Excitement Level for Football on a 1-10?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Investing in men?s basketball is very smart and we have done that very well. We waste a ton of money on women?s basketball and that should change dramatically. We need every ounce of budget we have and losing the type of money we do on women?s basketball costs us in football and men?s basketball. If we cut the amount of losses in revenue in half for women?s basketball over the past decade we would have been able to fund about a big chunk of the south end zone enclosure that needs to happen without asking a donor for a dime.

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I'm going to call BS on this one. Women's basketball lost $5m last year. Cut that in half, at $2.5 million a year gives you $25m in a decade. The north end zone cost $75m a decade ago (yes it's been that long now). You are easy looking at $125m for a similar product today. Maybe $150m. And guess what, cutting that $2.5m from wbb, while playing in a premier conference will put you back in the bottom of the league and probably take you right back to losing $5m a year when fans quit caring again. So in the end you save nothing.

Arguing for approaches like this is being pennywise, but pound foolish. Unless you eliminate programs (which we can't) you have to generate more revenue not cut the expenses. We have a bunch of poor mouth fans who complain about how expensive everything is when we have the cheapest tickets and donation requirements in the league. You want to run with the big boys then you have to pony up like the big boys. Football wants more money - then you better be ready to fork over $10k a year in donations to be eligible to even buy them like my UGA friends do. Not skyboxes - regular season tickets. And not the best seats either. Want a good tailgate spot and parking pass. Be ready to donate another $5k a year. Want a LFL spot. Pony the F up. We don't have the poorest fanbase in the SEC, we have the cheapest fanbase in the SEC and always have. We CARRIED OVER "lifetime" seats from the Dude for $5000 donations in the 1980s!!! Decisions like that are reason we can't compete.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

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Men's basketball has always been invested at State even before the NIL . Our teams were winning on and off the court. They were participating in the NIL before it was a legal thing lol. Those players were driving the best vehicles on campus.

8. The roster on O is as good as it'll get. I have low expectations for the other side.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I'm going to call BS on this one. Women's basketball lost $5m last year. Cut that in half, at $2.5 million a year gives you $25m in a decade. The north end zone cost $75m a decade ago (yes it's been that long now). You are easy looking at $125m for a similar product today. Maybe $150m. And guess what, cutting that $2.5m from wbb, while playing in a premier conference will put you back in the bottom of the league and probably take you right back to losing $5m a year when fans quit caring again. So in the end you save nothing.

Arguing for approaches like this is being pennywise, but pound foolish. Unless you eliminate programs (which we can't) you have to generate more revenue not cut the expenses. We have a bunch of poor mouth fans who complain about how expensive everything is when we have the cheapest tickets and donation requirements in the league. You want to run with the big boys then you have to pony up like the big boys. Football wants more money - then you better be ready to fork over $10k a year in donations to be eligible to even buy them like my UGA friends do. Not skyboxes - regular season tickets. And not the best seats either. Want a good tailgate spot and parking pass. Be ready to donate another $5k a year. Want a LFL spot. Pony the F up. We don't have the poorest fanbase in the SEC, we have the cheapest fanbase in the SEC and always have. We CARRIED OVER "lifetime" seats from the Dude for $5000 donations in the 1980s!!! Decisions like that are reason we can't compete.

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I’m fine with spending the money we do on women’s basketball if the school would charge extra for tickets, as you say. But they are not going to do that and people aren’t going to pay for it if they did. We wouldn’t lose revenue if we cut women’s basketball funding because we don’t make any money on it to start with because we charge almost nothing to go to the games. As far as baseball goes, we are on the same page. The LFL spots should cost triple what they currently cost. It’s the most coveted spot on campus and gets to be purchased for peanuts.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I’m fine with spending the money we do on women’s basketball if the school would charge extra for tickets, as you say. But they are not going to do that and people aren’t going to pay for it if they did. We wouldn’t lose revenue if we cut women’s basketball funding because we don’t make any money on it to start with because we charge almost nothing to go to the games. As far as baseball goes, we are on the same page. The LFL spots should cost triple what they currently cost. It’s the most coveted spot on campus and gets to be purchased for peanuts.

