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The walk rate/control is their biggest hurdle to get a call up. I think Wisler was always considered the closest to being ready and has been slated to come up at some point this year if he stayed on his current course.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, I think Wisler is the most likely to join the rotation eventually. I honestly think Folty is a bullpen guy (though I would love to be wrong on that), and Banuelos is intriguing but I don't think his ceiling is quite as high.
Bc banuelos doesn't have as high a ceiling, he might be the perfect guy to call up. Save team contol over folty, wisler, and Jenkins till we're a better teamQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Could peraza be traded to Yankees?
http://nypost.com/2015/04/16/look-ou...s-2b-prospect/
I think it will take a little longer to know for sure on Banuelos. He is just a little over a year pitching again after TJ so by the middle of the summer we should get a clearer idea of what he is. Before the injury he was looking like a #3 type starter as his ceiling and he had lowered his walk rate at the time. With the exception of the walk rate, all of his numbers right now are similar to right before his injury. Although it's still to early in the season to make a determination. I think the organization still thinks he can be at least a back end of the rotation guy or a very good reliever.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I think with Folty, at age 23 you still work him like you expect him to be a starter by 2017 at least. His upside and swing and miss numbers makes his potential to great. Now you can bring him up for pen duty to get use to MLB but it's too soon to give up on him as a starter. Potentional top of the rotation guy that you can live with a little high walk rate because his K rate compensates for it. Not at the current number obviously.
Good point. It depends partially on when guys are ready. If Wisler is ready by midseason, I'd go ahead and call him up. 2017 is the year everyone's pointing toward, but the organization wants to at least compete next year as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No, thanks. This seems like it is written purely from the Yankees' standpoint. I can't imagine we're actually interested. They would have to give us a ton back.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Braves officials say that this is a complete fabrication.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Wisler doesn't have a high ceiling either. don't let the higher ranking fool you. and he's probably further along in development, so it's probably him come June.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I've got to kind of disagree with you a little. First off being consider a #3 type of starter as your ceiling is a pretty high ceiling. Yes top of the rotation guys have the highest ceilings but the number of pitchers that have become very good #1 & 2's for a long time in the league with just a #3 ceiling is too numerous to count. They both have a very high ceiling. Now in comparing the two, before injury Banuelos was consider a #3 ceing type while Wisler is consider a very solid #3 type or even a low end #2 starter by some. So they were close but now after injury Wisler is definitely considered having the higher upside. He has a plus change and above average fastball and curve with good control. It's just a matter of time for Wisler.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Here's some more minor leaguers' stats...
Jenkins: 1.2 ip 0.00 era 4 h 0 k 2 bb
Peraza: .214 avg .267 obp 0 rbi 1 sb
Davidson: .143 avg .400 obp 1 hr 1 rbi
Mallex smith: .188 avg .300 obp 1 rbi 2 sb
Sims: 6.0 ip 3.00 era 2 h 4 k 2 bb
Ruiz: .222 avg .300 obp 1 rbi
Really wanna see more out of this group. Really like Jenkins, peraza, and Ruiz. We need Davidson to start taking off. We really have no corner OF prospects besides Davidson
Few of our guys in this minor league top performers...
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp..._milb&sid=milb
it's a high ceiling for a typical prospect, not one in AAA that's ready to be called up that's rated in the Top 100. a few rate him a #2, but those have his tools rated much higher than the aggregate. a few have him as barely a #4. the difference will be his ability to retire lefties. his slider/curve doesn't move in a way that is effective against them, and his changeup is not consistent enough yet to use against them. so MLB lefties will be sitting on his fastball. i think you know what happens when that happens. he's not getting minor league lefties out even. but if he can find a pitch to use to keep lefties off his fastball, then he probably projects as a #2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Of course different views are going to rate him higher or lower. But the average is he is a solid #3 guy. That's a pretty high ceiling for any player. And it's higher than Banuelos while he is only age 22. He is the most ready of the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Now I agree he has work to do against lefties. But if he gets the average to his AA number of .261 that is more than adequate for MLB. But he has to get it down from the AAA numbers. Work on that in AAA for half the year, work out of the pen maybe even spot start late this year. Considering his age and the fact he has not had really any bumps moving up at each level I like the possibility of him being at least a good back end guy. If you get him and Floty hitting close to their ceiling, man that has the makings of a really great rotation. Heck if just one of the new guys hit then the rotation is looking really good for a while.
I think Jenkins could be the best of the group eventually
He definitely could, just going to be a while before we know for sure while he goes through the levels. Excited to see him myself this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Win @ Toronto in ninth to go to 7-3. Now 4-0 away. Couldn't ask for a better start.
Really couldn't. A series win this weekend would be impressive for this team. Got wood and miller to get it doneQuote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
The projections on prospect's ceilings are always strange. Unless you're a truly elite guy, like a Trout or a Strasburg, most will give you a ceiling of 'solid regular' or '#3 starter'. None of it really makes sense, especially since what constitutes a #3 starter varies.
How many #1's are there? #2's? Wiser has great potential and can be very, very good if he realizes it. That's all I need to know. Will he strike out 200+? Probably not. Will he go out and put up an ERA around 3 or below consistently in the majors? Nobody can tell me there's no chance of him doing that.
Tough loss yesterday.
Jim Johnson is really struggling against the jays. Hopefully he can rebound against the mets.
Markakis is on fire.
FF is really hitting for power this year. In fact, the Braves are hitting for power. 2nd in NL in hr's
Need miller to start going deeper in games starting today.
Very impressed with the start. Hopefully we can win the series against jays today
Do we have another great SS on the way?
http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/sport...play#gsc.tab=0
Most career wins for pitchers under 25:
1. Teheran 31
2. Shelby miller 27
3. Henderson Alvarez
Mix in wood, fried, banuelos, wisler, Jenkins, folty, and wildcards like winkler and Sanchez... The future is bright guys
Excellent series win. 8-4 (5-1 on road). Big series vs mets starting Tuesday. Really wanna see stults and Cahill step it up a notch
Ok, well the thing is he really doesnt have great potential. He is already pitching very intelligently, already maximizing his tools. Thats the point I've been trying to make, that there's no projection left in him. There's very little room for improvement, where with most prospects there's a ton of room for improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
When a team catches a 3 game series featuring Teheran, wood, and miller it is going to be hard to take 2 of 3 from atl. Hopefully the opposite won't turn out to be true with Cahill and stultz. I personally expect a marked improvement in Cahill this next outing.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
d'arnaud got beaned and broke bone in hand I think.
Blevins (rp) got hit with line drive. Broke forearm
Mets having some bad luck, but playing well
Trade bait or a candidate to move to 2B/3B if he can hit would be my guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
How long is Simmons locked up? This kid is only 18Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Pretty good while, I think. He was one of the guys who got the big extensions from Wren.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
6 more years I think. I'd hold the kid as long as we can to see if Simmons will be around after that. I still think Simmons can be a .300 hitter. If he starts hitting that well with his glove, we might not be able to resign himQuote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
First, this isn't really true. Wisler may have less projection than some other prospects, but he's still considered a high-end arm. There is definitely plenty of room for improvement from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Second, you pretty much won't find anyone in the lower levels of the minors who is projected to have a ceiling of a #1 starter by places like Fangraphs. It's fine to me if someone wants to say that their projection for them is a #3 starter or so (given the chance they won't hit their ceiling), but they consistently give pretty much everyone who isn't a huge prospect at the time of the draft a ceiling of a #3 or #4 starter at best.
Mike Minor was drafted 7th and was said to have the ceiling of a #4 or #5 starter when he was drafted. He has battled injuries, but when he was healthy and initially came up, he was already better than that. So obviously his ceiling was always higher than a 4/5 starter. That's my issue with this stuff.
