Since Leach passed

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

When? Fired coaches club doesn?t count

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says who? Sure it does

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Disagree. Leech is 100% a Hall of Fame Coach that was kind of out of our league, except he was just cookie enough to actually take the job.

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Leach was not a lazy hire- Cohen viewed Leach is an outside the box lets see what he does in the SEC hire. He wanted to be smarter than everybody.

Wellllllll- you're not smarter John.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

He would have gone 2-10 this year at State.

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Who knows. Maybe?

What we do know, is he has never gone 2-10 at state and we are historically bad regardless of who people want to blame. Blaming people that aren't alive is pretty low. More than Leach's lack of talent went into this abysmal season. Lazy ass excuse if you ask me, instead of pointing at the real problem of 1st time AD, HC and DC. Noone has a clue what the hell they are doing. I can't make that same statement about Leach, I know that much.

We will not be any better next year or the year after, so buckle up.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This dude has got some amazing issues to work out. Statistics and facts aren?t gonna have much impact on him.

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Yeah, the only issue I have to figure out is how to ignore mindless fans that have a simple mind and quick to blame one of the only legit Head Coaches we have had in the past 8 years for the 2-10 season our shit staff just put down.

You guys are going to be blaming Leach for a long time I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach was not a lazy hire- Cohen viewed Leach is an outside the box lets see what he does in the SEC hire. He wanted to be smarter than everybody.

Wellllllll- you're not smarter John.

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Cohen never talks to him if Leach hadn't called Jackie. Cohen fell into that one because he was almost out of options at that point of the search. He botched it.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Right. Not because you dont know and are talking out your ass. He got hurt from getting destroyed all year so they play another QB who is too short to see but can run around. While you are complaining he will break another all time NCAA record so again, dont forget to take down your I hate Will rogers and his entire family for no reason poster

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Dude got benched because he was mediocre and their season was over so they turned to the future.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

says who? Sure it does

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The last 3 years of noodle arm’s career his offenses never scored more than 21 ppg against power 4/5 competition. It’s everyone else’s fault. Always has been.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Yeah, the only issue I have to figure out is how to ignore mindless fans that have a simple mind and quick to blame one of the only legit Head Coaches we have had in the past 8 years for the 2-10 season our shit staff just put down.

You guys are going to be blaming Leach for a long time I'm afraid.

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I don't know what you need to do, bourbon, weed, Zen Buddhism or long walks in the country. But you need to find some peace. As for what is wrong here it's like in almost everything when it goes bad. There is never one thing that is the issue when things go south so Cohen being forced in the AD seat, the Joe Mo hire, the Leach hire and tragic passing, the booster staff 17 up and countless other acts of dumbassery have landed us where we sit today. Where we sit is a total shitshow that is not going to be fixed easily or quickly as some seem to think. This is a long haul fix that will take time and cash, lots of cash and patience, to even become competitive again.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I don't know what you need to do, bourbon, weed, Zen Buddhism or long walks in the country. But you need to find some peace. As for what is wrong here it's like in almost everything when it goes bad. There is never one thing that is the issue when things go south so Cohen being forced in the AD seat, the Joe Mo hire, the Leach hire and tragic passing, the booster staff 17 up and countless other acts of dumbassery have landed us where we sit today. Where we sit is a total shitshow that is not going to be fixed easily or quickly as some seem to think. This is a long haul fix that will take time and cash, lots of cash and patience, to even become competitive again.

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I partake in my fair share of each. I have peace, I like debating people that have different opinions on a sports forum. Especially, when they try to blame a national treasure like Mike Leach. Had he lived, god rest his soul, we would not be in this shitty situation. Noodle arm would have won the heisman and we would be in the CFP hosting.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Yeah, the only issue I have to figure out is how to ignore mindless fans that have a simple mind and quick to blame one of the only legit Head Coaches we have had in the past 8 years for the 2-10 season our shit staff just put down.

You guys are going to be blaming Leach for a long time I'm afraid.

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No one has blamed Leach for ALL the issues, but low talent/recruiting well he earned that one.

I like Leach as a person just don't like his approach to football.

Even though he didn't mean too, Leach did accomplish to divide the fanbase like no other at a time that we don't need it. And Leach supporters will not let it go. Stop threads like "since Leach passed" or "if Leach were here" No one else is starting threads like "this is all Leach's fault"

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

No one has blamed Leach for ALL the issues, but low talent/recruiting well he earned that one.

I like Leach as a person just don't like his approach to football.

Even though he didn't mean too, Leach did accomplish to divide the fanbase like no other at a time that we don't need it. And Leach supporters will not let it go. Stop threads like "since Leach passed" or "if Leach were here" No one else is starting threads like "this is all Leach's fault"

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I can agree with that, but they are quick to hop in and blame Leach even though they may not have started the thread. I chimed in when I saw the "Leach destroyed recruiting" as if our head coaching hires since his passing did not impact it one bit. Our depth was an issue this year, we had a handful of folks transfer out since the death. Could they have helped? who knows, but preaching it like that is a matter of fact is not right. Just give your opinion and move on. There is no right or wrong answer to why we are historically bad. The only right answer is that we are historically bad and it starts with the AD hire.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Cohen never talks to him if Leach hadn't called Jackie. Cohen fell into that one because he was almost out of options at that point of the search. He botched it.

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Didn't Benko have a big role in that , in reaching out to Coach Leach

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Didn't Benko have a big role in that , in reaching out to Coach Leach

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Leach contacted us.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

Could they have helped? who knows, but preaching it like that is a matter of fact is not right.

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Considering those defensive players from Leach's last full recruiting class can't get on the field at the likes of Southern Miss, Troy, and a horrendous MSU defense that went 2-10 as Sophomores with 24 months of college coaching and resources, I feel it's fair to say that is not an opinion anymore but a quite clear and objective fact based on playing time, stats, and production. But keep on saying it... as long as you believe it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

says who? Sure it does

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Thats like blaming water for being wet dude

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Thats like blaming water for being wet dude

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Good luck tomorrow. I know Nelson will have a good plan to attack Tupelo?s run game. I have a feeling Nelson will be back in college game before too long and I hope it?s with us.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Considering those defensive players from Leach's last full recruiting class can't get on the field at the likes of Southern Miss, Troy, and a horrendous MSU defense that went 2-10 as Sophomores with 24 months of college coaching and resources, I feel it's fair to say that is not an opinion anymore but a quite clear and objective fact based on playing time, stats, and production. But keep on saying it... as long as you believe it.

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Yeah it is pretty clear. ******* recruits did pretty good after he left too. If people don't like Leach attacks, stop the Leach threads. Let him RIP for goodness sakes. There are many reasons we are where we are and Leach is part of it as are AD, Pres, ZA, etc but Leach is part of it.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Considering those defensive players from Leach's last full recruiting class can't get on the field at the likes of Southern Miss, Troy, and a horrendous MSU defense that went 2-10 as Sophomores with 24 months of college coaching and resources, I feel it's fair to say that is not an opinion anymore but a quite clear and objective fact based on playing time, stats, and production. But keep on saying it... as long as you believe it.

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You're trying to hard brother. I get it. You hate Leach, move on.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

You're trying to hard brother. I get it. You hate Leach, move on.

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This is the argument of a 5 year old. I provide you facts and you throw a temper tantrum and say I hate someone because it is the only reply you can make. Im not letting you off that easy. I have said multiple times just in this thread that I appreciate everything Leach has done for us and he was a good coach for us. He did us a great service cleaning up the program after Moorhead and I will forever be grateful for him pushing the program back in the right direction. However he also had issues recruiting, was lazy on the defensive side, and it showed clear as day this year. Both can be and both are true.

17 you for trying to spin it like I hate Leach just because you got embarrassed with facts on a pointless thread and cant come up with anything but just had to have the last word.

As always, RIP to the pirate

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

This is the argument of a 5 year old. I provide you facts and you throw a temper tantrum and say I hate someone because it is the only reply you can make. Im not letting you off that easy. I have said multiple times just in this thread that I appreciate everything Leach has done for us and he was a good coach for us. He did us a great service cleaning up the program after Moorhead and I will forever be grateful for him pushing the program back in the right direction. However he also had issues recruiting, was lazy on the defensive side, and it showed clear as day this year. Both can be and both are true.

17 you for trying to spin it like I hate Leach just because you got embarrassed with facts on a pointless thread and cant come up with anything but just had to have the last word.

As always, RIP to the pirate

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Got embarrassed? You cherry picked a few stats from a handful of players and stood on the hill with a flag in your hand like you did something. 17 off loser.

Glad you showed the Pirate some respect, for once.