Lots of chatter so some may need to brace themselves

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's no different than a business with a mortgage.

Once we pay the stadium off which I believe was a 10 year mortgage/loan whatever their terms were it's paid off and then the money that we were using for the stadium becomes profit.

Yes it's a loss now but it's a short term loss that won't exist forever.

Also, when the seat licenses expire which I believe is in 2028 or 2029 you can believe that the prices for those are going to go up and with the 3k waiting list for seats which will equal more profit.

I mean- we do need a stadium and the old one was outdated and it was inevitable that it was going to be renovated or torn down. And that was going to cost money no matter how we did it. And at least we did it right. I can't ask for anything more than that.

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Yes, good points plus in the future things will be much better. Let’s hope our new baseball hire will be excitement which is always a plus.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

You two do realize there is no such thing as trading cash for equity right? When you use cash to pay liabilities, it does nothing to equity. It cancels out?

And yes we budgeted a $3MM loss this year. If you are paying off a stadium and in the red, you?re still operating at a loss? We you are not generating free cash flow you do not have cash to pay buyouts, etc then have to take funds from other sports that pay the bills.

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If you want to be technical, we traded cash for equity in other assets....

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Originally Posted by basedog

Yes, good points plus in the future things will be much better. Let’s hope our new baseball hire will be excitement which is always a plus.

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The fact that we invested so much in a stadium like ours I think will help us land a coach that we want. Even if we did take a loss on the stadium the fact that we even made a commitment is something most schools wouldn't do. And coaches that are complaining about lack of resources being a major reason why they are looking around have a hard time not noticing the AAA baseball stadium on campus.

If it works out- still in progress- that could net MSU multiple championships potentially as well as more exposure. Even if it's not football or basketball any exposure is good for MSU. And that could be parlayed to other sports such as football and basketball as well.

Who we will hire is a big question mark right now. And absolutely critical to get it right. I'm optimistic about it but we'll see how it plays out. We'll find out in about 3-4 weeks if I had to make an educated guess.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact that we invested so much in a stadium like ours I think will help us land a coach that we want. Even if we did take a loss on the stadium the fact that we even made a commitment is something most schools wouldn't do. And coaches that are complaining about lack of resources being a major reason why they are looking around have a hard time not noticing the AAA baseball stadium on campus.

If it works out- still in progress- that could net MSU multiple championships potentially as well as more exposure. Even if it's not football or basketball any exposure is good for MSU. And that could be parlayed to other sports such as football and basketball as well.

Who we will hire is a big question mark right now. And absolutely critical to get it right. I'm optimistic about it but we'll see how it plays out. We'll find out in about 3-4 weeks if I had to make an educated guess.

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Our stadium has nothing to do with who we're going to hire or who we'll attract. Our fan base has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract. The LFL has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract.

Our job is attractive right now for THREE reasons:

1. It's the most high profile job open.

2. It's in the best conference in college baseball by a mile.

3. And this is the most important, these coaches know we're going to invest rev share and NIL into baseball whereas other schools are not.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

thank you

Its great we have a palace for a stadium- but it is costing us

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But in reality we probably built too small for the actual seating area. When you've got 3000+ on a waiting list that's a lot of money we could be taking in that we aren't. Baseball ticket demand will always be there for MSU more than any other sport.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

But in reality we probably built too small for the actual seating area. When you've got 3000+ on a waiting list that's a lot of money we could be taking in that we aren't. Baseball ticket demand will always be there for MSU more than any other sport.

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We built for the demand at the time. If more people would've opted in for tickets then the stadium would've been bigger.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Seems we will get a P5 HC for baseball. Plus he or they have been to CWS. We shall see. I?m good with ?he or they?.

It?s early and things could change.

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I've heard people saying we are looking to "go modern", but I did not expect us to have a legit candidate using "they" as his pronoun.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We built for the demand at the time. If more people would've opted in for tickets then the stadium would've been bigger.

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Not true. The demand was there. Cohen/Stricklin others were concerned about the empty seats at 50% of the games.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Our stadium has nothing to do with who we're going to hire or who we'll attract. Our fan base has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract. The LFL has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract.

Our job is attractive right now for THREE reasons:

1. It's the most high profile job open.

2. It's in the best conference in college baseball by a mile.

3. And this is the most important, these coaches know we're going to invest rev share and NIL into baseball whereas other schools are not.

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I disagree about the stadium and its impact. It is the most tangible thing that we can point to an outsider as evidence that we will commit to baseball.

There is a big difference between MSU baseball and Oklahoma baseball. Or even Georgia.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I disagree about the stadium and its impact. It is the most tangible thing that we can point to an outsider as evidence that we will commit to baseball.

There is a big difference between MSU baseball and Oklahoma baseball. Or even Georgia.

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I feel our stadium is just first, it does show we are committed to baseball, but its nothing that almost any other school in our league can do or are in the process of doing now. I guess some feel that we are unique and that's a selling point but really don't think coaches think that way.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I disagree about the stadium and its impact. It is the most tangible thing that we can point to an outsider as evidence that we will commit to baseball.

There is a big difference between MSU baseball and Oklahoma baseball. Or even Georgia.

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No there's not. Not in the NIL era. Players want to go where they are going to get paid and where they can have a good experience. That is almost every SEC school.

Coaches want to coach at places that can get players and is committed, from an NIL standpoint, to baseball.


Arkansas has a nice stadium, LSU has a nice stadium, Ole Miss has a nice stadium, Florida has a nice stadium, Tennessee has a nice stadium and is upgrading, South Carolina has a nice stadium, Auburn has a nice stadium. Like half the SEC has nice stadiums. And they can still play in our stadium even they don't come here. Stadiums don't matter. Not in today's age.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No there's not. Not in the NIL era. Players want to go where they are going to get paid and where they can have a good experience. That is almost every SEC school.

Coaches want to coach at places that can get players and is committed, from an NIL standpoint, to baseball.


Arkansas has a nice stadium, LSU has a nice stadium, Ole Miss has a nice stadium, Florida has a nice stadium, Tennessee has a nice stadium and is upgrading, South Carolina has a nice stadium, Auburn has a nice stadium. Like half the SEC has nice stadiums. And they can still play in our stadium even they don't come here. Stadiums don't matter. Not in today's age.

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I?d agree to disagree, but no way to prove it.

Missouri is the one who should capitalize.

Just buy a team.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Not true. The demand was there. Cohen/Stricklin others were concerned about the empty seats at 50% of the games.

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There's empty seats at 50% of the games now. And there was in 2021 as well. We fill that stadium about 4 times a year generally. Opening weekend, SBW, LSU, and [insert random conference opponent having a good year]. And if there's a regional/SR we'll fill it for that.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I?d agree to disagree, but no way to prove it.

Missouri is the one who should capitalize.

Just buy a team.

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But they're not committed. So they can't get the players and can't attract a good coach.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

There's empty seats at 50% of the games now. And there was in 2021 as well. We fill that stadium about 4 times a year generally. Opening weekend, SBW, LSU, and [insert random conference opponent having a good year]. And if there's a regional/SR we'll fill it for that.

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We don't need a larger stadium. We also don't need berms in both sides. Add seats even if they are fancy cushion Chairbacks in one or both of those. Have a portable bleacher system built that can be rolled out for those big events! The right field area where the students gather 100 humans deep is dangerous and there will be a major accident out there eventually when most of the students are drinking and not paying attention to the game! But so be it out there. But general admission folks need seats even if ticket sales are limited!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We don't need a larger stadium. We also don't need berms in both sides. Add seats even if they are fancy cushion Chairbacks in one or both of those. Have a portable bleacher system built that can be rolled out for those big events! The right field area where the students gather 100 humans deep is dangerous and there will be a major accident out there eventually when most of the students are drinking and not paying attention to the game! But so be it out there. But general admission folks need seats even if ticket sales are limited!

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I think the eventual plan will be to leave one of the berms, probably right field, and convert the left field berm into chairbacks, but they will be season ticket chairbacks I doubt we ever see portable bleachers in this stadium. It would kill the 360 concourse. AND WE WILL NEVER HAVE GA CHAIRBACKS. The only thing I could see them doing is extending the upper deck down the lines and putting metal bleachers there.

I've softened my stance on never putting bleachers into the new stadium over the years. I still am not a huge fan of it but also understand we probably need to have it because a lot of people don't want to sit on grass or have to stand the entire time.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

But they're not committed. So they can't get the players and can't attract a good coach.

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I?m saying if thy wanted couldnt they just pay the most in baseball? That would show commitment.

I don?t know their NIL situation.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I?m saying if thy wanted couldnt they just pay the most in baseball? That would show commitment.

I don?t know their NIL situation.

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They have really good NIL in football and basketball......most of their fans don't know they have a baseball team.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They have really good NIL in football and basketball......most of their fans don't know they have a baseball team.

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Yes, they have MLB on both ends of the state not far from them, they know baseball will never be a sport that generates much interest there. They know where to put the funding that they need to use and that's in football and basketball.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I've softened my stance on never putting bleachers into the new stadium over the years. I still am not a huge fan of it but also understand we probably need to have it because a lot of people don't want to sit on grass or have to stand the entire time.

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It's the reason why I haven't been back to a game in a couple of years (that and we've sucked). I'm not driving 3 hours to then have to stand for 3 hours. I'm not mad about it, just means I won't be going to any games in person. I get why we don't put eye sore bleachers out there.

