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11-29-2025, 10:37 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

Not at all. I was under the impression Baker was being retained though. Aranda would be a great hire and great PR for us. I will say, while OM is in turmoil, we do not need to throw ourselves into turmoil.

I’ve heard a lot of different things out of Baton Rouge. The last thing I heard last night was that Lane wanted to a clean slate. I know he is going to try to bring Pete with him, but I do not even see that being a possibility.
11-29-2025, 10:38 AM
Pancho

Pete ain't leaving unless the family info we have is totally false.
11-29-2025, 10:38 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

What if I told you Dak was the one fronting Shapen?s NIL deal..

Clean out your DM?s bro.
11-29-2025, 10:38 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

What if I told you Dak was the one fronting Shapen?s NIL deal..

So, Dak could write a check to keep our offensive starters?
11-29-2025, 10:39 AM
Pancho

maybe dak can write a check for an entire OL and DL
11-29-2025, 10:41 AM
confucius say

Baker would have way better options than us. Pipe dream. Don't pass on somebody good waiting on Baker.
Same for aranda.
11-29-2025, 10:47 AM
TrapGame

If Clemson beats South Carolina then I expect Beamer to be fired.

I'd take South Carolina's DC. Hell, see if Beamer wants to run special teams and be asst. head coach.
11-29-2025, 10:52 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Nothing has really changed in the last 14 hours. I was told last night that Selmon and Lebby met for a couple of hours after the game to go over things and will meet again either today or tomorrow to further discuss the plan moving forward.

There is a group of boosters that believe they can get Mullen. I do not believe that to be true based on someone talked to last night in regards to Dan. But that is where I was getting my comment about, ?I would not be floored if we moved off Lebby.? Because if we do it, then we have an agreement with Dan.

Now do I think that will happen, no. I have pretty good sourcing when it comes to Dan and I do not see him moving until Cannon graduates. There may be a world where he could play at a prep school for a year or two, I know this was discussed when he was at Lake Oconee. I know a lot of people have pointed to the money thing at UNLV, but if they truly were in a bind they could get him paid. They would probably have to call Lorenzo or Frank Fertitta but that would get it done in about 10 seconds.

Is this the Madison boosters?

Bringing Dan back would be a terrible move.
11-29-2025, 10:53 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

If Clemson beats South Carolina then I expect Beamer to be fired.

I'd take South Carolina's DC. Hell, see if Beamer wants to run special teams and be asst. head coach.

I'd take Beamer as ST coach. He has ties to MSU and Oklahoma so may have ties with Selmon.
11-29-2025, 10:55 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Is this the Madison boosters?

Bringing Dan back would be a terrible move.

The Madison boys time is over. There are some new money guys that have sold some business over the last 18 months or so that have made some serious coin. One is a former player. It?s not Campbell at Tech money, but a nice chunk.

I?ll say this; our big money guys like Lenny the guy and think he is a heckuva offensive coach. Now it?s pairing him with a real deal DC and talent evaluator. Up to Lebby if he wants to take the offer and try to prove he has what it takes as a HC. Which I believe he does.
11-29-2025, 10:55 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd take Beamer as ST coach. He has ties to MSU and Oklahoma so may have ties with Selmon.

He's Selmon's best friend. They go way back.
11-29-2025, 10:56 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd take Beamer as ST coach. He has ties to MSU and Oklahoma so may have ties with Selmon.

Beamer is actually Selmon?s best friend; not Lebby as some love to say
11-29-2025, 10:56 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Clean out your DM?s bro.

Done
11-29-2025, 10:57 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by Pancho

maybe dak can write a check for an entire OL and DL

Fletcher is gonna be the one taking care of DL.
11-29-2025, 11:45 AM
BuckyIsAB****

He has been told there has to be changes. He dont want to change them. We will see
11-29-2025, 11:56 AM
bulldawg28

If Auburn doesn't hire DJ Durkin hire him as DC and if Lebby struggles next year promote him to be our HC.
11-29-2025, 12:05 PM
Brobi-wan

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

If Auburn doesn't hire DJ Durkin hire him as DC and if Lebby struggles next year promote him to be our HC.

I have seen this episode before. I don’t want a remake.
11-29-2025, 12:30 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He has been told there has to be changes. He dont want to change them. We will see

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go
11-29-2025, 12:40 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I have seen this episode before. I don’t want a remake.

