2017...
I see where we have offered an OL from TEXAS and he is planning on making it to camp this summer and visit..
Well its about ****ing time .... Need to offer about half a dozen more from there. And try to close a couple..
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2017...
I see where we have offered an OL from TEXAS and he is planning on making it to camp this summer and visit..
Well its about ****ing time .... Need to offer about half a dozen more from there. And try to close a couple..
I'd like to move into the Midwest and northeast with our oline recruitingQuote:
Originally Posted by mic
We have offered about a dozen OL just from Texas and Florida this year including the Little 5 star. Two or three from the DC area. 7 from LA, 4 from GA, several from Alabama, etc.
ETA. That's just by offer glance on 247. You look at each player and check their offers then it's many many more than that.
Now we need to land a fewQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Sure. Have to have interest from the player though. No sense wasting time and money beating our heads against the wall if we are not even getting interest from the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think people have the idea that there is this vast supply of OL in Texas that are really SEC material. With just the tackle position you have maybe 8 players in Texas and about 75 accross the nation that are really SEC material. After that it's really about finding someone really raw you can develop. Heck 95% of them have to be developed but I'm talking about needing 2-3 years in a program or finding an overlooked player. I'm not saying don't go after highly talented guys just recognize the numbers are not as abundant that people think.
If you are trying to pick up a player from the Midwest he is not going to be highly rated. At best we are picking up someone with Iowa State, Purdue, Indiana offered types. The leftovers from what OSU, Michigan State, MI, WI, Penn State, ND, etc. These kids are breed into Big 10 fans like Bama or LSU kids are. If they are looking to get out and have opportunity it's usually because an elite team has come after them. Again, it costs nothing to make some early offers and get a feel for what they think about coming down here. It's just not a strategy that's gone to get you anyone better than what is already in our natural recruiting area. I do think an expansion of our recruiting presence is a good thing and eventually can payoff.
We all know how UMiss got the Little kid ... It's Obviously we aren't going to do that...
And I don't expect us to go outside the state and gobble up 5 or high 4 star guys at will.... But there are never more than 1 top lineman in Mississippi every year. ( and we didn't get them last 2 years ) .. It's Lashley this year..
But any time a big time OL gets a few power 5 offers we close up show and basically shut it the **** down and move on.. That's Being ****in lazy and getting out worked. You never know what may happen ( coaching changes ect.. )
Yeah there is no need to waste time on guys that are basically not coming here, but there are other guys coming up in that school, wouldn't hurt to keeping building that relationship with that Kid, coach, and school... Shit like that really helps in future recruiting.. Looks like we have done that in Alabama...
Take a look at the AP all-Americans..
2 OL from Indiana.. ****ing Indiana..
1 form NC state
1 from Iowa
Houston will start like 4 freshman and sophomores in the peach bowl
And speaking of recruiting the state of Texas.. I think AM has a commit from the 98th ranked player in the state .. He is an OL.. That would probably make him the 3-5th best lineman in Mississippi.
Since we are just hell bent on getting prospect OL , then go outside the box and find a couple of ****ers that might want to play in the sec and not at Indiana or ILL or Houston and take a chance on these guys rather than a Mississippi kid who might have grade issues and not even make it to campus or one that only had offers from UAB , Troy, and USM...
Get a "blue collar" mean ass mother ****er who wants to hit DL in the ****ing mouth.. You would think Hev would love guys like this...
The 3rd team AP All Americans you are listing, the two Indiana OL you site one was a little below a mid 3 star and the other ranked a little lower than him and was a converted TE. The NC State player was a mid 2 star. This site would melt if we recruited a bunch of OL like him. The second team OL Conklin from Michigan State was unranked coming out of HS. Did you notice how every OL on that list, 1st- 3rd team were upperclassman. Not one below a Junior. It goes back to what I said we might can get a player from Indiana or NC State. It still doesn't satisfy the majority who want better OL recruiting (I do as well) and doesn't change the fact that we can and have gotten similarly or higher ranked players as it stands now. Why spend the money or effort of those type of players way off when you can do the same close by. It's a crap shoot with OL for the most part and you are listing very raw types that again had to develop for 2-3 years. Like I said.
Exactly.. They were all kids that we get... Weren't highly ranked..Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
What's the reason Beckwith was an All -American?. He busted his ass.. So we have had 2 AP all Americans the last 6 years. Gabe and Ben and Indiana had 2 this year... Hell forget AllAmericans.. I would settle for a one or 2 on the SEC 2nd or 3rd team..
