Then why are we ranked so high in recruiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Then why are we ranked so high in recruiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But they have more than 4 bars. Like we all love Starkville, but it's because we're Mississippi State fans. Would you like it if you were a 18-22 year old who had no attachment to Starkville? That's what Mississippi State has to figure out. And not just athletically, we have to figure that out as a University. How do we expand our reach to get people to campus? How do we expand our footprint to Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville, Charleston, etc.? Because that's how you start changing the perception. And that's what we need. A national perception change. Ole Miss has been able to do that and is capitalizing off of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Recruiting HS and recruiting portal are 2 different animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Then why are we ranked so high in recruiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Well Harmon and the Parker brothers being ranked so high and all from MS definitely helped us this cycle. Also, Mershon's brother being ranked high helped. I mean that 4 of our top 6 or 7 that had a prior connection to MS and State. And that the end of the day, we're in the SEC. You're going to get some players solely based on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
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Originally Posted by Coach34
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Have we historically been high or is it just this year that we have connections?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Under Lemonis we have not been this high. And still may not in the final rankings. Some of those kids could bypass and go to the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Like for example, we were ranked really high with Austin Riley in his class and Blaze Jordan in his. Once they opted for the draft, the ranking fell. Same when we had Austin Hendrick and James Wood committed. And those guys never even took an official to campus. They committed at a camp.
Perfect Game rankings are metric and how much you spend on your kid going to their showcasesQuote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
I saw a kid go from a perfect game 7.5 to perfect game 9.5 in 15 months with nearly the same metrics but had attend 8 showcases
That?s been the thing that has gotten Lemonis the most / recruiting too many 5 o?clock players and not enough 7 o?clock guys (dirtbags)
If there is another ranking you?d rather use I?m open to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
I?m just trying to judge this accurately.
I think once we get rid of Lemonis and start winning again, we will recruit even better.
and I'm of the mind that I dont think it's a coincidence that State and Mississippi started struggling once NIL permeated college sports. We can still put together good teams- but it's harder now than it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
This is just such a bad take/excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
A kid from Miami may not want to live in Starkville but there are plenty of country boys that can play ball that would crawl on glass to play in Starkville. Hell, the best catcher in California just signed with MSU.
I'm sorry you didn't have in friends in Starkville when you were in school and had to drive to Delta State to get laid. And I'm sorry that Starkvegasdawg hates Starkville. But y'all are spewing true BS.
Hilarious. I had many friends at State with quite a few of them on this board- that didnt make Starkville any more fun. Drinking beer and watching BJ Wallace throw darts has its moments- but it's just not what I would call an awesome time. Or sitting around talking drinking beer at a townhouse party with Freebird playing. Or shooting pool and drinking beer at The Landing. Thats just not exciting for alot of college age people. Having to drive to Columbus for a decent time sucked. Starkville is what it isQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Baseball America also ranks Mississippi State high. They have Mississippi State 6th in 2025 and currently 9th in 2026.
Starkville has changed a lot since the early 90s. But I have to admit, all those things you mentioned sound pretty damn good to me. Especially when you throw in some of the best looking women at any college in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Big difference between saying players won't come here to play in Starkville, and watching each season base running mistakes and everything else that can be ironed out.
Let's host some regionals, how about it?
Those seem reasonable and realistic. I think I would lean a little more toward Bischel but would probably be ok with any of them. Whatever it takes to get a change implemented. And as far as Godwin, I would not give him the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yep. We are dead last in the SEC in fielding. Base running is a good barometer of a well coached team. And not having roles set by now is atrocious. He's using SEC games as auditions. These things should have been settled weeks ago. And no excuse not to grab a legit starter out of the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
All of this. When you are losing games on the margins like Mississippi State has this season, all of these aspects play a role. Fielding. Base running. Strategic decisions. When you keep losing close games like they have this season, you have to look at what you are doing on the margins. Because it isn't a talent issue. Saturday's LSU game is the only noncompetitive game this team has played this year. All of the other losses are by 4 runs or less, and the first 7 losses were by a combined 15 runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Players will have bad days from time to time. A player like Dylan Cupp will unexpectedly boot a ball or make a bad throw every once in a while. It's the nature of the game. A player may make a base running mistake by being overly aggressive from time to time. However, when it becomes a trend that continues to get you beat, you have to look at coaching and what they are focusing on in practice. When you see things like a pitcher not covering first on a ground ball that is hit between first and second, it makes you wonder what they are doing in PFP practice. We have the types of bats a team needs in the lineup. We have at least 6 hitters, if not 7, who should hit double digit HRs this year and have high slugs. So, when these hitters are consistently getting fooled by spin, it really makes me wonder what we are doing in practice to improve pitch and spin recognition. Are we setting the juggs machine to 95 plus and just hitting fastballs all the time?
My concern with Bischel is that he seems to rely too much on playing small ball, and I don't think that style has a chance in hell of working in the SEC against teams like Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama who are coaching their hitters to mash the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
And that's what I'm trying to get at with my point since I think you called me out for hating Starkville, even though I give a good amount to NIL and have a damn condo in Starkville so I'm paying those wonderful property taxes. For us, that does sound fun. And it sounded fun when we were 18 as well. What I'm saying is that we knew about Starkville. We're from Mississippi. Our expectations were set. If you were like me, by the time you were a Freshman at Mississippi State you had been on campus and in Starkville, give or take, 100 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
What I'm saying is that we have to grow our brand. We can't keep counting on people from Clarksdale to come to Mississippi State, go back home to Clarksdale after graduation, and spread the message of Mississippi State far and wide. We have to start recruiting kids from Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville, Charleston, etc. and have them go back after graduation to spread the message. Starkville's problem is one thing PERCEPTION. Is it going to be the greatest college town? Absolutely not. Space wise we are limited with how many spots we can have in the Cotton District unless some of the apartment complexes are torn down. But it can be looked at in more of an Oxford light if you spread the message. We have never attempted to do that. We're too worried about in state students. Ole Miss has a better brand than us because they embraced out of state. Not because Oxford is just that much better than Starkville.
That is probably correct unless you have three Pico Kohns, a CWS caliber Will Bednar and a Landon Sims.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
And that's why you interview him because I'm sure that's the first question that will be asked of him. How does your style translate to a league that favors the long ball?Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
His Cincinnati team also isn't very good this year after getting into the top 25 early on. However, one of the things this team is lacking right now is a swagger/arrogance. That's something that, with the exception of a handful of players, just hasn't been there over the past four seasons. Bischel is a guy that has the kind of swagger/arrogance that we need.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yea he and his teams generally have an arrogance about them. I mean go back to the 19 Regional and their dugout is chirping at Small the entire time. They also play loose, which we DO NOT right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Ole Miss has simply talked up Oxford while simultaneously talking down about Starkville and people at MSU and Starkville did nothing about it for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
But they've spread that message to Dallas, Austin, Atlanta, Nashville, Charleston, etc. And they've done it for 50+ years. That's the difference. If that message just stays in MS, then no one cares. But because it has spread to Highland Park, University Park, Buckhead, Johns Creek, Greenhills, Sylvan Park, Kiawah Island, and Isle of Palms it is believed as gospel. These wealthy people want to send their kids to "The Harvard of The South". Not Starkpatch. It's all about perception. We've just now started to try and fight that perception. Mostly thanks to Parker Wiseman and Lynn Spruill. They've stepped up and pushed Starkville into the 21st century, despite the objections of Mr. Alcohol is Evil himself Roy Perkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Who cares? We aren't going to draw the same type of people that Ole Miss draws (thank goodness). And this thread is about MSU baseball. I promise you Starkville doesn't hinder us from finding 34 dudes to play baseball. Lemonis is signing top high school classes and top portal classes. Recruiting talent is not his problem. He is average at 50 other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I know what the thread is about, I started it. Recruiting Talent is his problem though. Over half our bullpen is a bunch of mental midgets who crap themselves any time they are put into a high leverage situation. Not to mention the fact that we left 29 people on base this weekend. Mental Toughness is part of talent and we have very little of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Dude, that has literally nothing to do with Starkville. It has way more to do with his evaluations and laziness on the recruiting trail.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm aware. I'm getting back on topic. The Starkville conversation is a whole other entity, which I conveniently started a new thread for. We're back to the hot board and why Lemonis can't recruit talent. You have said Recruiting talent isn't his problem and I refuted that because we have no mental toughness outside of about 5 players.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I miss the recent years, such as Logan Tanner waving bye after throwing someone out. Only fun when they can back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The teams in the past convinced they cannot lose when wearing a certain uni combo, and they didn't.
No need to debate.
We have recruiting rankings.
Yep. Whether it was Tanner waving goodbye to a runner, Sims staring down Bianco and yelling Our State at him, Ethan Small yelling at EVERY DUGOUT, Bednar with the Horns Down, or the voodoo magic in those all black uniforms we played with so much cockiness and confidence that others thought it was arrogance but it was not. They were just letting you know they were better than you. We do not have any players like that anymore. Our players look terrified in big moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Our average recruiting ranking over the last 4 years is between 15-20 depending on what site you use. Do we look like a top 15-20 team at the moment? Safe to say recruiting rankings might be a bit wrong. Some of that is coaching, but some of it is bad evals by our staff and the people evaluating the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
That's a culture issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I agree we are not well coached and not taking advantage of talent . That is why the Lemonis era is about to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This debate is about can we get recruits to Starkville. We have and are set to again.
Our overall problem has more to do with the athletic department making bad hires and bad decisions and being kind of all around crappy. They just aren?t good.
It?s not Starkville fault they set up a. Huge cowbell and don?t anchor it.
It?s not Starkville fault the app stops working on big game day.
Stuff like that. They just do things poorly.
Out of all our gameday failures....this really goes above and beyondQuote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Yeah. Think we're going to have to let go a bit of this premise we have a bevy of talented players.
Upgrade the coaching and the players. Start with the coach now; whatever detrimental impact that will have short term, let's go ahead and get it behind us.
Mississippi State recruiting rankings according to Baseball America:
2025 - 5th
2024 - 18th
2023 - 7th
2022 - 9th
2021 - 10th
Talent isn't and hasn't been our issue.
Ole Miss and Oxford have done a wonderful job marketing themselves. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. We (State/Starkville) can learn a lot from them and we should.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve