Question for the Rick Ray fans

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Originally Posted by mic

I can answer the last part for ya. No we have the same strength coach. I know him. he has said that its like night and day now with RR than with Stands. Guys are actually held accountable for working out and doing what they are told. The reason Balis was such a good strength coach is that Mullen gave him full say so over the program. What Bails said the kids did.. no if's and's or but's from them or the coaching staff..
Also our strength coach actually tried to find work elsewhere back when Stands was the coach.
Do you not think FT has gotten bigger and stronger from his frosh year to this year.?? yes he has

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This is a pretty good example of the constant dragging of Stans' name through the mud. I too completely support Rick Ray and the MSU basketball team. I have never and will never find myself pulling against my team. But it's hard to have bullshit smeared on you and not react. So if you want more support for OUR team, stop blaming the winningest coach in MSU history for every little thing.
For example, this strength program is a good example. Everybody who's had a job knows that it's easy to set up a system of accountability. The challenge is sticking with it through thick and thin. We'll see how Coach Ray does with that; I am pulling for him.

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

This is a pretty good example of the constant dragging of Stans' name through the mud. I too completely support Rick Ray and the MSU basketball team. I have never and will never find myself pulling against my team. But it's hard to have bullshit smeared on you and not react. So if you want more support for OUR team, stop blaming the winningest coach in MSU history for every little thing.
For example, this strength program is a good example. Everybody who's had a job knows that it's easy to set up a system of accountability. The challenge is sticking with it through thick and thin. We'll see how Coach Ray does with that; I am pulling for him.

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Im not just saying stuff.. That is exactly what our strength coach said.. believe it if you want too.

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Originally Posted by mic

Im not just saying stuff.. That is exactly what our strength coach said.. believe it if you want too.

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What the hell is he spreading rumors to you for? Is he your lover or something? Regardless, SS may need to look into this kind of bullshit. Also, I did not question that he said it; I just said that it is less significant that you are implying that it is.

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

What the hell is he spreading rumors to you for? Is he your lover or something? Regardless, SS may need to look into this kind of bullshit. Also, I did not question that he said it; I just said that it is less significant that you are implying that it is.

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It's not bullshit. It's widely known. I know the strength coach as well.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's not bullshit. It's widely known. I know the strength coach as well.

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I'm not questioning that he said or says this. I'm saying that I feel he shouldn't be casually denigrating public figures in the MSU family. I also said that the true test of this and other issues is down the road because, as Paul Thorn sings, "Everybody looks good at the starting line."

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

What the hell is he spreading rumors to you for? Is he your lover or something? Regardless, SS may need to look into this kind of bullshit. Also, I did not question that he said it; I just said that it is less significant that you are implying that it is.

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Is he my lover.??? see its stupid shit like this that makes some of fans the stupidest around.. Someone asked a question about the strength and conditioning coach for basketball. I posted what he said. And yeah a few years ago I know for a fact he inquired about a job elsewhere and to be even more specific it was with Univ. of Utah..
so next you try and be 'cute' and or 'funny" know what the F your talking about..

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Originally Posted by mic

Is he my lover.??? see its stupid shit like this that makes some of fans the stupidest around.. Someone asked a question about the strength and conditioning coach for basketball. I posted what he said. And yeah a few years ago I know for a fact he inquired about a job elsewhere and to be even more specific it was with Univ. of Utah..
so next you try and be 'cute' and or 'funny" know what the F your talking about..

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I apologize for my inappropriate question. But I think this coach needs to grow up some if he thinks it's okay to go around bitching about his bosses who are public figures.

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

I apologize for my inappropriate question. But I think this coach needs to grow up some if he thinks it's okay to go around bitching about his bosses who are public figures.

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He inquired about another job few years back.. Im sure a lot of coaches inquire about other jobs.
He just stated that he liked RR better than he did Stands.. Not my words but his..

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Originally Posted by mic

he is the lowest paid coach in the SEC..

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OK. Thanks for the tidbit. Now back to my statement.