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Women's Basketball is a great example. We have General Admission seating. Season Tickets are $99 a seat. I believe single games are $10. We had 18 home games last year. That's $5.50 a game for a season ticket holder. That is pathetically low. I pay $85 for my local high school football season tickets - for 6 games. Now, I don't feel like women's basketball should be a high dollar ticket - but our prices should not be on par with local high schools. That's terrible when you are losing $5m a year.

And it doesn't take much. UGA requires a minimum $50 WBB donation per seat just to get on the season ticket sales list.
Then you they break their cost down by location, Reserved seating: $65 per seat and Courtside: $150 per seat. Then they have "Club" access buffet concessions for $1000 a seat.
So, they don't make a whole lot more on most seats, but the best seats are bumped and access to concessions are the premiums. And the concessions aren't fancy - it's typical, dogs, burgers, sodas, ice cream and popcorn that you would be hard pressed to eat $200 of over 18 games - but it's fast and easy and worth the added cost especially during a big game.

So say MSU has 2,000 women' season ticket holders. Average attendance was 5,109 over 18 games. Right now that's a $198k in season tickets and $559,620 in GA game sales for a total of $757,620
In the UGA Model, lets project 300 courtside seats and 1,700 reserved seats, and 300 "Club" passes", and bump single game tickets to $15.
That takes you to $555,500 in season ticket revenue, $839,430 in GA game sales, for a total of $1,394,930.

There are a lot of assumptions in the above - but it shows how small changes can make impacts without having to gouge people.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Women's Basketball is a great example. We have General Admission seating. Season Tickets are $99 a seat. I believe single games are $10. We had 18 home games last year. That's $5.50 a game for a season ticket holder. That is pathetically low. I pay $85 for my local high school football season tickets - for 6 games. Now, I don't feel like women's basketball should be a high dollar ticket - but our prices should not be on par with local high schools. That's terrible when you are losing $5m a year.

And it doesn't take much. UGA requires a minimum $50 WBB donation per seat just to get on the season ticket sales list.
Then you they break their cost down by location, Reserved seating: $65 per seat and Courtside: $150 per seat. Then they have "Club" access buffet concessions for $1000 a seat.
So, they don't make a whole lot more on most seats, but the best seats are bumped and access to concessions are the premiums. And the concessions aren't fancy - it's typical, dogs, burgers, sodas, ice cream and popcorn that you would be hard pressed to eat $200 of over 18 games - but it's fast and easy and worth the added cost especially during a big game.

So say MSU has 2,000 women' season ticket holders. Average attendance was 5,109 over 18 games. Right now that's a $198k in season tickets and $559,620 in GA game sales for a total of $757,620
In the UGA Model, lets project 300 courtside seats and 1,700 reserved seats, and 300 "Club" passes", and bump single game tickets to $15.
That takes you to $555,500 in season ticket revenue, $839,430 in GA game sales, for a total of $1,394,930.

There are a lot of assumptions in the above - but it shows how small changes can make impacts without having to gouge people.

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We don’t charge enough for tickets in any sport for sure. Particularly the ones we are good in. I can understand not gouging football prices at the moment because we aren’t selling them at a high rate but if Lebby turns it around the prices need to skyrocket or have some sort of deal where the more money you donate to the BI the cheaper your tickets get. I don’t know how feasible that is but NIL is more important than anything right now. I know they can’t do it in conjunction with the school currently but that is coming right around the corner.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We don’t charge enough for tickets in any sport for sure. Particularly the ones we are good in. I can understand not gouging football prices at the moment because we aren’t selling them at a high rate but if Lebby turns it around the prices need to skyrocket or have some sort of deal where the more money you donate to the BI the cheaper your tickets get. I don’t know how feasible that is but NIL is more important than anything right now. I know they can’t do it in conjunction with the school currently but that is coming right around the corner.