Fangraphs would have said Greg Maddux had a ceiling of a spot starter because he didn't K 13 per 9 in the minors.
Just to support what I'm saying, Fangraphs currently lists the upside for both Lucas Giolito and Julio Urias (who are the two best pitching prospects in baseball currently) as a 2/3 starter. That's just dumb.
You're crazy if you think Simmons will hit .300. I think he's a .285 absolute tops hitter. Probably more like .275. Hitting has always been his weakness, but he's such a defensive freak you're willing to live with it. If this kid in the minors is legit, he sounds like the kind of player you find a place for whether it's 2B, 3B, or OF. Putting him up the middle at 2B with Simba would be completely ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He may not hit .300, but he will get better. I really believe his avg will steadily rise as he matures and gains better pitch selection. He very rarely swings and misses. Once he figures out that he isn't a slugger, he's gonna steadily increase his avg. He won a batting title in the Carolina league as a minor leaguer.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Albies is a stud, but he's still probably at least 3 years away. By then we'll know what Peraza and Peterson are, so there's a chance Peraza sticks at 2B and you can use Albies as a trade piece to go get something legit. Or Peraza may be able to transition to CF if Peterson hits (though I'm not sure he will).
But with Albies' defense, he will have to play somewhere on the infield, and probably SS or 2B, to get max value for him.
There's one thing I like about this team. And that is that they are scrappy!! It might not last long but they are fighting hard and proving they aren't going to be a pushover team since they've traded everybody and their momma away
Mckirahan popped for PHD...
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman ? 16m 16 minutes ago
A source said McKirahan apologized to his teammates yesterday and informed them he had used a cream during Spring Training. #Braves
The Braves have agreed to a Minor League pact with veteran right-hander Mitchell Boggs, tweets MLB.com?s Mark Bowman. The 31-year-old Boggs didn?t appear in the Majors last season and struggled greatly in 2013, but he was a reliable member of the Cardinals? bullpen prior to that. From 2010-12, Boggs, worked to a 3.08 ERA with 7.1 K/9, 3.1 BB/9 and a 52.3 percent ground-ball rate, averaging 63 appearances and 67 innings per season. Boggs had disastrous results in a 2014 season split between the Triple-A affiliates for the White Sox and Giants, posting an 8.29 ERA with more walks (26) than strikeouts (23) in 51 innings of work.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/0...ague-deal.html
of course there's some room for improvement, we've already covered that he has to improve against lefties. but most prospects don't know how to pitch yet. hell it takes until the 3rd or 4th year in the bigs for most pitchers to figure that out. and Wisler is mostly there already. there's no room for him to grow stronger, and very little for mental growth. you don't find a prospect with less room for projection than that, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
plenty of prospects have a #1 ceiling, or #2:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...reatest-upside
sure, plenty have a #3 tag too, because that has great value.
Mike Minor actually surprised most scouts by adding velocity to his fastball while in the Minors. few college pitchers do that. that massively jumped his ceiling. and as we've seen from his injury history, he has to be 100% to be effective. that's the difference between a high-ceiling guy and a low one.
Maddux is just a ridiculous outlier. Clemens is a better analogy. he had a #1 ceiling, but he had to learn how to pitch to reach it. Wisler could come out of the gate with Clemens numbers, but he'll never reach sub-3 levels. Folty and Fried, while obviously not at Clemens' level, are a lot closer to that analogy than Wisler, who compares better to Mike Minor. He's a lock to be a better than average SP for years, which has value in the tens of millions of dollars, which makes him a top prospect, but he'll never sniff being an ace.
3 years would be typical for an 18yr old in A ball, but the Andruw comparisons make me think shorter. regardless, unless they are down on Peraza for some reason, better to trade an 18 yr old that is blocked early rather than let him play his way out of value. i see him being packaged at the trade deadline with Grilli etc for prospects where we have more of a need (OF!).Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness