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Bout time for Collins to put one in the gap and put them out of their misery...
What makes it worse like we saw in 2012 is that playing Cohenball with bad hitters is actually WORSE than doing it with better hitters. Cohenball is bad but is made worse with a lesser lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Thats the thing the "we don't have power so we have to play small ball" crowd doesn't get. The shit is bad baseball always, even more costly with lesser hitters because you are costing your team puts without having the bats to make up for the negative percentages.
NVM...another sac bunt...
Let's see if it works out this time...
Wow. That was not pretty, but it was a win.
Let's put that one in the rearview mirror and play better this weekend.
Walk off by Hendu. Good guys win an ugly one!
That a baby Henderson!!!!
Glad we can put this one behind us. 3-2 Dawgs.
Bring on the Hawgs....
nice. thx guys.
See your wrong****Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
The ugliest MSU win I've seen in a LONG time. But still better than a loss for sure.
Ugly? Yes.. But a win and tonight was not a good night for ranked teams.
Just Win Baby in the Midweek
I'll take it for sure... That could have been brutal to an RPI game we're already playing catch up on...
Need some big wins on the road.
Yep. #2, #3, #7,#12, #13, #22 all lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
Could potentially end up being a top 100 win too if a couple of things go their way...
SEMO is currently leading their conference. This will probably be a top 100 win for us and a win over an NCAA Tournament team.
There's nothing to scoff at about this win now that it's over.
Not pretty- but I'll take it. The base running gets an F tonight. Hopefully that's an aberration because we've been pretty good for the most part all year up until tonight.
It sounds like Woodruff is getting better- but still not quite there yet. I think he had 38 pitches and threw 20 for strikes. That has to get better.
We pitched well other than Gentry and played good defense- and that's our recipe for success with what we have.
Our "lesser hitters" are also pretty fast for a team. We have to take advantage of that. Telling "lesser hitters" to go out and string three hits in a row to get a run is not "maximizing" our talent. It certainly works better when we run the bases well- and we didn't do that tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
You can point to tonight's game which we won anyway. I'll point to the game we won where we beat Tyler Beede.
The only negative pitching-wise was the walks- I think we had 7-8, and most of those came from our non-freshmen. That absolutely cannot continue if we want to be successful. With our defense, we need to force teams to put it in play. Gentry has to be better.
Defense was solid outside of Gentry's poor pickoff throw- again, he has to be better.
Offensive execution and base running were a train wreck, and I'll just leave it at that. No excuse for the 8th inning.
I picked a good night not to be able to watch. Glad I spared my eyes but got to see that we picked up the W
I agree on all points. I'm just glad we got through and came out with a win. This was a trap game for us- and Jacksonville State will be one later in the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero
My thing is just -- is "sacrificing" helping anything with those base runners? We should be 2 singles away from scoring them from first. I'd bet that statistically, it's a better play to hit and run or to straight steal these guys from first -- rather than taking the bat out of another(likely tremendous baserunner) with the sac. Which still takes a hit to score from second. And we strike out/pop up a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
When I have the energy, I'm going to run through the exact numbers, because I'm curious to know...
Exactly. Sacrificing is not forcing pressure or playing aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Why Todd exactly do we have to go against the percentages just because we have fast runners. It's still the wrong play.
As an aside, another bonus to playing the 4-game weekends early on is that it gets those non-conference games over with early and allows us to focus almost exclusively on the SEC schedule down the stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This leads to fewer trap games for us and more scouting/prep focus on the good teams when it matters most, while our opponents have to split some of their time between us and another team. I'd say this is just one more of those little things that help us get hot at the end, IMO.
It's a 76% chance we are safe when we steal. And that's overall -- not just second -- and I recall us getting hosed at 3rd alot more than second. I'd think it's better than 80% on straight steals at second.
It's a 49% chance we score that guy from 1st with 0 outs.
It's a 47% chance we score him from 2nd with 1 out.
It's a 70% chance we score him from 2nd with 0 outs.
The math gets too complex for where my mind is at right now -- but it seems that it's a better play to straight steal there for us...
I didn't understand why we tried to sacrifice Randolph with Armstrong on first for sure. With Armstrong you gotta straight steal. With a slower runner, I understand the SAC there.
I don't care what the "numbers" say. It's easier to get 1 hit with 1 out, than it is to get 2 hits with 0 outs. Especially with the new bats, the fewer number of hits needed to score, the better. Now if you start stealing second more, the bunting is unnecessary. But bunting over to second eliminates the DP, too. Obviously, if you are looking for a big inning, you don't ever give up outs. However, our team is not a big inning team.
The statistics across college baseball say this is incorrect. 49% chance of scoring one run from first with no outs. 47% chance of scoring one run from second with 1. TQuote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
And it doesn't take 2 "hits" with no outs. It takes 2 quality at bats including one hit.
We gain NOTHING by bunting that guy over statistically. We just shorten the game by giving ourselves less opportunities.
That said, I don't have much problem with the efforts in the 8th and 9th... The ones in the 2nd and 7th are what pissed me off...
I'll give you that. I don't know why I had in mind they had to be base hits. However, every situation is different, and I feel that some instances the bunt is better whereas some instances are not. There is no cookie cutter approach, so to view it as such as Will James does is short-sighted.
agreed Eng- any bunt before the 8th is a waste and is giving away an out. Dont do it unless it's your 9-hole guy who has really struggled or some shit.
Short-sighted - "short si-ted" - the thinking aligned with those who believe that the only way to move runners is on a hit and that the only type of hit is a single.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
I'm not whole-heartedly against bunting. Just some situations. And I align mostly with Coach on that one. I f'n love drag and push bunting in certain circumstances at any point in a game as well. Love doing it fresh off a double or homer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
I just don't like "giving up" outs early in games with sacrifices -- and hate playing for a single run in the 2nd inning like we did tonight -- in a situation where the run would have scored anyway -- and we'd have had a chance to score more runs without that sacrifice...
I deserved that. So I won't rebutt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
In a game like tonight I agree with you. We shouldn't have to do that in midweek non-con games. However, I have no problem with it against stud pitchers like Vandy. And you saw how bunts really bothered Beede Friday night. In a game where runs are expected to be at a premium, I have no problem trying to scratch one out early, because taking an early lead can be huge. I'm not bunting my 1-6 hitters that early, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I wasn't talking about sacrificing. I was talking about stealing bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Telling our guys to play station to station with singles hitters is not a good idea. We have to steal bases and hit and run to maximize our offense. Bunting is part of that- but more as a tool to get on base rather than straight up sacrificing. Now- no doubt we did sacrifice some tonight, no question about that. But we are bunting for a hit a good bit of the time- I'm not sure of the exact percentage.
But I was talking more about getting to second via the steal rather than sac bunting. Having a runner on second and no one out is better than a runner on first and no one out and doing nothing.
I've seen plenty of people complaining about "why did we try to steal there"? And that was more of what I was targeting.
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Originally Posted by Will James
When we steal, we are successful 76% of the time- and that includes tonight's Tom Emanski's nightmare. They say that if you are stealing at a 65% clip, you are creating runs for yourself. Our team currently has about a 27% chance of getting a hit. We have about a 38% chance of even getting on base at all. Of our 227 hits, only 42 have gone for extra bases.
Explain to me how that is going against the percentages?
I believe I saw you complaining about some of the times we have tried to steal, hence why I responded to you. At the very least I read your criticism of "Cohenball" as complaining about the times we have tried to run that didn't work out included in that as well.
Amen-I am with You on this. I hate giving away outs. If I am on defense I always hope the offense bunts the runner over and gives away an out. Armstong-maybe our fastest guy-let him stealQuote:
Originally Posted by engie