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Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

It's the reason why I haven't been back to a game in a couple of years (that and we've sucked). I'm not driving 3 hours to then have to stand for 3 hours. I'm not mad about it, just means I won't be going to any games in person. I get why we don't put eye sore bleachers out there.

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I?ve never had problems getting chairbacks on stubhub whether it?s me and my son or all seven of us. Seats are easier to come by than people say.

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Originally Posted by Pinto

I?ve never had problems getting chairbacks on stubhub whether it?s me and my son or all seven of us. Seats are easier to come by than people say.

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Right. A lot of fans just get upset because they expect to be able to buy a chair back ticket the Wednesday before SWB without any commitment.

The truth is, outside of SBW, LSU, and UM, you can easily get chair backs on Stubhub or just get GA at the gate and sit wherever you want.

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

Right. A lot of fans just get upset because they expect to be able to buy a chair back ticket the Wednesday before SWB without any commitment.

The truth is, outside of SBW, LSU, and UM, you can easily get chair backs on Stubhub or just get GA at the gate and sit wherever you want.

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This is the truth, we only fill it a couple of times a year and if there is post season baseball.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We don't need a larger stadium. We also don't need berms in both sides. Add seats even if they are fancy cushion Chairbacks in one or both of those. Have a portable bleacher system built that can be rolled out for those big events! The right field area where the students gather 100 humans deep is dangerous and there will be a major accident out there eventually when most of the students are drinking and not paying attention to the game! But so be it out there. But general admission folks need seats even if ticket sales are limited!

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What I would like is the ability to take my family of 4, with two children under 10, to a game and have somewhere to sit without hailing to race to get to the berm. I don't care if it's bleachers and they charge $25/ticket, I could stomach that. There were about 5-6 times where we wanted to go up to a game but said screw it because we didn't want to stand the entire time. We would go more but travel soccer takes up several weekends. I'm sure many families are in the same boat.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

What I would like is the ability to take my family of 4, with two children under 10, to a game and have somewhere to sit without hailing to race to get to the berm. I don't care if it's bleachers and they charge $25/ticket, I could stomach that. There were about 5-6 times where we wanted to go up to a game but said screw it because we didn't want to stand the entire time. We would go more but travel soccer takes up several weekends. I'm sure many families are in the same boat.

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seems like a resonable request.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

What I would like is the ability to take my family of 4, with two children under 10, to a game and have somewhere to sit without hailing to race to get to the berm. I don't care if it's bleachers and they charge $25/ticket, I could stomach that. There were about 5-6 times where we wanted to go up to a game but said screw it because we didn't want to stand the entire time. We would go more but travel soccer takes up several weekends. I'm sure many families are in the same boat.

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Right there with ya!

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No there's not. Not in the NIL era. Players want to go where they are going to get paid and where they can have a good experience. That is almost every SEC school.

Coaches want to coach at places that can get players and is committed, from an NIL standpoint, to baseball.


Arkansas has a nice stadium, LSU has a nice stadium, Ole Miss has a nice stadium, Florida has a nice stadium, Tennessee has a nice stadium and is upgrading, South Carolina has a nice stadium, Auburn has a nice stadium. Like half the SEC has nice stadiums. And they can still play in our stadium even they don't come here. Stadiums don't matter. Not in today's age.

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What I'm saying is by showing commitment to the program we can attract an elite coach and that will help us attract elite players. Baseball players are different. They know that the real money is in MLB. They don't care as much about NIL for the most part unless it's a guy that's like Hunter Hines who is a good college player but really doesn't have great MLB prospects. Even then no one is going to break the bank for a guy like that. NIL is a factor- but for most players having a coach that can develop them and get them to MLB is the biggest thing. It's a chicken and the egg argument. Use the stadium and facilities to attract the elite coaches by showing commitment and then those coaches attract the elite players. Look at our search- many of the candidates are candidates because why? Most of the schools aren't showing a commitment to baseball to them. Like O'Conner. I've heard rumors about Vitello being upset at Tennessee because they have drug their feet on some things and that may eventually lead to him leaving.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Yes, they have MLB on both ends of the state not far from them, they know baseball will never be a sport that generates much interest there. They know where to put the funding that they need to use and that's in football and basketball.

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It's the same situation as Georgia and Florida really. There is enough talent in that state for them to be competitive in the SEC and there is no excuse for them to be where they are right now. Most people that live in Missouri would prefer to go to Mizzou than most places- meaning they should have a monopoly on players in that state. Missouri State and SEMO State are much better programs right now and Mizzou should be ashamed. Their coach right now isn't the answer either.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I think the eventual plan will be to leave one of the berms, probably right field, and convert the left field berm into chairbacks, but they will be season ticket chairbacks I doubt we ever see portable bleachers in this stadium. It would kill the 360 concourse. AND WE WILL NEVER HAVE GA CHAIRBACKS. The only thing I could see them doing is extending the upper deck down the lines and putting metal bleachers there.

I've softened my stance on never putting bleachers into the new stadium over the years. I still am not a huge fan of it but also understand we probably need to have it because a lot of people don't want to sit on grass or have to stand the entire time.

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I think we can make portable bleachers work for the few games we need them. As you know it would only be a few times that we would ever actually really need them. And when we are playing Arkansas State or whoever we can just move them out of the way.

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

Right. A lot of fans just get upset because they expect to be able to buy a chair back ticket the Wednesday before SWB without any commitment.

The truth is, outside of SBW, LSU, and UM, you can easily get chair backs on Stubhub or just get GA at the gate and sit wherever you want.

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Exactly. And I like having that option. And yes, you do have to pay for it but before the new stadium we really didn't have that option at all.

Perspective MSU coaches and players want to see Wins.

Finishing strong on the season and people blasting HR is providing new memories.

Nobody is thinking about Bucket anymore, they see a team blasting HRs and hopefully in the top end of the nation in hitting and making noise in the postseason.

The program is looking good and potentially blasting an ACC champ in a regional is going to make ACC coaches take note.

Getting back to coach talk- looking at things we'd have to pay a small fortune for Bakich, Wes, or Walter unless I missed a clause somewhere.. O'Connor and Wasikowki would be cheap. After those it's an assistant. I can't see this falling below Wasikowski. I think you'd pay more for O'Connor and it would take it to get him to leave. If we have to wait very long to name a guy it's not O'Connor, I'd bet Wasikowski. Bakich is getting a lot of talk right now though, which seems odd with his buyout. Anyway, I'm more concerned with the search than a regional location.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Getting back to coach talk- looking at things we'd have to pay a small fortune for Bakich, Wes, or Walter unless I missed a clause somewhere.. O'Connor and Wasikowki would be cheap. After those it's an assistant. I can't see this falling below Wasikowski. I think you'd pay more for O'Connor and it would take it to get him to leave. If we have to wait very long to name a guy it's not O'Connor, I'd bet Wasikowski. Bakich is getting a lot of talk right now though, which seems odd with his buyout. Anyway, I'm more concerned with the search than a regional location.

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If we go the assistant route, I would rather just keep the guys we have. That's less of a gamble than anybody with no experience as HC

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If we go the assistant route, I would rather just keep the guys we have. That's less of a gamble than anybody with no experience as HC

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State fans have raised enough hell about hiring assistants in everything, I really don't think an assistant will get it. It would be stupid to pass on Was.

Assuming no O'Connor, bakich, or Johnson, Rank these 5 in order of preference:

Walter
Was
Parker
Coggin
Elander

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Assuming no O'Connor, bakich, or Johnson, Rank these 5 in order of preference:

Walter
Was
Parker
Coggin
Elander

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Was
Walter (not a big fan though so I don't care after Was)
Either or on Coggin/Elander
Parker (could move up over those two)

Walter has a big buyout

Coach Kawasaki ........ Would this be a good hire? I have paid much attention to Oregon baseball lately.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Assuming no O'Connor, bakich, or Johnson, Rank these 5 in order of preference:

Walter
Was
Parker
Coggin
Elander

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Was
Walter
Elander
Coggin
Parker

Prediction: 2 out of O'Connor, Bakich, and Wasikowski are coaching at Mississippi State and Texas A&M next year.

The third could go to Missouri if they decide they want to fully commit to being a good baseball program, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Coach Kawasaki ........ Would this be a good hire? I have paid much attention to Oregon baseball lately.

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Yes it would. I agree with what Aaron Fitt said about it a couple of days ago- it would be similar to LSU hiring Johnson from Arizona.

He has Oregon as basically a lock as a National Seed at this point. Has taken Oregon to Super Regionals the last two years and has gone to a retinal every year he has been there. They have a very real chance to go to Omaha and they have gradually gotten better every year he has been there.

Was an assistant at Florida under Andy Lopez so he is familiar with SEC baseball. And has coached all over the country meaning he has connections that can be valuable in recruiting and the portal potentially.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Prediction: 2 out of O'Connor, Bakich, and Wasikowski are coaching at Mississippi State and Texas A&M next year.

The third could go to Missouri if they decide they want to fully commit to being a good baseball program, but I doubt it.

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Mizzu ain’t gonna go there.

Admittedly, I've been an "O'Connor or Bust" guy since the day he fired Lemonis, but either Bakich or Wasikowski is acceptable if O'Connor doesn't work out. All 3 of those coaches have consistently won in the regular season, not just a random Cinderella run in the tournament or anything.