Absolutely. Right now Seaton is the biggest portal prospect in the country. And every time he is mentioned Mississippi State is mentioned too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
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Absolutely. Right now Seaton is the biggest portal prospect in the country. And every time he is mentioned Mississippi State is mentioned too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I don't buy into this "perception" crap meaning anything just because a guy visits us. It might have meant something in the pre-NIL/portal days, but I don't believe it matters one bit now. You either sign the big fish, or you don't, and then you win or don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
^This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Don?t downplay the perception angle. When it won?t matter is if we never take the next step and start signing some of the better players. The next step is to win some games next season and then sign a couple top players.
Give olemiss credit; they play every angle and are doing well. When they first brought lane in, they signed all offense and neglected the defense but they knew if you were going to lose it was better to lose 42-35 than 10-7. It created excitement among the fans about having an exciting offense. Offense is flashy and gets a lot more attention than a great defense. We have an exciting offense if we can just get a competent OL.
The perception and hype element is the difference in Olemiss and MSU. Most of what Olemiss does and MSU won't touch it. It is fake but that is why OM stays ahead of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Winning perception is half the battle which I think is stupid. I see it in my work/career all the time. The narrative wins not the truth.
It's more than just fan and media hype. It's also about recruiting players. If you build the perception that other elite players are interested in you every now and then you'll land a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
These players don't want to go somewhere that it is lunch pail and hard work. They want clicks and likes. Now some of our fans may say "I don't want to be like that" or "I don't want MSU to be like that" or "if it doesn't work we're going to be embarrassed" but the reality is this is what we need to do to win and get to where we want to go.
It's like that guy who pulls up to the club in a Lambo and gets out with top tier clothes and high dollar watch on their wrist. You wanna know what that guy does for a living and tell all your friends around you "check out that guy."
Little do you know the Lambo is rented and the watch is a fake. But he got everyone's attention.
This. Right. Here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We all talk about how OM wins the PR/perception game and how we should be doing more and how we suck at it. Blah blah blah. But now we try to participate and it gets dumped on. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Edit: apologies for singling you out because it’s your opinion. I just think we need to do everything under the sun in recruiting to attract players, whether its reality or perception.
Remember the old adage. Perception is reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Or as my om friend famously said....."Image is EVERYTHING.."Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
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Originally Posted by State82
Exactly! Drone and light and laser shows only go so far. Winning sells like nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1eyedog
MSU has sold everything except for the players on the field most of the time. If we can sell that we are adding really good players and have the ability to add them and win it takes care of everything else.
Our fans don't understand this. They also don't understand how ole miss is recognized nationally as a much bigger program than ours. It's all perception. But you're wasting your time trying to get the older fanbase to understand this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
OM branded themselves as a respectable program long before they became one.
Perception is 100% important, and it's something we've historically been pretty bad at.
I don't think old has anything to do with it. Many would say I'm old and while the perception thing is not real, it matters a lot. OM always been better than us, we need to start leveraging everything we can.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
We let the 40/41 NC get away from us; OM would have never let that happen - rest is history.
There is nothing stopping MSU from claiming those. I believe Syracuse and Minnesota claim NC's one of the years that Ole Miss claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
MSU fans are overly conservative when it comes to football in every way, shape, or form.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I have never understood why we don?t silently hang a banner. It would be cringe to make a big stink of it but we are not helping ourselves by not claiming it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Honestly because we all know there will be a vocal segment of our fans that complain about it and how they are embarrassed about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
See the Erick Dampier and Jeff Malone announcement that some MSU are complaining about because it wasn't "big enough" of an announcement. Which to me the only thing that is weird is that they are officially doing it in 2027 but that's fine.
Those same fans will celebrate the Snow Bowl though.
Well actually they are. They spend $20MM more on football than we do and that doesnt include NIL which they spend more there also. They make alot more in football than we do. We are close 20 years ago but they have left us behind the last decade for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
2024- they spent 57MM on football- we spent around 37MM
Got to stop comparing ourselves to them. They have left us behind for now
I don't know why our fans got upset about the way they did the announcement. It was a special moment that deserves celebration but as usual something negative is made of something positive. This just isn't our fans tho. It's the way the world seems to be nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
For example, just look at this board when we win. It's 7-10 pages. If we lose, its 25+ pages. People love to run with the negativity. I don't get it.
This. I do believe it's a small but vocal contingent, then you have the baseball crowd (lol), then you have a small contingentnt that sees the importance of PR and pushing the program into the 21st Century...and the rest don't care. They just show up for a hot dog and overpriced beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That is mostly in the moment frustration though. Sure, some are always negative but there is a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
A lot of the football opinions and perception are MSU's administration's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
It seemed like in the past we were so worried about the NCAA putting us on probation that MSU literally chose to not focus on recruiting because we couldn't handle recruiting conventionally in football. So, MSU basically promoted short cuts- JUCO players and recruiting, Dan and his development model, Mike Leach being a coaching wizard...and all those things worked for the most part- the JUCO's have always been hit or miss. But none of it was ever really sustainable.
I actually think NIL and the portal are good things for MSU. But MSU has to believe that those are good things for MSU. Indiana has a worse football history than MSU. They're probably going to win a NC. Ole Miss is relatively similar to us. If Lane Kiffin was our coach would he have won at a similar clip? Probably so. And the only reason I think he might not have is because our schedule would have been more difficult. Texas Tech? They had to rely on Leach's wizardry at one time just like MSU. And sure, they have a billionaire but they're still in the same recruiting territory as Texas and A&M. In one offseason we have completely rebuilt our secondary and most of our DL, and our OL. And at the same time we retained all of our key players.
I?ve always made fun of those guys?..craves attention, little dick, about as manly as a clitoris, and the last person you would want to go to war with in this world! It?s all about perception, and perception can be as much an enemy as it can be an asset. I prefer a real man?s approach?..don?t ever be a ***** regardless of the circumstances!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
Seaton canceled his dinner with LSU tonight. He is headed to Oregon.
tomorrow is supposedly the last day to register for classes at LSU this semesterQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
I blame our tightwad "leaders" who have hired eight assistant coaches to be "on-the-job training" HC in my lifetime, and only Tyler and Mullen were successful. Heck, Shira had one of the worst coaching records in MSU history, and we promoted him to AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
They'd figure out a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The registration deadlines are flexible.
You can get in most places by February.
Tutors in athletic-only study centers all over college campuses are probably already doing classwork for him and other players in case they $ign with their school.*** Heck, "student athletes" like Beck at Miami should have work done on a PHD after his seven year college career!****Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
And named a building after him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Hilarious that Beck admitted in an interview that he hasn't gone to class since he graduated at UGA. He backtracked but everyone knows he doesn't go to school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Let's just admit the truth, schools normally required half your degree come from the school. Grad students naturally met that benchmark but someone who has went to 3 schools in 3 years is not going to graduate with a 4 year degree. Smoot had to sit out the Snow Bowl due to progress towards his degree, seems that isn't a thing anymore.
Yeah, it's screwed up and not sustainable for the sport.
Did he make the Oregon trip or is he still in BR like some are reporting?
He's in BR. He is home
So you?re saying LSU is going to land him when it?s all said and done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Miami still in play, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck3124
That is my guess based on him staying in BR an extra day and blowing off Oregon. It only makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck3124
yeah but LSU is prepared to spend 60MM. Hell, they are at around 50MM nowQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7