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Actually its a pretty interesting story, that tells a lot about the ends and outs of being in the loop recruiting wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But with all your contacts you probably know the story.
"The truth? You don't want to know the ****ing truth!"
It's pretty obvious you have the "scoop" on what happened with pollard and are dying to tell it. Go ahead. What happened? I'm sure someone on here wants to hear the ends and outs of this great player and person. I for one, don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
There is no way all of this back and forth and ends well for the university and athletic teams. Regardless of which side of this you fall on I think it is time to end this. There is no way, if this continues, it has a positive outcome. World class pissing contests between two elements of a fan base involving shady recruiting and how to play the game can only be tantamount to all of us pouring gasoline on an already burning fire.
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Originally Posted by engie
ouch- nice work Engie
I really don't care about Pollard's recruitment. He wasn't a need for us. Hopefully he does well at a lower tier school playing a lower level schedule
it is pretty obvious the only game Ray is playing is "SOLITAIRE". He doesn't have a clue. Meanwhile our Rivals are signing Coaches that hit the ground running. I know the Stansbury haters think that by supporting Ray it hurts RS and makes their AGENDA look better. They are ashamed that their Rant was foolish and don't want to admit they are Idiots when it come to Basketball. Look Stans is gone and Ray was a bigger error than Croom. Just quit making excuses for Ray. The MSU people that I know that have met Rick Ray in behind the scenes meeting have come away shaking their Heads.
I guess the 34 Clan thinks that patting Ray on the Head helps their "Stansbury Is the Devil" rant. As every day passes the Ray Hire looks worse and worse, as we sink lower and lower.
You know I am retired, have been for about 7 or 8 years, but even so, I don't have near the time to waste on a message board or the inclination for that matter.
Which brings me to the question, how the hell does someone like Engie who apparently have all the time in the world to not only park on the boards, but spend the time researching the archivies for quotes, statistics that he does. You on your parents dole, the govt's or independently wealthy and don't have to work or have a very lenient boss?
I know coach gets up early , loads his rubber machines and back home in time for moderating the board and counting his quarters.
The heck are you talking about? I was as big a Stans supporter as there was. Nothing Ray does has any impact on Stans.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I'm not making excuses. He was legitimately handed a terrible situation, and every rational person knew it would take a few years before real progress was seen. Evidently even some of those have forgotten and are now jumping off the bandwagon.
I wasn't a Stan's hater. I thought he was an underachiever with the talent that we had. Which of course he assembled, kudos to him. However, we had no discipline on or off the court and thought his time had run out. As seen by his last team that was unbelievably talented and we couldn't make the tourney. What has caused me to bash him more though is the Stan's fanatics that absolutely refuse admit that he, Stan's, has any fault in the mess that's here now. He has a lot of responsibility in it. I'm not a rick ray lover. But I've put myself in his shoes and would hope that people would give him a fair chance to prove He could do the job considering the shit storm he took over. Rome wasn't built in a day out of a sandcastle. Everyone wants us to win, well most everyone. Some would bask in their own glory to watch us fail while beating their chests, screaming I told you so. I just think the guy deserves a shot. That's all. And 2 years and one recruiting class on the floor doesn't constitute a fair shot in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Same here. tc, you have every right to your stance on Ray and you may very well be correct in the end. But this thing you have about anyone who supports Ray, or just wants to give him a fair chance, doing so out of spite for Stansbury is beyond insane. There MAY be a shred of truth there in one or two cases who were critical of Stansbury while he was our coach, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Tennessee's situation is every bit as bad as MSU when Ray took over. Read the article and you'd agree. Don't give me BS of "they just went to the sweet 16". That was with Counzo and then he took his entire signing class and bolted to Cali and said a bunch of terrible shit about how Tennessee treated him. He left Tennessee in worse shape than what we had left after Stansbury got let go. Tyndall took over a team that had four players and zero signees. And a very bad blackeye from Counzo bitching out and saying he was treated poorly.
Let's just assume they are equal situations. So Tyndall should be canned after 2 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
It'd be 3 years after this year and if Tyndall did the job Ray has done the answer is yes. He's off to a much much much better start though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Agreed Dawg61 but I don't think you will have to worry about that as I believe he will be successful. I hope we return back to the tournament but I am thinking we are staunchly back in the Bob Boyd era which Stricklin is much more to blame in this then Ray could ever be blamed. It really is a big mix of Stans and Stricklin with a sprinkling of Ray thrown in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
My biggest expectation this year is for a recruit that Ray actually committed and signed to look like a legit SEC player. So far he has been relying on guys that were either already signed or on the roster.
In year 3 I expect to see some major contributions from guys that Ray actually committed. I hope like hell it happens. I hate when pretty much every game after January is meaningless.
