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While there would be some transition, I disagree that hiring a good, experienced G5 DC would in any way be the same OJT we currently have with a guy that has never organized a defensive game plan or called a defense before in game.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
A good G5 coordinator will be perfectly fine. We can swing as hard as we want, but a good G5 coordinator is a massive upgrade from what we have currently and he will have more connections than Hutzler. That’s not even debatable, because Hutzler has already proven he has zero of those that amount to anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We'll see. He's the sole reason we got Hardy and Mitchell and he's the sole reason we're on 12-15 portal guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
He can be on them all he wants. We've heard we were "on" good players every offseason, yet here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Get them in the boat and signed and he will get a little slack. Hope he's an elite salesman.
Here's what I saw this season:
Both Lebbo and Hutz were bad to start the season because they were trying to do too much in their gameplans. That led to constant mistakes by the players because it was too much on them which led to breakdowns and missed assignments.
The 2nd half of the season we were better on both sides of the ball. Lebbo had to stream back his gameplans for the Rookie QB and Hutzler had guys in better positions because they had a better understanding of what to do. The 2nd half of the season you could really see the lack of talent on defense. Hutz's EB gameplan was great. They executed it well. We simply lacked talent. Look at the last TD by Mississippi- we bring pressure on a big 3rd down and go man. Mississippi's big TE just outmuscles our safety for the TD catch. Their player was better than ours.
Get ready for Hutz to stay around. Hopefully he and Lebbo have learned their 1st year lessons on trying to do too much. It's not about what the coach knows- it's what the players know (a lesson I had to learn in my 20's. Once I learned that I became a much better coach)
That's a pretty good summary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I totally agree. Not only Lebby stream back his offense, he had to start developing MVB much earlier than he had planned due to the injury of Sharpen. Hutz did about the best he could with what little talent we had on defense. It made no difference what formation we lined up in we were over matched pretty much at every position on every Sec game.
This is why I don't think Hutz needs to be replaced. But, once message boards decide that a coach needs to be fired, it never changes. Lack of talent was our biggest problem. I'm for seeing if it can be fixed by this coaching staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Yea I’m not going to call you a liar because I think you’re a good poster but whoever is telling you that is in fact a liar. Also, we have 3 SEC level defensive players on our roster and 1 just hit the portal. The chance of him landing 12-15 SEC level players is about the same as me hitting the powerball. Hutzler is complete a*s cheeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
What does Hutzler have to do with current talent? I'm being serious. Heck he brought in one of the SEC level guys. Look I get the angst, I really do. I'm pissed like everyone else. And look, if within the first 30-45 days Coleman doesn't have us on those guys then I'm in agreeance with you. I just want to see if what I've been told will come into fruition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
+1. Not to mention, we got much better with play calling on the defensive side as the year went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
YEP.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This sounds to me like it's a situation where Lebby wants to keep Hutzler but the boosters are going to meet with Selmon and try to force Hutzler out. And I bet Lebby sells them on the plan that StarVegasSteve is describing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
If it plays out that way it's fine with me. And I sincerely hope it does. It's just hard to believe it will actually work out that way because it seems like whatever MSU wants to do something happens and we end up with the short end of the stick. MSU desperately needs something to go right for once in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I also wouldn't be surprised to see some changes on the offensive side of the ball given the coaching changes at Oklahoma and North Carolina. That could very well mean that Joe Jon Finley and Randy Clements end up here. And I think that would improve the offense some.
Kennedy is another one that there are strong rumors he will be moving on so that Jeff can bring in Randy Clements. Still no clue why Clements didn't come with him when he got the job but that's neither here nor there. I don't know where we'd stick Joe Jon on staff. Probably an analyst role and to solidify Jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think you may be right on this one. There is a lot of BS being put out right now in attempts to calm the fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Yea Hardy just flipped to Carolina. You’ve been lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Maybe so. But we did get Mitchell. I have a bad feeling that Hutzler is telling them one thing and David Turner is telling them another. Because it seems like they all love Hutzler but none of them ever talk about Turner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Isn't Hutzler Turner's boss. Why hasn't he fired his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Because Hutzler nor Lebby hired Turner. He was a booster hire. So our good ole boys have now unsuccessfully hired a former baseball coach to be AD, promoted a DC to HC, hired an OL coach, hired a DL coach, and two liaisons who were advising the HC. Their miss rate is honestly incredible. Like I have been saying, the quicker we get those boosters out and get nee blood in, we will be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
But hey, we got Bump out of the deal! Lol. I think Bump is doing a good job btw but no where close to out weighing the disasters elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Turner is just inexcusable. He made his name off Cox and Boyd who committed to Croom, almost cost us Jones (Thank God for Hev on that), and had Mullen not let him go to A&M-we wouldn?t have been able to get Simmons even with the money we gave him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
We need DLQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Correct. Chad figured out REAL QUICK that he was going to be an outsider due to having no connections on the staff so he did what coaches in those positions do, start recruiting your ass off. Turner did the exact opposite because the dumbasses who hired him told him they'd protect him. He couldn't recruit last time he was here either. Tony just saved his ass all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I know most on here know it but I don't think a lot fans know how important Tony Hughes was for a lot of years for our recruiting. Not the only one but kept locked down several great players and kept some others from sliding away last minuteQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
In the worse way. The rest of the class is shaping up and for all the talk about Kennedy, his recruiting has held up today.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Shhhh, not suppose to say out loud we paid anyone before NIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
The amount of recruits that Tony saved in the last two days would shock everyone. And it's guys people consider "True Maroon" bulldogs. And guess what.....we paid most of them. Tony was a hell of a bagman. Him and ole Melvin Smith were two of the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Yup. They both came off as genuinely good guys (I assume because they are) and avoided coming off as sleazy even though they were doing a job that tended to attract sleazier coaches. I sort of know second hand about Melvin Smith being pretty upset about a recruit he lost that ended up in bad legal trouble. Didn't think the other school really gave him a fair shot at playing time or tried to keep him in school when it was obvious what was going to happen if he went back to the environment he came from. I assume that genuinely caring about what happens to the recruits even if you lose them probably comes through on the recruiting trail.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't know Melvin nearly as well as Tony but I can tell you Tony wasn't just a good man on the surface. He truly cared for the players and their families.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Tony and Melvin were both good guys, but both knew you had to get in the weeds sometimes and play dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
No doubt. I've known Tony for a long long time. When he was at USM was when I first meet him. Good family too!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If they only knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I know Tony extremely well. My grandfather gave Tony his first couple of coaching jobs. He comes to familyQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Christmas. He was the best recruiter we have ever had here. He has gotten older and probably lost his fastball, but he is one of the best human beings to ever walk this earth.
Melvin's a car salesman. You know he is full of shit but you like him anyway. Tony is just a genuine dude that understands things have to be done to get the desired result.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You telling me we couldn't get Charlie Strong to come here? He is an off the field analyst at either UGA or Bama right now.
Charlie Strong doesn't want to call plays anymore. He's not at Bama or UGA. He's probably done coaching. Charlie is in his mid 60s and has been in coaching for over 40 years. Charlie also doesn't like the state of MS. Got a bad taste in his mouth in his one year at OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Can't buy themQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
With David Turner leading that room it will be very hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops