Cohen HAS to go.

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05-10-2015, 07:13 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

How many people on this thread wanted Mullen fired in November 2013? "Smitty" sure did...

The fact that anyone puts any stock in what "smitty" say about any sport, especially baseball, (and that's his bread and butter???) proves people are sports ignorant.
05-10-2015, 07:22 PM
GTHOM

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

thanks for this. was on the fence about wanting him back again, this just pushed me to the fire him side
05-10-2015, 07:26 PM
GTHOM

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Originally Posted by engie

3 of 5 = better team over the last 5 years
2 Supers vs 1 super = better team over last 5 years.
A deeper run in Omaha = better team over last 5 years.
A conference tourney title = better than no conference tourney titles.

It was not at all difficult to understand what Todd was saying. You had to try extremely hard not to.

and this brings me back on the fence
05-10-2015, 07:32 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

Damn, that's a sobering look at it, 7. More fuel for the fire.
05-10-2015, 07:44 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Oh, I agree that a 3 seed and sneaking in is not a turn around...but I doubt Stricklin will agree. I hope it's boom or bust next year so there's no doubt.

I'm scared to death this is exactly what will happen, too. We'll "get in" but nothing has really changed and we'll continue wallowing in mediocre for a few more years.
05-10-2015, 09:43 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

I'm scared to death this is exactly what will happen, too. We'll "get in" but nothing has really changed and we'll continue wallowing in mediocre for a few more years.

It has more to do with our attitude next year for me. This team looked like the Polk team Cohen inherited. Played like the other team should roll over. They did not have that scrappy do what you have to do to win attitude.
05-10-2015, 11:36 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

It has more to do with our attitude next year for me. This team looked like the Polk team Cohen inherited. Played like the other team should roll over. They did not have that scrappy do what you have to do to win attitude.

Seems like our players, and the OM faithful, who left early, thought the game was over after the 8th inning yesterday.
05-11-2015, 10:15 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

How many people on this thread wanted Mullen fired in November 2013? "Smitty" sure did...

At least half. Our fans are idiots with no foresight or long term perspective. Mullen not Cohen are perfect, but they are both intelligent, get-it guys who are good coaches.
10-09-2016, 10:23 AM
msstate7

If anyone wonders why I'm patient with Mullen, it's bc I remember knee jerks like this. I learned my lesson
10-09-2016, 10:39 AM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If anyone wonders why I'm patient with Mullen, it's bc I remember knee jerks like this. I learned my lesson

One real big difference. Don't think there was ever a question of Cohen's loyalty to MSU. There's a big question regarding Mullen's commitment to MSU
10-09-2016, 10:44 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

One real big difference. Don't think there was ever a question of Cohen's loyalty to MSU. There's a big question regarding Mullen's commitment to MSU

How's our loyalty to Mullen looking these days? I'm much more concerned with our poor performance than Mullen's loyalty
10-09-2016, 10:47 AM
Taog Redloh

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How's our loyalty to Mullen looking these days? I'm much more concerned with our poor performance than Mullen's loyalty

Awesomeness msstate7. Lot of people looking like idiots.

As for MetEd's question, you look at these things at the end of years, not in the middle of seasons.
10-09-2016, 10:50 AM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Awesomeness msstate7. Lot of people looking like idiots.

As for MetEd's question, you look at these things at the end of years, not in the middle of seasons.

Well at the end of the season Mullen tried to bolt for Miami. So there's that. Add to the fact that there's a very real possibility this team goes 3-9 or 4-8 and it's pretty odd for us not to evaluate things right dammit now. Not saying fire the man today, but we've got a pretty decent amount of data over the last two years that we can use to show that we have some problems that need to be addressed.
10-09-2016, 10:53 AM
Taog Redloh

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Well at the end of the season Mullen tried to bolt for Miami. So there's that. Add to the fact that there's a very real possibility this team goes 3-9 or 4-8 and it's pretty odd for us not to evaluate things right dammit now. Not saying fire the man today, but we've got a pretty decent amount of data over the last two years that we can use to show that we have some problems that need to be addressed.

Well he is afforded one more year after this unless we totally tank (have to wait til end of year to gauge that). His lack of loyalty last year was well-noted, I am not denying that. But he ultimately stayed, and this year is looking bad. We're not a powerhouse, bad seasons will happen (fact), so he gets another year to correct. He's no doubt on the hot seat in 2017. Pretty cut and dry to me.
10-09-2016, 11:06 AM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Well he is afforded one more year after this unless we totally tank (have to wait til end of year to gauge that). His lack of loyalty last year was well-noted, I am not denying that. But he ultimately stayed, and this year is looking bad. We're not a powerhouse, bad seasons will happen (fact), so he gets another year to correct. He's no doubt on the hot seat in 2017. Pretty cut and dry to me.

So let's say we are 2-4 at this point next year. You fire him mid season?
10-09-2016, 11:15 AM
msstatelp1

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Well he is afforded one more year after this unless we totally tank (have to wait til end of year to gauge that). His lack of loyalty last year was well-noted, I am not denying that. But he ultimately stayed, and this year is looking bad. We're not a powerhouse, bad seasons will happen (fact), so he gets another year to correct. He's no doubt on the hot seat in 2017. Pretty cut and dry to me.

But did he stay because he wanted to or because no one would meet his asking price? His lack of effort indicates the latter .
10-09-2016, 11:20 AM
shoeless joe

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

One real big difference. Don't think there was ever a question of Cohen's loyalty to MSU. There's a big question regarding Mullen's commitment to MSU

This is THE answer.

Also, when reading back thru some of this thread there is one particular individual that comes off looking like a complete idiot...
10-09-2016, 11:28 AM
sleepy dawg

All of our coaches can't be ex-MSU players. They are all going to want to bail at some point.
10-09-2016, 11:41 AM
ScoobaDawg

Don't bump super old threads. Link to it if you need.

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