At least this year we can follow recruiting since we should be getting the bear treatment by the media.
Agreed. And I think we get that. This will be "Ray's first real team" at MSU -- with Zuppardo, Daniels, Ndoye, etc. I thought Ready looked like a pretty capable SEC player at times last year, was just too timid with his shooting and got injured too often...Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
How many times on this board does it read, give Ray a chance. He is getting a chance and nothing you nerds can do or say will shorten or lengthen his stay.
And most of the people on here saying give him a chance and help him , do nothing and want somebody else to step up or blame them for not stepping up.
that's not true. He was coming to State until the McDonald's game. That game changed everything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
Then what do people gain by bitching about it incessantly?Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
And what does it help when 95% of your overall posts are in fierce defense of our former coach that is partially responsible for the position we are currently in? HE IS GONE -- and as of next year -- is no longer in any way responsible for the position the basketball program is in. So, at that point, it will be time for everyone to let it go. It really already is, when discussing the future.
LOL - Elitedawgs Remembers...Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
Engie what do you do for a living ,and did you go to State. I have wonder that to.I am not being funny or mean either just wondering. Like smoot did not even go to State but he loves the Dawgs anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
silence is deafening. Truth of the matter is probably Engie and Coach are the same person. If not, they have the same agenda. I love they way they post things that are not true. I have never once said Stans cheated in anything and if he did, he sure wasn't implicated by the NCAA. That speaks for itself. I find this comical that the same people who say some of us long time supporters of the program have quit supporting basketball when for over 10 years coach went on diatribe of insults and statistics to belittle Rick Stansbury. Why don't you do a little research on those Engie? The facts are that you got what you politicked for a decade and it has been a huge failure and now it is a whole different criteria of judging the coaching and program. Meanwhile the stands are empty and it is easier to blame folks who can see what is happening and regardless of how bad you folks thought Stansbury was, he did have MSU compete and people felt like we always had a chance to win. I haven't seen that yet in 3 years and for you so-called stat experts, the SEC has been far more atrocious at the bottom the last three years and we still can't get to.500. It has been debated enough, but Engie, we are waiting for your answers to the question posed by Goat.
CDL, i was a fan of stans but it was time for a change or for him to at least change several things.
That said, knowing now what i do, i take him back in a heartbeat. Id rather sweat making the dance with a bunch of primma donnas than to watch us fight to win 12 games in front of dozens of people.
I was not a Stans supporter and I am trying to give Ray a fair shot. He gets this year and next to make the NCAAT once or he needs to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
IMO, Stricklin made a bad hire and was in way over his head. If we fire Ray, I have no confidence in our current AD to make a better hire than he did with Ray.
I said 34's Clan-is that You or Smoot? I agree Ray should stand alone-nothing to do with Stansbury. Hell, i was critical of RS. But I didn't want Him fired. I wanted some changes, but He should have had one more year. That would have given Him a chance and Strick a chance to figure out Who our next coach could Be. What we have now is several levels below the dreaded "Dumpster Fire".Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
And Smoot you probably think Saban is an underachiever because He has lost two games in a Row. At Miss. State to have a chance to win every game you play is not under achieving. And I never watched a Stans' Team that I didn't think we Had a chance to win.
If we fire Ray I want Stricklin to immediately go on a 3 month vacation in the Dominican Republic or Venezuela and set up a baseball recruiting base. And never touch the phone or internet during his trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
All I known is that everyone that said they would rather watch disciplined basketball, played the right way by guys that actually tried their best to win as opposed to a bunch of talented players not giving it their all was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I went to a game last season and it was sad. You know what is worse than hate for your basketball program? Apathy. Everyone that said they just wanted to see guys play the 'right way' and were tired of attitude problems and team cancers. Well the attendance simply doesn't bare that out.
People want a winner. At the end of the day - they simply want to watch their favorite team win basketball games. Love him or hate him, Stans did that more often than not. Sure he underachieved several years. That isn't really debateable. The problem is what would you rather watch?
Team A: A talented bunch that should win 26 games that instead wins 21 games and misses the tourney;
Team B: A not talented bunch that would be hard pressed to win 10 games, actually win 14.
Its easy to say Team B, the problem is that last season simply didn't prove that.
What
I have no interest in getting back into a debate over whether or not it was time for Stans to go. My point is that in no way am I a 'Stans hater' who is still looking for reasons to justify his firing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I believed it was time for him to go, others didn't, fine. But Ray is the coach now, and what he does has nothing to do with Stans anymore. I am not supporting him as a way of sticking to an anti-Stans agenda. I am supporting him because he is the Mississippi State head coach, and I believe he can still get it done and that he hasn't had enough time for us to discover whether his plan will ultimately work or not.