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Originally Posted by mic

Is he my lover.??? see its stupid shit like this that makes some of fans the stupidest around.. Someone asked a question about the strength and conditioning coach for basketball. I posted what he said. And yeah a few years ago I know for a fact he inquired about a job elsewhere and to be even more specific it was with Univ. of Utah..
so next you try and be 'cute' and or 'funny" know what the F your talking about..

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I knew durn well who the strength coach was, was just making a point. He and his wife both wanted to go, he had his retirement and was looking to relocate. He sure adds a lot to the bench now..

Yes he does

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes he does

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Ray wanting an entourage? Doesn't seem to travel with any boosters as other coaches usually do.

Why would boosters need to travel?

I bet you're pumped about Thursday though....ya'll been helping him practice interviewing?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I bet you're pumped about Thursday though....ya'll been helping him practice interviewing?

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Bet that was a shocking read...

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Same tired old arguments, how many times has "fighting in the stands" been brought up in the past year. Two guys fighting is not that unusual, just getting caught on tv was extremely unlucky for our school, but to have that as Rick Stansbury's legacy is criminal.

Rick has a choice and took retirement. But we would have all been better off if he had stayed one more year, the tumor was gone, he would have retained a couple of more recruits and probably kept Hood, Then if the ship was not righted, we would have been in a much better position to hire a coach with more experience,.

It might not matter to you young guys , but we (and in fairness to him and to ourselves we have to)give Ray two more years and the program has not progressed, are we faced with another four years of building the program then another and another and so on.

Happy? How could anybody be with this situation, other than the ones that have a Rick Stansbury vendetta. And Coach34 your cute name for him may be funny to you as you keep insisting, but I assure you its not to a great majority.

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Outside of the Pacers at the Palace in Auburn Hills.. I have never seen a fight like that in college or pro basketball. And I have NEVER witnessed team mates fighting like that while watching a game. So yes '2 guys fighting like that in that situation is VERY UNCOMMON. If Coach Stands "could" have gotten rid of the cancer after the fight he MAY have kept his job. But he couldn't cut ties with Sid. Too much invested in him. Sid held the program hostage..
And if in four years we do have to replace RR and I will be the first to say if we aren't then he probably has to go, but the next coach wont have near the fire dumpster that was left. and it wont even be close...
RR is going to fail here because of 2 reasons..
1.) is on him. If he cant recruit and get the guys here.
2.) is on the alumni and big boys that will make it impossible for him to succeed because of lack of support or whatever agenda they may have against him.

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Originally Posted by mic

Bet that was a shocking read...

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They like to think they know more than I do- I like to remind them they dont

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Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg

If he is supposedly such a great teacher of the game and developer of talent, why is our shooting percentage this year sooo bad? Why has Gavin Ware and Fred Thomas' play gotten worse?

Honestly the only 2 players on our team who have improved are Sword (who still can't shoot a lick) and Bloodman (hardest playing kid on our team gets the most out of what he has).

I have been giving Ray a chance but after last night there isn't much to say. We could very likely have a 12 game losing streak going into the South Carolina home game the last sat of the regular season.

Im not saying he needs to go, just wondering when and how we will ever turn the corner, especially since we dont have any top 4 star type recruits coming in next year.

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Pretty obvious we are no longer paying players like we did under Stan's which actually points out just how incompetent and dissapointing Stan's reign became the last 4-5 years when he was given free reign to buy "the best" yet he lands for example "Physco Sidney", no defense "Stick" Johnson, Should have been walk on's Stewart and Benock, and does NOTHING to develop or win with actual talents who gave a damn like Bost, Moultrie, and Varnado!!!!! He actually ran off Phil Turner for I guess Stewart and lost future Big East Player of the Year and 1st team All American Ben Hansbrough to transfer AND THOUGHT ROMERO OSBY COULD NOT PLAY D1 BASKETBALL!!!!!!! What an idiot!!! Had he gone mad?????

Butt Cut Cunningham and Gutless Grant did little to nothing to help him while he was in the midst of his freefall but the mere fact that Rick thought he walked on water and would only be surrounded by yes men despite his horrendous NCAA track Record and obvious underachieving despite throwing money at recruits like it grew on trees underscored his obvious loss of recognizing his own reality in terms of basketball success or better yet failure.

Pretty Much, Stan's was a victim of his shocking 2000 to 2007 success, from Kentucky hillbilly bagman to reigning SEC tourney champs and a viable yearly threat to Kentucky and Florida from 2000 to 2007. Once a man of the people who openly embraced the common folk of MSU and would often drive to Jackson a couple of nights a week solely to meet with small pockets of MSU basketball fans to encourage season ticket buying, attendance, and "donations", but those visits all came to a screeching halt after he grabbed his 2nd consecutive NCAA tourney bid in 2002 or 2003, I forget, and then everything changed, not only his program, but also Rick himself.

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Originally Posted by biggun

Pretty obvious we are no longer paying players like we did under Stan's which actually points out just how incompetent and dissapointing Stan's reign became the last 4-5 years when he was given free reign to buy "the best" yet he lands for example "Physco Sidney", no defense "Stick" Johnson, Should have been walk on's Stewart and Benock, and does NOTHING to develop or win with actual talents who gave a damn like Bost, Moultrie, and Varnado!!!!! He actually ran off Phil Turner for I guess Stewart and lost future Big East Player of the Year and 1st team All American Ben Hansbrough to transfer AND THOUGHT ROMERO OSBY COULD NOT PLAY D1 BASKETBALL!!!!!!! What an idiot!!! Had he gone mad?????

Butt Cut Cunningham and Gutless Grant did little to nothing to help him while he was in the midst of his freefall but the mere fact that Rick thought he walked on water and would only be surrounded by yes men despite his horrendous NCAA track Record and obvious underachieving despite throwing money at recruits like it grew on trees underscored his obvious loss of recognizing his own reality in terms of basketball success or better yet failure.

Pretty Much, Stan's was a victim of his shocking 2000 to 2007 success, from Kentucky hillbilly bagman to reigning SEC tourney champs and a viable yearly threat to Kentucky and Florida from 2000 to 2007. Once a man of the people who openly embraced the common folk of MSU and would often drive to Jackson a couple of nights a week solely to meet with small pockets of MSU basketball fans to encourage season ticket buying, attendance, and "donations", but those visits all came to a screeching halt after he grabbed his 2nd consecutive NCAA tourney bid in 2002 or 2003, I forget, and then everything changed, not only his program, but also Rick himself.

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I loosely count 27 personal insults at Rick Stansbury in this post. Somebody buy this boy a Happy Meal.

We can do all this message board bitching we want to... Ray is going to get year three for sure as he should.... He will probably almost certainly get year four too because when he adds five more players to the then experienced nucleus we will improve next year... Book it.... So let's support him and our guys... If in two years we are still sucking he will have no excuses and the bitching will be warranted... I would bet alot of money he will have us in the NIT next year... My question is on his ceiling and whether or not he can make us a sweet sixteenish team... That comes down to recruiting

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I bet you're pumped about Thursday though....ya'll been helping him practice interviewing?

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What happens Thursday? Stans interviewing at Auburn?

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Originally Posted by thedawg

We can do all this message board bitching we want to... Ray is going to get year three for sure as he should.... He will probably almost certainly get year four too because when he adds five more players to the then experienced nucleus we will improve next year... Book it.... So let's support him and our guys... If in two years we are still sucking he will have no excuses and the bitching will be warranted... I would bet alot of money he will have us in the NIT next year... My question is on his ceiling and whether or not he can make us a sweet sixteenish team... That comes down to recruiting

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THANK YOU..... See this guy gets .. Support MSU basketball..

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Originally Posted by thedawg

We can do all this message board bitching we want to... Ray is going to get year three for sure as he should.... He will probably almost certainly get year four too because when he adds five more players to the then experienced nucleus we will improve next year... Book it.... So let's support him and our guys... If in two years we are still sucking he will have no excuses and the bitching will be warranted... I would bet alot of money he will have us in the NIT next year... My question is on his ceiling and whether or not he can make us a sweet sixteenish team... That comes down to recruiting

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Great post. Jam-packed quick read.