With all the stops Mullen and his entourage (Hev) made over the last 15 years ( bowling green, Utah, fal) they should have made great contacts with lots of High school coaches in These areas.. Why don't we use this... My guess is they didn't make many good contacts...
The bottom line is our staff gets out worked in recruiting ... PERIOD...
We can OWN this state and that's great... Hell we better.. But in order to take the next step we have to get outside our recruiting comfort zone and get a few guys...
I guess there is a reason that the Alabama strength coach now makes more than anyone on our staff..
Head coach making over 4 million and no one on the staff making over 600k...
And I don't have the rosters in front of me...
But in the last 7 years going on 8 how many 4star or highly rated OL have we gotten to come here.??. Or for that matter how many outside of Dillion Day made an big impact..??
Every other school I bet has picked up one or 2 OL nice OL prospects outside their state but we can't??
before we ape-shit offering OL linemen all over the USA, I would rather for Us do a better job Recruiting at least 2-3 JUCOs Linemen. Rankin will be a force next year. I don't think we recruit JUCO linemen with much fore thought. it is like, Oh shit let's run out and sign a JUCO. I believe we could sign quality JUCOs , but we need to get on them quick and hard. The JUCOs could be a big advantage for US if we would prioritize them better. I would rather have a 6'3" JUCO OL with a mean streak Than a 6'7" *****.
i talked with someone at Noxubee and was asking about Simmons. he said we have a slim chance. he said our Coaches just don't work as hard as other Coaches. How do not work your ass off for a Simmons, right in our backdoor. We don't have a Coach -since Hughes has left, that can talk the talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
I'm not saying we get Jeffery but anybody saying we haven't recruited him as hard as other schools are just talking bc that's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Diaz made $575,000 this year and I think bumps over $600,000 this year. And I think you are missing the point. Most people are not wanting us to go out of state for comparable talent we have here or like the guys at Indiana and NC State you listed. They are wanting to get guys with higher ceilings and higher rated. It's a waste of time and money to try and pull a lowly rated OL from Indiana. We are getting similar ranked or better guys now. Personally I do believe there are overlooked or undervalued OL and it's also an area where guys get over ranked as well. I think if we want to look at taking a next step on OL recruiting we can still get 1 project a year but the rest need to be very solid mid - upper 3 to low 4 star guys with some projectables. The problem is everybody covets those players as well. Even Bama takes a player like that on the OL most years.
They haven't worked with our coaches then or are being fed bad info. Same thing was said recently about AJ and both is a load of bs. Be careful that our opposition is not feeding that narrative (have done so in the past) trying to plant that seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Lord help us if we don't get AJ & Simmons. Lose both & this board might literally self destruct.
But those guys aren't here... We have proven that the last 7 years..Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
We could find some quality OL out of state if we busted our ass..
We don't.. We have proved that the last 7 years with our OL recruiting..
In year 7 you shouldn't have to be converting a SR TE into being your starting LT..
But hey when a guy knows he is never in fear of losing his job, not as much pressure on him to recruit better...
One of the Indiana guys was a converted TE. He just converted right away. But to the point, what are you considering quality OL? You were touting thinking out of the box developmental types earlier. Just you wanted them from out of state. Fine but you can do that here, LA, Bama and GA. Foolish in trying to pick off a developmental guy from Iowa State or Purdue or some such. Waste of time and money going off that far for a project. We developed Beckweth and Day into good OL. That's the type of guys you are talking about with your earlier post. Those guys are not going to be top draft pick types. Which I don't really care about as long as the entire line are low round free agent NFL quality then it can be a very good OL unit even in the SEC. They don't all have to be 1st rounders. So what is "quality" OL in your opinion and you are speculating on the coaches efforts. You have no knowledge on how much or little they bust it. I don't know about many but the ones I do know about personally they recruit as hard as anybody. I know for a fact we lost a player to UNM that we recruited harder than they did and he loved our staff. Per the player. I also know of issues with Hev and one in particular that if it wasn't for Hev we would have never got a player. He is a butt. He can be a liability but (and granted the number is smallish) when he and player connect, he is very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Who are the other OL beside Day that were out of state have we developed that made a huge impact.?. Seinor... ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
The thing I am saying is that our staff gets out worked when it comes to getting OL...
I don't care where we get them ,(Midwest, Mideast, west coast ) we haven't gotten them yet
If it hasn't worked in 7 years recruiting the surrounding states go out and try and get them elsewhere.. We get out worked ...
Clausell was pretty solid for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Look, I know you are close with some folks on the staff but we have heard this narrative over and over so its difficult to sluff it off. Yes, I'm sure our staff works pretty hard but there are a lot of staffs that eat, drink and sleep recruiting (like UNM's staff and others). So yes, our staff works at it, it just appears they don't work as hard at it as some other staffs that they have to compete with. I mean its no secret that Mullen did not come in with a reputation of being a great recruiter and our staff as a whole does not seem to enjoy the whole recruiting process like some others. I mean Mullen was one of the few coaches supporting more dead period time where you didn't have to recruit a while back. Anyway, given all that, its certainly not surprising when we hear we are getting outworked for a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
DayQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Clausell
Senior
There's 3 ... Any more?.
Clausell, Siddoway, Senior, Calhoun has a chance. Again you are still talking about projects that are raw and we hope to develop. Some have some haven't. I think the vast majority in here are not thinking this way. And if all we keep signing is what most think are just prospects, then you and everyone else still will not be satisfied with that type of recruiting. We are not getting out worked on the low rated projects. At all. We could have signed 5 of those the last two years but they are borderline SEC at best. Could one of them develop, sure they could. It's the hardest position to project. But our problem on OL recruiting is not the projects. We are fine there. It's getting the mid to upper 3 star types that are also coveted but everyone else. Give me 3 straight classes of 3 of those types and 1 project per year and you can probably raise our units play another level. And Hev for the most part has done well with what he has. But we are NOT getting out worked for those project types you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
We should NEVER get outworked by anyone ( Bama , LSU, OM) for an instate prospect if we want him and he has interest in us.. Since we don't recruit outside the bordering states that much...Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Excellent point. You would think that we would be spending WAY more time on instate prospects than anyone else since we are so dependent on them. We are much more dependent on them than even the Bears are.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Well you are kind of switching gears to instate now but who says we get out worked in state? And does a player going elsewhere mean we got out worked? That's not true. Now some kids are just not going to come here. No matter how hard you worked. And there are some (and this was a learning deal with Mullen that I applaud wholeheartedly) that have every intention or get persuaded to play recruiting games. Cut them loose and move on. That is the absolutely right call.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
I'm just saying we should never get outworked for a player in this state ... With the lack of nation wide recruiting we do..Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
And I know first hand how we handled an out of state OL that is a big time out of state prospect.. It was embarrassing the lack of effort we but forth.. But other sec schools are on him hard that are out of state.
I'm not going to go into specifics on who he is ..
Exactly..Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
We had / have no shot at Metclaf and Jones or Cooley for that matter.. Which is fine.. Waste zero time on them
So that makes it vital and a must we close Simmons and AJ( Bama is the factor there)
We do that along with the others we get in my opinion we won the state recruiting battle again.. Knott would just be icing on the cake..
Weren't we making a push for Willie Allen? Just saw that we aren't in his Top 4....but guess who IS?
Willie is looking at committing Saturday. It will be LSU & he won't take any other OV except to LSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Usm?**Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
LSU is putting together a heck of a class, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
You still feeling pretty good about AJ & Simmons? Any better or worse about Knott?
Ha maybe them too. Especially with OL...Norman Price would have been our best OL this year, hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Wow we are whiffing on everyone. This board is really going to melt if ole miss lands Simmons. What a disappointing recruiting class after last years when it looked like Mullen was starting to get the hang of it.
You don't have to. I know who you are talking about. ???? About that deal though. But we should just let that go.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
I guess another reason for you to intentionally troll the board with your tRant reb buddies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Still feel the same on all 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Good on AJ
Pretty good on Jeffery
Not great on Nigel but the longer it goes the better I feel
Good dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Lol. Ok. Maybe you are happy with the recruiting class so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Not picking on anyone in particular but I kind of hate how Kobe Jones and lesser degree Lashley is overlooked in this class. It's all AJ and Simmons that so many keep asking about. No doubt I want them as well but those other two are big targets as well. We have several very good recruits that can be very good players for us.
They are important too. We really need all four to salvage the class.