The fact that there are a lot of so-called State fans who believe supporting the current coach is only in an effort to denigrate the former one is ridiculous. He is the State coach; I would think most fans would support him for that simple fact alone.
Good post Fish. This is how I feel. Hopefully Ray has a good year this year because if he doesn't it may very well unite the fan base but in a very negative way against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Yes, I went to State for mechanical engineering and a minor in math -- That's all I'm saying -- as this board handle and some of the hints I've given about my past is already enough to figure out who I am. Coach and several others here already know me. I'm not trying to have message board life and the real world run together in the way that a number of people here have -- and I'm not worrying about "concerned citizens" calling employers, etc when I get the urge to needle Rebels or even other Bulldogs online. I'm excessively ADD -- and tend to hyperfocus and go overboard on tasks. As such, I create alot of dead time at work by knocking tasks out quickly. Enough free time that I run two small businesses myself on the side. I'm sure no one would have guessed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat from MSU
If you are good at this message board debate thing -- and if you are efficient at surrounding your opinion with numbers and facts in a way that people constantly stoop to insulting you instead of even actually attempting to debate you -- you must be a loser with no life. Yep -- got me...
Still waiting on you to show me what my "agenda" is. Your deflection is weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by coastdoglover
Yet you've openly talked about Stans' system, what players cost, etc for YEARS now. Hilarious.Quote:
I love they way they post things that are not true. I have never once said Stans cheated in anything and if he did, he sure wasn't implicated by the NCAA. That speaks for itself.
What does coach's position have to do with me? Or the fact that a bunch of you aren't supporting the basketball team now -- and have become what you just 5 years ago professed to hate on SPS? Fact is, you can't find much from me until it was OBVIOUS that Stansbury had lost control the last year or two.Quote:
I find this comical that the same people who say some of us long time supporters of the program have quit supporting basketball when for over 10 years coach went on diatribe of insults and statistics to belittle Rick Stansbury. Why don't you do a little research on those Engie?
I didn't politic for anything. I was ready for Stans to go and I'm glad he did. Too bad he dug us a tremendous hole and left us with nothing. I haven't "changed my criteria for judging the program" and no one else has either. I'm just giving the new guy a fair chance to dig himself out of the hellhole your boy left him in. That starts this year -- and if we aren't an NIT+ team(that brings back everything next year), I'm going to be jumping off the bandwagon with everyone else.Quote:
The facts are that you got what you politicked for a decade and it has been a huge failure and now it is a whole different criteria of judging the coaching and program.
How many damn times do I have to spell this out for you before you understand it? But, NO, it's just engie pushing coach's evil Stans' agenda. That must be it**
So, you are admitting that it was empty the last year under Stansbury too?Quote:
Meanwhile the stands are empty and it is easier to blame folks who can see what is happening and regardless of how bad you folks thought Stansbury was, he did have MSU compete and people felt like we always had a chance to win. I haven't seen that yet in 3 years and for you so-called stat experts, the SEC has been far more atrocious at the bottom the last three years and we still can't get to.500. It has been debated enough, but Engie, we are waiting for your answers to the question posed by Goat.
I'm yet to see you show me how this is actually any different than you blue-hairs being up in arms about Cohen and not Raffo....
CoastGeezer has already showed his hand in this thread- nothing more to add to him. And then Engie busting his balls was hilarious.
I seriously doubt that any game under Stansbury had less butts in the seats than Ray's best game. But I haven't finished all my tasks in lightening like speed to be able to go back and check attendance, but I feel that Engie can.
And Coach you can say it, but Engie busting CDL balls is simply not true, just like a lot of your posts.
You may be a lot of things, but being truthful is not your strong suit when it comes to basketball and your agenda.
"not having an agenda" being the biggest one lie of all.
While at it, exactly what have you an Engie done to support Ray? Other than being message board gurus.
Like I said I was asking not to be funny .Now I know why you use facts and stats so much it is your background. I went to State for Poultry Sc. and minor in history . But now live out of state but owned a house in Starkville . I have a daughter who is interested in your field of study ,I rather her go to State than Cornell. I may have questions in future for you on that .Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Do you actually have a degree? have you actually ever attended a basketball Game. Have you ever done anything for MSU besides post obscure stats on a Message board. Glad to hear how lightin quick and efficient you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Is the hole Stansbury left bigger than the one Pearl stepped into? I wonder how he's doing building a roster and signing players since he isn't even allowed to recruit players himself yet? Let's look.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...uiting_cl.html
I'm shocked. I figured this thread would have been locked by early this morning.
Tell your daughter to do chemical, more money and mechanical ****ing blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat from MSU
Oh it was true alright. Everybody can see it. Just because you dont like the retort doesnt mean it isnt true. It's in plain black and white.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg