up the gut next year. the exact same offense we've seen for years, that nearlyevery team we see will be vastly prepared for. it could get ugly. hope i'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I actually think the offense will be ok. We'll turn it over a little more- but Fitz can hit the deep ball to create big plays too. Defense scares the shit out of meQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
That is what southern said when Fedora left!Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I'll take some of that too. All you feel comfortable taking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
LSU was better than us this season- and will be again next season- in Baton RougeQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We struggled to beat Auburn. They only returned something like 9 starters last year- now they will return 15 and add depth with their recruiting class.
We may beat UPig- but with 15-16 starters returning to a team that went 5-3 in the SEC- they might be pretty good again
A&M beat us for the 3rd time in 4 years- and returns more starters than we do. And is recruiting better than us
OM returns some good players and their QB- and we go to Oxford next year
Gonna be a tough road for us in 2016- harder than 2015.[/QUOTE]
Maybe so, but that has nothing to do with the original point - whether the west will be improved next year. If the road is harder, it will likely be due to how much we fall off, not how improved everybody else is. Just my two cents.
None that I know said that, they knew they were screwed when he left just like everyone else. Comparing USM and State right now is asinine.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
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Originally Posted by Johnson85
Rankin could have played but Dan would rather have him 100% for two years. What I have heard is Rankin has been looking really good in practice. His talent and ability have been there but he didn't grasp the blocking schemes early on.
Too many experts had this Guy as the number one OL in JuCo for Him to be a bust.
That's hilarious. I think the defense could be pretty good if we can find some productivity along the DL. I think the DBs as a group will be better, our LBs will be the best and deepest in the SEC, and we have some decent talent to play with at DE if they will move a guy or two around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Offensive line could be worse possibly, barring a redshirted juco showing up as a stud, we could be in trouble up front...with a 150 lb RB cramming it up the middle. I think Fitz is great, but he's going to need help up front and at RB. I'm not convinced either position is a middle or upper tier SEC group.
Hilarious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
We lose draft picks at both CB's- and after your boy went down you saw how much worse the defense got. And I wont rehash the DL problems
The OL will be a little better. We return 3 starters- and Jenkins was every bit as good as Rufus- with a higher upside. Calhoun will be a year older and will be a good player.
Ours WR group will be even better than this season if Bear stays and adding AJ to the group
RB's get a year older.
New QB throws a great deep ball.
TE is a question mark
Offense will be pretty good again- defense? Not so much
I think the offense will be fun to watch. Hard to imagine Fitz being that good being so new.
OL - can't get worse so will be "better". I still think they will struggle against good teams. Hopefully they can not give up 10 sacks in any one game.
Defense - in trouble
WR - will be great but won't matter.
RB - more terribleHate to be Debbie Downer but, I don't think we will beat anyone in the West.
I just think it's funny how much grief I've caught and continue to catch for being pissed when we had gone 5-11 over 16 games, in which the wins were 4-8 Arky, Alcorn St, Troy, and getting lucky to squeak by Bowling Green and Kentucky by 1 and 6 points respectively. While losing by 31 to Bama, 25 to aTm, 20 to LSU, 17 to OM, 14 to Northwestern, 18 to Oklahoma St, 4 to Auburn in a botched game, 33 to LSU, 18 to SCe at the point when we started to turn the corner at aTm and vs Bama even while QBs were dropping like flies.
But now -- it's somehow widely acceptable here to be pissed the heck off and saying the same things I was saying off a really bad 5-11 stretch -- off a 20-7 stretch that saw us at #1 for 5 weeks.
You were right Engie.
The difference for me personally Engie is that we were a young team in 2013 and had been hampered by injuries. You could see that when Dakota was healthy- we were a much better team. Then in 2014- when we returned the most starters in he SEC- we had a great season.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
We we were a veteran team in 2015- and it's been decent. We will still be a veteran team for the most part in 2016- and our expectations will again be very low- as in 2015. If we aren't expected to win when we have veteran teams- then our developmental- redshirt as many in the freshman class mentality is failing. When you don't start a person younger than a Jr on your OL- and THAT is what we look like- we are failing
And I'd say we will be a very young team in 2016. At least -- that's where the talent is. It's in the class of 2015 and the handful of key remaining rsSRs from the class of 2012.
The vast majority of the "veterans" are from bust classes and are less talented than the underclassmen. The only places where we have good, veteran depth for next year is at WR and LB.