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"Skyrocket", FB season ticket? Have 8 to 12 for over 55 consecutive years and with Bulldog Club seating fees/dues they are much more than the face value on the ticket even for a OOC cupcake type game against an Eastern KY. Bulldog Club dues also pay for all scholarships across all sports and a big % of coaching salaries I am told. From what I am told there are still many good season ticktets available for this year at the current price. Both Bulldog Club dues and NIL donations have their place. I know many normal MSU fans who have already been priced out of college sports. Big screen TV and concessions at home are taking a toll. The catch 22? Win and the place will be full again.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

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That is great news. We should give Jans anything he wants. He is the best coach on campus and the one good thing Cohen did right

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

That is great news. We should give Jans anything he wants. He is the best coach on campus and the one good thing Cohen did right

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They arent the only ones but the Miskellys are basketball royalty. As are the Rula's. Plus a few more. Those guys changed our program from being the worst in the SEC to start the 80's to being a good program by the 90's

and let me give a shout out to Mr Adams old ass. We used to go back and forth alot on the board 20-15 years ago. GulfCoastDawg has done alot too and is maroon to the bone. Getting to know him a little since those days changes some perspective. He has been a great Dawg

Giving Jans the NIL is a no brainer. If Lebby does well he should be ahead of baseball as well because football…..makes more money. I’ll buy a “State is Swag” shirt no matter how ridiculous it looks.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

"Skyrocket", FB season ticket? Have 8 to 12 for over 55 consecutive years and with Bulldog Club seating fees/dues they are much more than the face value on the ticket even for a OOC cupcake type game against an Eastern KY. Bulldog Club dues also pay for all scholarships across all sports and a big % of coaching salaries I am told. From what I am told there are still many good season ticktets available for this year at the current price. Both Bulldog Club dues and NIL donations have their place. I know many normal MSU fans who have already been priced out of college sports. Big screen TV and concessions at home are taking a toll. The catch 22? Win and the place will be full again.

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People have been priced out because they don’t care. They won’t get priced out of baseball tickets, I guarantee you that. We have the cheapest season tickets in the SEC. No other school is pricing out people. We just have a bunch of fans that aren’t committed AT ALL to football and our counterparts don’t.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

People have been priced out because they don’t care. They won’t get priced out of baseball tickets, I guarantee you that. We have the cheapest season tickets in the SEC. No other school is pricing out people. We just have a bunch of fans that aren’t committed AT ALL to football and our counterparts don’t.

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Exactly right. All you have to do is look at the posts on this page. About 10-12 topics are about baseball. It?s also odd that I hear how NIL and the portal have killed any interest in football yet it hasnt in baseball and these same fans are fine with it in that arena. It?s totally ok to pony up for players and cherry pick from other teams when it fits their agenda.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Exactly right. All you have to do is look at the posts on this page. About 10-12 topics are about baseball. It?s also odd that I hear how NIL and the portal have killed any interest in football yet it hasnt in baseball and these same fans are fine with it in that arena. It?s totally ok to pony up for players and cherry pick from other teams when it fits their agenda.

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I don't know any other elitedawgs financial status and who supports which sports through season tickets, NIL, or what, but is the cost of season tickets with Bulldog Club dues comparable for baseball vs football. And BTW, most of these people I know do care, their financial positions or decisions on expenditures has changed. I hope we have an exciting "O" that wins 6 to 8 FB games this year and maybe intere$t picks up fast. And I agree, if you looked at the number of threads and posts on this site right now, you would think that it is still baseball season, rather than kickoff 8/31! Hail State (All sports, but FB pays the bills)!

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Exactly right. All you have to do is look at the posts on this page. About 10-12 topics are about baseball. It?s also odd that I hear how NIL and the portal have killed any interest in football yet it hasnt in baseball and these same fans are fine with it in that arena. It?s totally ok to pony up for players and cherry pick from other teams when it fits their agenda.

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Baseball being good in the past is the worst thing to happen to our football program ever. I grew up sitting on a cooler in right field loving baseball and even playing it in college, but it is not good for the overall health of our athletic department because people just write football off and take the easy sport to support instead of the important one. When it came down to but cutting time for Ole Miss they threw baseball in the trash. We would never do that.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I'm actually about a 8 to 8.5. Which is more than I've been in a few years. That's even though my expectations are low, just hoping for 6-6.
I think it's the expectation of being entertaining offensively.

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I'm at 7.5. This will be a great season overall, not necessary for us though. As long as we can get to 6-6 and don't look clueless/effortless out there it'll be a good year.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I'm at 7.5. This will be a great season overall, not necessary for us though. As long as we can get to 6-6 and don't look clueless/effortless out there it'll be a good year.

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6-6 should always be the floor no matter who is the HC. That's winning the 4 OOC games which are usually cupcakes (And many times not worth the cost of admission) and winning 2 SEC games. If we can't do this we are in big trouble as thats 2 of 8 in the conference and it's not like other teams are not turning over portal rosters, have issues and also have 8 SEC games. Heck, FL could be a dumpster fire with an interim coach when they come to DWS. 7-5 and a great 1st Lebby year and recruiting picks up when they see the new "O" and see us win 7 and be competitive in losses. Hail State!

I think this is the correct take. The Sip is poorer than a lot of other states in the SEC and much less dense population wise too. I can’t afford football and baseball so I pick one. Football was my first love so I attend there.

SEC media days were last week. Our new HC Lebby spoke. I didn't see anything about it on the message board. That tells you a lot about the excitement.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

SEC media days were last week. Our new HC Lebby spoke. I didn't see anything about it on the message board. That tells you a lot about the excitement.

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A lot of people are in wait and see mode and honestly....what are you going to learn at Media Days that most of us, especially the ones that post here, don't already know.

I mean what would we have talked about? Trying to read into the length of his opening statement? Or that he put on a cowboy hat?

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

SEC media days were last week. Our new HC Lebby spoke. I didn't see anything about it on the message board. That tells you a lot about the excitement.

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NIL has people checking out. Even if we were supposed to be good- my level of care wouldnt be any higher. We have 2 starters returning from last year. 1/3 of our roster is new. Most of us cant name any of the players. I know Rogers and Ellington because I coached them, Shapen because he is from here in town, and the kicker because he is the stepson of one of my college teammates. Oh, and Russell on the DL. That's it.

I'm excited college football is about to start and that always makes for a good Saturday. But the fandom aspect is meh and will remain there. It's headed that was for baseball also now as teams including us- are bringing in 1/3 of the roster from other schools.

NIL does not have people checking out. There are seventeen thousand baseball threads on this site and that has NIL and transfers just as much as football does.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

NIL does not have people checking out. There are seventeen thousand baseball threads on this site and that has NIL and transfers just as much as football does.

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Concur, NIL will have little negative impact. CFB will continue to grow. For MSU fans, we've only went into 3-4 seasons since JWS that we thought we were going to do something special. That will probably remain the same. Folks will complain, but won't stop watching and paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

NIL does not have people checking out. There are seventeen thousand baseball threads on this site and that has NIL and transfers just as much as football does.

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That’s more about a fight about Lemon as anything. I classify NIL/Portal as the same thing. The constant shuffling of players from school to school just doesn’t excite me anymore. That’s why I call them by the school they came from. They are becoming nameless

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Originally Posted by Coach34

That?s more about a fight about Lemon as anything. I classify NIL/Portal as the same thing. The constant shuffling of players from school to school just doesn?t excite me anymore. That?s why I call them by the school they came from. They are becoming nameless

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Attendance is not dropping either for baseball. Our fans simply don?t care about football and never have to the extent of our peers. Baseball interest within our fanbase will not drop on the whole.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

A lot of people are in wait and see mode and honestly....what are you going to learn at Media Days that most of us, especially the ones that post here, don't already know.

I mean what would we have talked about? Trying to read into the length of his opening statement? Or that he put on a cowboy hat?

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I've never watched media days. Just pointing it out. Most years there are threads discussing what players are going, what to expect, reactions to the coaches interview, etc.....
This year no one gives a crap.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I've never watched media days. Just pointing it out. Most years there are threads discussing what players are going, what to expect, reactions to the coaches interview, etc.....
This year no one gives a crap.

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I think it's two fold, like I said I think the biggest reason is wait and see mode. A lot of people are still feeling burned because all they heard from the MSU media last year was how we were going to prove everyone wrong and go 8-4. How Barbay was going to taylor his offense to the QB. How we had all this experience coming back on defense.....for the most part, all of that was a lie.

I think another reason is NIL. Like others have said, I'd be willing to bet that the average State fan couldn't name 10 players on our team. If you only support college athletics, then watching the new age of CFB, which is a lot like pro sports, is a turn off.

I am a 5 cuz I figure that'll be how many wins we have. I think Lebby is incredible but the schedule is a pure beast.

As per the idea to "skyrocket" the price of FB (and other tickets), there is a free article on genespage on the Top 10 most expensive colleges to attend a FB game, two tickets, parking fee, 2 beers, and 2 hotdogs. We are the #7 most expensive in the nation according to their figures. (I did think their ticket average price was too high). The article appeared a couple of days ago.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn?t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn?t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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Basketball is certainly the easiest or at least would be most efficient use of NIL. Fewer players per team, and just 2-3 great players can get a team to championship level. With the right coach, anyway.

As far as leaving OM in the dust, neither school has been able to do that to the other. OM had their chance in 2003 but couldn't. We had chances, too, when OM was down. Since Sherrill came to State, neither school has dominated in-state recruiting for more than 2 years in a row.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

As per the idea to "skyrocket" the price of FB (and other tickets), there is a free article on genespage on the Top 10 most expensive colleges to attend a FB game, two tickets, parking fee, 2 beers, and 2 hotdogs. We are the #7 most expensive in the nation according to their figures. (I did think their ticket average price was too high). The article appeared a couple of days ago.

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I have been to every single SEC stadium in the sec and then some. There is a zero % chance that is accurate. I would imagine that is why the article was pulled. We get off extremely cheap comparatively.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I have been to every single SEC stadium in the sec and then some. There is a zero % chance that is accurate. I would imagine that is why the article was pulled. We get off extremely cheap comparatively.

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Concur, from what little i know of ticket prices at other stadiums, we're on the lower end, especially on the secondary market. I'm a longtime season ticket holder, but rarely buys food drink inside the stadium, so i'm not sure where we rank on that. I park for free, which there is plenty of free parking less than a mile's walk, so don't know about that either.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I have been to every single SEC stadium in the sec and then some. There is a zero % chance that is accurate. I would imagine that is why the article was pulled. We get off extremely cheap comparatively.

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I looked back yesterday after my post and you are correct the article must have been pulled. In my post, I did mention that I questioned the price that they used for tickets as they used $170 for two tickets (Heck, after over 5 decades as a season ticket holder, there have been far too many games that I couldn't evengive tickets away!***). I was merely reporting the article as posted on genespage. I did question the ticket costs used and it now appears that it was a poorly researched and presented article. Costs of attending college sports have seldom gone down year to year in FB especially.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Lowest it's ever been. 2.

I can't name 3 players.

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Not only this, but I've followed MSU football since 1968 and I've had my heart broken and expectations shattered too many times to get really excited about another football season. BUT, I hope I'm wrong, and hope does spring eternal!! I've forgotten how not to say "Wait until next year!!"