No, you haven't seen this at State. DJ Durkin is a legitimate coach.
11-29-2025, 12:44 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

No, you haven't seen this at State. DJ Durkin is a legitimate coach.

He went 10-15 (5-13) at Maryland and literally killed one of his players...
11-29-2025, 12:51 PM
Brobi-wan

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go

Now this I agree with.
11-29-2025, 12:55 PM
Saltydog

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.
11-29-2025, 01:01 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

No question about this. There is a wave of extreme pessimism, and even worse - apathy - reverberating through our fanbase right now. It's as bad as it's ever been, and a Dan Mullen return would be a huge shot in the arm. We desperately need it.

Even the fans who don't remember him as fondly as most of us will probably be able to convince themselves that Dan + Taylor = some fun few years ahead of us.
11-29-2025, 01:03 PM
Quaoarsking

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.
11-29-2025, 01:10 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.
11-29-2025, 01:12 PM
Thick

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

Didn?t AJ?s dad tell Dan that $250k would put AJ in maroon & white? Dan chuckled and said ?that?s LT money.?
11-29-2025, 01:16 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

I think he could make it worse actually. He doesn't like to kiss anyone's ass which is why he was a bad recruiter. And you have to kiss more ass than ever before. You can't tell recruits 17 you if they don't commit right away. And money is the reason we didn't even pursue AJ Brown like we should have.

Also, he was horrible against top 25 teams at MSU. Our schedule is much more difficult now with 9 SEC games and a mandatory P5 game. When Dan was at his peak MSU was able to build in 4 wins. And as far as winning Egg Bowls- Dan only beat an Ole Miss team with a winning record twice in his career at MSU.
11-29-2025, 01:17 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

The fanbase is already "completely split," or really something even worse - mostly against the current regime and growing apathetic.

At a minimum, the percentage of our fans who enthusiastically support the head coach would shoot way up.
11-29-2025, 01:18 PM
Quaoarsking

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.
11-29-2025, 01:26 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl
11-29-2025, 01:26 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The fanbase is already "completely split," or really something even worse - mostly against the current regime and growing apathetic.

At a minimum, the percentage of our fans who enthusiastically support the head coach would shoot way up.

That's even more reason to NOT hire another coach that would split the fan base even further.
11-29-2025, 01:26 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

Ok so again even more reason to hire someone better than both of them.

You're basically saying that we should hire a turd that is shiny because it's shiny. But the truth is it's a turd. And then what does MSU do when Dan leaves? We have to hire someone. We can't just keep betting him to come back until he dies.
11-29-2025, 01:28 PM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

That’s because he doesn’t have a resume anyone would be interested in.
11-29-2025, 01:29 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

There was Okie Lite HC smoke earlier this year. He just cratered going 1-7 down the stretch with 4 non-competitive games
11-29-2025, 01:29 PM
Todd4State

Mark Stoops getting boat raced. If he wants a DC job here I think he would be perfect.
11-29-2025, 01:30 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

Lebby isn?t going to go into a shell and get ultra conservative with a 3 point lead with 10 minutes to go like Dan has done consistently.
11-29-2025, 01:31 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's even more reason to NOT hire another coach that would split the fan base even further.

It wouldn't split the fanbase even further. Moving from a coach with low (but not 0%) approval to one who would have high (but not 100%) approval is repairing the split, not taking it further.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Ok so again even more reason to hire someone better than both of them.

You're basically saying that we should hire a turd that is shiny because it's shiny. But the truth is it's a turd. And then what does MSU do when Dan leaves? We have to hire someone. We can't just keep betting him to come back until he dies.

I just don't think Dan is a "turd" at all, nor that the vast majority of our fans think he is.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

That's because nobody wants him. If Lebby had been a good in-game coach and we were 8-4 right now, of course he'd be talking to other schools. And I wouldn't be offended by it if it he did.
11-29-2025, 01:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

That’s because he doesn’t have a resume anyone would be interested in.

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.
11-29-2025, 01:32 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by KB21

Lebby isn?t going to go into a shell and get ultra conservative with a 3 point lead with 10 minutes to go like Dan has done consistently.

And that's why we're not bowling, because Lebby wouldn't do that against Texas.

Another great pro-Mullen, anti-Lebby argument that you're making.
11-29-2025, 01:33 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

And 1 more blowout by MAC team, and 1 more loss to a 3-9 team. And 2 more last place FPI finishes in the SEC.

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